charismatic quotes and holy laughter

[Baruch]

Mahogony_Snail,

It is too late to tone down the remark about Joyce Meyers. I was being carnal again in driving a point home to you and forgetting again that God has to cause the increase.

I do have a concern for Joyce Meyers as my sister as I do for you as my brother. It is the false teachings that I have a tendency to trumped up and down on in some pitiful attempt to emphasize that truth when God should be enough to open the eyes and ears to those that love Jesus by scriptures alone.

I do note that conversing with you may be dangerous to you because you are one to believe against eternal security. If God decides to open your eyes to the Truth that you are serving not the Lord Jesus Christ, then know that Jesus Christ seeks to save that which was lost and have gone astray as those left behind at the rapture are to go through the great tribulation to be chastened by the Lord to the destruction of the flesh... so that they may be partakers of His holiness as no man can pluck any out of His hand and Jesus will finish what He has started in them to bring them Home to be witnesses of Him to glorify His name and nothiung else in the earth.

 

[MahogonySnail]

See that littloe red word there colored for your mild correction? Just showing how even you can post slip-ups.

The "it" is in reference to the the good gifts, not to the Spirit as His Person.

Your application of those verses are so inappropriate and here is why. Did you receive the Holy Spirit or not? To ask for another spirit to receive is to be witness that God gave you a stone instead in the first place.

Again, we are not asking for another spirit to receive. We ask for the Holy Spirit as Christ said to do. Ask and you shall receive. So what are you afraid of ? God is going to give you a stone when you ask for a fish? God is going to give you another spirit when you ask for the Holy Spirit? You must either believe God is evil, or God is deaf. He is neither. We get what we ask for, the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Mahogony_Snail,

It is too late to tone down the remark about Joyce Meyers. I was being carnal again in driving a point home to you and forgetting again that God has to cause the increase.

I do have a concern for Joyce Meyers as my sister as I do for you as my brother. It is the false teachings that I have a tendency to trumped up and down on in some pitiful attempt to emphasize that truth when God should be enough to open the eyes and ears to those that love Jesus by scriptures alone.

I do note that conversing with you may be dangerous to you because you are one to believe against eternal security. If God decides to open your eyes to the Truth that you are serving not the Lord Jesus Christ, then know that Jesus Christ seeks to save that which was lost and have gone astray as those left behind at the rapture are to go through the great tribulation to be chastened by the Lord to the destruction of the flesh... so that they may be partakers of His holiness as no man can pluck any out of His hand and Jesus will finish what He has started in them to bring them Home to be witnesses of Him to glorify His name and nothiung else in the earth.

Baruch how can you be carnal if the Spirit is dwelling within you?
Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
Perhaps you are being carnal all the time.

By worshipping and glorifying the Holy Spirit, proves you are not listening to Him nor being led by Him to go to the Son.

And in your case, by not worshipping and glorifying the Spirit, proves that you don't believe the Spirit is God. You say God the Spirit lives within you, yet you don't worship or glorify Him as God? You should ask yourself whether you truly believe GOD dwells within you or are you just following your own heart? Given that you believe God who is omnipresent is confined to your body, I would say the latter. The Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, so when we go to the Spirit, we are going to Christ. Or don't you believe that?

No. You said Aliciaforjesus had posted that, not me.. so you cannot say I did it "again". As for your statement.... it is false. If you refer to any spirit outside of you as the Holy Spirit, I am calling that "spirit" an "it" as my faith declares that the only way we will know Him is by Him dwelling in us.

You treat the Spirit as if He is another spirit, simply because you don't understand He doesn't just dwell within you, He is omnipresent, He is God, and He is the Spirit of Christ, He does truly move within a place, like He moved in cloud and pillar of fire for God's people. It is because you don't believe God is omnipresent that is the source of your error.

The Psalmist said of His omnipresence:
Psa 139:7 Where shall I go from Your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from Your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I go up into Heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
Psa 139:9If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the furthest parts of the sea;
To prove He does what He likes, He is not confined to dwelling within believers:

Isa 40:13 Who has directed the Spirit of Jehovah, and what man taught Him counsel?

Again of God's omnipresence:
1Ch 28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off forever.

