Chosen by God - A study in Election

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pottersclay

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Actually all names were written in the Book of Life since God offers eternal life to all. However those who choose to disobey the Gospel, reject the Gospel, and reject Christ are EXPUNGED (blotted out) of the Book of Life.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my Book. (Exodus 32:33)

So if you were thinking this supports unconditional election, it does not. Unconditional election for salvation is NOT taught in Scripture. It is a purely man-made doctrine.

So now the question is "Why do people love man-made doctrines over Gospel truth?
Isn't election self-righteousness....the same trap the Jews fell into when saying Abraham was are father?
 
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lenna

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You don’t get it

he used some mans view in an attempt to say if we listened to him we would all agree with him. That gets old, and is nonsensical

that Is what I was arguing against, if that hits you the wrong way, well I don’t know what to say.

too many times in here people argue what others teach not what an induvidual