So every time you have said we or anyone else worship another spirit or are mediums or otherwise, who does indeed exist outside of the body not just in believers, you have offended the Spirit of God.

I do note that conversing with you may be dangerous to you because you are one to believe against eternal security. If God decides to open your eyes to the Truth that you are serving not the Lord Jesus Christ, then know that Jesus Christ seeks to save that which was lost and have gone astray as those left behind at the rapture are to go through the great tribulation to be chastened by the Lord to the destruction of the flesh... so that they may be partakers of His holiness as no man can pluck any out of His hand and Jesus will finish what He has started in them to bring them Home to be witnesses of Him to glorify His name and nothiung else in the earth.

I don't you think you have concern, I think you are a deceiver. You claim I don't serve Jesus Christ, that's a big call for you to make. You aren't Jesus and I don't think you have a clue.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Also there is a difference between the Spirit being within, and upon a person.

God promised to put the Spirit within a person, which means at the centre of their innermost being:
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Yet a careful note of scriptures also shows the Spirit resting upon a person:

1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the Spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

And this is what happend at pentecost, it was the Spirit coming upon them :


Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


And sometimes the Spirit of God even comes upon wicked men:


Num 24:2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him.


Christ as the Son of God was always indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Yet the Spirit did not come upon Him until like a dove at His baptism.

Try and explain how come the Spirit had to come down on Christ like a dove if Christ already had the Spirit being the Son of God?

Jesus said the Spirit would dwell with us and be within us (Eze 36:27 ,John 3:5, John 14:16-17), as spoken of regeneration or being "born again".

Yet Jesus also promised that the Spirit would come upon them, as receiving power for service and His spiritual gifts:

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


There are two extremes of view that are both wrong.
1. There is no such thing as an experience subsequent to salvation. I believe this is your error Baruch.

2. Unless a person is filled or baptized in the Holy Spirit subsequent to salvation, he does not have the Holy Spirit at all.

This is the error of some extreme groups.


We need to understand the difference between within, and upon, in the context of both the old testament and the new. The difference between God's indwelling Spirit and abiding presence as being sons and daughters of God, and the difference between the Spirit resting "upon" and being empowered for service, as they were at Pentecost, and as Christ was at His water baptism.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Baruch you also need to read up on the spirit of antichrist and what it really is. All you are doing is confusing the issue and claiming that the Holy Spirit is another spirit or anti christ spirit. Which is nonsense. The Spirit of Christ cannot also be at the same time an anti christ spirit.


1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

This is referring to the gnostics and others, who believed Jesus did not come in the flesh but came only in a sort of spirit form.

So to prove that I have not received "another spirit" or anti christ spirit when I asked for and received the Spirit of God which I also worship and glorify with the Father and the Son, here now I confess that I believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

It is also the experience of many and myself that they who do receive a subsequent experience of the Spirit, which you claim is anti christ and "another spirit", do not deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This proves that your claims that this is an anti christ spirit are unfounded and false.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I do note that conversing with you may be dangerous to you because you are one to believe against eternal security.

If eternal security is true, then please tell me if you believe this warning in Revelations is only spoken to unbelievers?, or does it say that God can and will take away a person's part out of the book of life? i.e. "any man" whether believer or unbelievers....

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Psa 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the Book of Life, and not be written with the righteous.


Rev 3:5 The one who overcomes, this one will be clothed in white clothing. And I will not blot out his name out of the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Further proof a person can be "unsaved":

Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from Your presence, and take not Your Holy Spirit from me.


If God takes His Spirit away from you or blots your name out of the Book of Life, you aren't going to heaven, therefore you aren't eternally secure. The eternal security doctrine is false, false, false, according to the scriptures both old testament and new. The parts about names being removed from the Book of Life hits that point home hard.

 

[Baruch]

The "it" is in reference to the the good gifts, not to the Spirit as His Person.

That is not how I read it, brother.

Usually when we ask God for His good gift the Spirit He gives it to us. You must be afraid that God won't answer your prayers, that he will give you a stone when you ask for a fish, aren't you more afraid of receiving another spirit than the Holy Spirit?

You posted good gift in the singular and right afterward said the Spirit. Then you went on to expound on that point about the gift of the Spirit in the same paragraph by referring to those verses that talked about asking for the Holy Spirit as in when asking for a fish, did God give you a stone instead. Don't try to save face on this one by lying, brother. You even went on in this last reply on confirming that the gift of the Spirit was to be asked for so you did made a slip up. I am not condemning you for it. I know you did not mean to. Just saying... you can make the same oversight as well... so back off of AliciaforJesus, all right? She has referred to the Spirit as a He and Him and so forth more often enough for you to know she does not see the Spirit as an "it".

Don't think that by accusing me of doing it and say.. you were talking to Aliciaforjesus when the post is directed to me is going to slip by either. You need to own up and stop tryinmg to save face.

Again, we are not asking for another spirit to receive. We ask for the Holy Spirit as Christ said to do. Ask and you shall receive. So what are you afraid of ? God is going to give you a stone when you ask for a fish? God is going to give you another spirit when you ask for the Holy Spirit? You must either believe God is evil, or God is deaf. He is neither. We get what we ask for, the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus also said that when He is come He will dwell in us and abide in us forever. So this asking for the gift of the Spirit is a one time deal and it happens at salvation. If you bothered to notice in reference to the fish and stone part of asking for the gift of the Spirit, it mentioned knocking at the door in coming To God the Father. That door is Jesus, but you missed that so you can preach your supernatural experience as something every believer must have or they are dead. That is like saying that faith in Jesus Christ is not enough, and no believer can stay resting in Him because they are not complete.

Baruch how can you be carnal if the Spirit is dwelling within you?
Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
Perhaps you are being carnal all the time.

I can see why you need to save face, brother. Which is more carnal... confessing you have sinned or saying you have not sinned?

And in your case, by not worshipping and glorifying the Spirit, proves that you don't believe the Spirit is God. You say God the Spirit lives within you, yet you don't worship or glorify Him as God?

Keep on ignoring His words, brother. As it is, your house has been broken through by a thief and you have been falling for this other spirit. I keep on giving you verses and you keep on ignoring about the drink of the One Spirit as in one baptism, one hope of your calling.. one Lord.. one Spirit.. and a warning about preaching another spirit to receive. We are to be witnesses of Jesus Christ as the inner Holy Spirit seeks to do as well.

You should ask yourself whether you truly believe GOD dwells within you or are you just following your own heart?

Isn't that what you are doing by following your heart? If this feels good, then it must be the Holy Spirit? Tell me how you can tell the difference between a seducing spirit then when it comes into the worship place.

Given that you believe God who is omnipresent is confined to your body, I would say the latter.

God the Father and God the Son are also omnipresent. But because there are many anti-christ in the world, believers will know the Holy Spirit as promised b y Him dwelling in us.

The Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, so when we go to the Spirit, we are going to Christ. Or don't you believe that?

The Spirit did not die on the cross. Jesus did. The Son is our first love. All invitations points to the Son as it is given as a commandment of His invitation: John 14:6 as the ONLY way to the Father.

You treat the Spirit as if He is another spirit, simply because you don't understand He doesn't just dwell within you, He is omnipresent, He is God, and He is the Spirit of Christ, He does truly move within a place, like He moved in cloud and pillar of fire for God's people. It is because you don't believe God is omnipresent that is the source of your error.

So is God the Father and God the Son. He has to just dwell within us if we are ever to discern from the spirit of the anti-christ which is in the world. You really think that God would have believers test the spirits that are outside of them as the spirit of the anti-christ if the Holy Spirit going to be floating around out there too?

The Psalmist said of His omnipresence:
Psa 139:7 Where shall I go from Your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from Your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I go up into Heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
Psa 139:9If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the furthest parts of the sea;
To prove He does what He likes, He is not confined to dwelling within believers:

Isa 40:13 Who has directed the Spirit of Jehovah, and what man taught Him counsel?

Again of God's omnipresence:
1Ch 28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off forever.

So every time you have said we or anyone else worship another spirit or are mediums or otherwise, who does indeed exist outside of the body not just in believers, you have offended the Spirit of God.

Are you implying that God the Father and God the Son are not omnipresent as well as if only the Spirit of God is?

I don't you think you have concern, I think you are a deceiver. You claim I don't serve Jesus Christ, that's a big call for you to make. You aren't Jesus and I don't think you have a clue.

For someone trying to save face on two fronts... that is a big call to make. I never said I was Jesus. You keep saying that this other spirit to receive is the Holy Spirit. scriptures says that once you have received Him.. that is it by coming to and believing in Jesus Christ.

Signs and wonders are what you would testify of and the means of them is by seeking another spirit to receive, calling that spirit the Holy Spirit when "it" is NOT.

Believers are reminded of the truth of the Gospel when we first believed and have received the anointing. They are exhorted to continue to abide in Him in the face of many anti-christs which is already in the world.

As it is... you are not hearing His Words, and thus you will not hear mine. Yoiu have forgotten your first love as your spotlight and focus and the standard by which you judge others by is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Withdrawing from you, brother... to admonish you.

 

[MahogonySnail]

You posted good gift in the singular and right afterward said the Spirit. Then you went on to expound on that point about the gift of the Spirit in the same paragraph by referring to those verses that talked about asking for the Holy Spirit as in when asking for a fish, did God give you a stone instead. Don't try to save face on this one by lying, brother. You even went on in this last reply on confirming that the gift of the Spirit was to be asked for so you did made a slip up. I am not condemning you for it. I know you did not mean to. Just saying... you can make the same oversight as well... so back off of AliciaforJesus, all right? She has referred to the Spirit as a He and Him and so forth more often enough for you to know she does not see the Spirit as an "it".

I know what I said. If you speak of a gift as a gift, it is an it. The gift of the Spirit is an it. The Spirit Himself is a Person. So you don't have to accuse me of being a liar, because I did not lie. Back off AliciaforJesus? Why don't you back off pentecostals, tongue speakers, the Nicene creed, Billy Graham, Joyce Meyer... et al.

For someone trying to save face on two fronts... that is a big call to make. I never said I was Jesus.

Then if you don't consider yourself to be Jesus, you have no authority to say whether I serve Him or not or claim that I go after "another spirit".

Jesus also said that when He is come He will dwell in us and abide in us forever. So this asking for the gift of the Spirit is a one time deal and it happens at salvation. If you bothered to notice in reference to the fish and stone part of asking for the gift of the Spirit, it mentioned knocking at the door in coming To God the Father. That door is Jesus, but you missed that so you can preach your supernatural experience as something every believer must have or they are dead. That is like saying that faith in Jesus Christ is not enough, and no believer can stay resting in Him because they are not complete.

If it happens at salvation, why did Jesus say to ask for it (the gift) at all? Jesus also said, that His disciples should wait, for the pouring out of the Spirit upon all flesh. (note the difference between the indwelling of the Spirit in the heart via faith). There are two promises in the old testament, one is that God would put a new heart and spirit within us (Ezekial, Jeremiah), and the other that He would pour our His Spirit upon all flesh as per the prophet Joel.

You keep saying that this other spirit to receive is the Holy Spirit. scriptures says that once you have received Him.. that is it by coming to and believing in Jesus Christ.

And I have shown you from scripture, the subsequent experience of Pentecost, the fact that the Spirit descended upon Christ like a dove at his water baptism , and the scriptures which differentiate between the indwelling presence and the coming of the power and gifts upon believers.

I can see why you need to save face, brother. Which is more carnal... confessing you have sinned or saying you have not sinned?

You said,

It is too late to tone down the remark about Joyce Meyers. I was being carnal again

I just think it was strange for you, who has repeatedly said the Spirit dwells within you, and that you are always filled with the Spirit, to be referring to yourself as being carnal, at all. The Scripture I posted says you are in the flesh if the Spirit does not dwell in you. Perhaps you do need a subsequent experience of the power and gifts of the Holy Spirit, and a top up of the infilling of the Spirit.

Keep on ignoring His words, brother. As it is, your house has been broken through by a thief and you have been falling for this other spirit. I keep on giving you verses and you keep on ignoring about the drink of the One Spirit as in one baptism, one hope of your calling.. one Lord.. one Spirit.. and a warning about preaching another spirit to receive. We are to be witnesses of Jesus Christ as the inner Holy Spirit seeks to do as well.

I'm not ignoring His Words, I'm ignoring yours. I have not fallen for another spirit, as evidenced by my declaring that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. In fact if you bothered to research the historical and contextual meaning of Paul's words re: "another spirit" instead of using them as ammunition in your war against Pentecostalism, you might reach different conclusions. Obviously Paul's words are not speaking against tongue speakers or those who believe in the gifts and power of the Spirit, as the church did in His day. I won't claim that all Pentecostals don't preach another Jesus, some do, but then again so do some non-Pentecostal preachers, preach a Jesus contrary to the Jesus of the bible. They may say Jesus died spiritually, not physically, they may say that Jesus was only a good man and moral teacher, but not Saviour, etc, This other spirit and other Jesus is NOT the scripturally sound and biblically based receiving of the gifts and power of the Spirit subsequent to conversion. I'm surprised you haven't claimed yet that when Jesus was water baptised , the Spirit which came upon Him like a dove from Heaven was another spirit?!

Joh 1:32 And John bore record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from Heaven like a dove, and He abode on Him.
Or do you believe that before this time, Jesus did not have the Spirit?

Isn't that what you are doing by following your heart? If this feels good, then it must be the Holy Spirit? Tell me how you can tell the difference between a seducing spirit then when it comes into the worship place.

So you think that satan fills a person with love, joy, and peace? who also declares Jesus is Lord and Saviour? Don't be silly. Seducing spirits do not declare that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour and come in the flesh.

God the Father and God the Son are also omnipresent. But because there are many anti-christ in the world, believers will know the Holy Spirit as promised b y Him dwelling in us.

Are you implying that God the Father and God the Son are not omnipresent as well as if only the Spirit of God is?

The test which scripture gives in 1 John and 1 Cor 12: 3 is not whether or not He is dwelling within, but the confession of Jesus as coming in the flesh and that Jesus is Lord.


Re: omnipresence,
God the Father and Son are omnipresent by the Spirit. The Father is in Heaven, the Son is in heaven too as He ascended. So no, the Son Himself is not omnipresent. The Spirit is, however. If you believe the Son Himself is omnipresent, perhaps it is you who believes that Jesus exists only in spirit form, like the gnostics, and not in a single resurrected and ascended glorified body of flesh?

As it is... you are not hearing His Words, and thus you will not hear mine.

I thought you said before you weren't Jesus? No, it is because I hear His Words, that I do not hear yours which are contrary.

Yoiu have forgotten your first love as your spotlight and focus and the standard by which you judge others by is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You aren't Jesus , far from it, so you can put that judgemental finger away and point it back at yourself for a change perhaps?

Withdrawing from you, brother... to admonish you.

Admonish? You aren't admonishing me, you are doing me a favour because I won't have to read your nonsense anymore.

 

[Thaddaeus]

now you two kiss and make up or I will send both of you the bed without any supper

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

id put it simple we don live off flesh, we are people who are called to walk in spirit and well if God comes and show up y judge this is from him and thats not..
wen he comes all our theology fails cuz we don know how he comes
wen he comes if ppl fall let them fall ,if htey laugh let them
but make sure u follow wat ya put ya down
lol
and tha God

 

[Baruch]

id put it simple we don live off flesh, we are people who are called to walk in spirit and well if God comes and show up y judge this is from him and thats not..
wen he comes all our theology fails cuz we don know how he comes
wen he comes if ppl fall let them fall ,if htey laugh let them
but make sure u follow wat ya put ya down
lol
and tha God

If one walks in the Spirit, then how can the Spirit of God come when He is already in you? You cannot get closer to God than you are already thanks to Jesus Christ.

That is why believers are not to believe every spirit but test them by the scriptures.

Falling down and laughing uncontrollably is hardly a manifestation of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14: 32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.....

1 Corinthians 14: 20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

How then can believers falling down, laughing uncontrollably while others do body twitchings all over the floor escape such judgment as being deemed mad?

Thus this is not a manifestation of the Spirit of God for the Holy Spirt will not go against the Word.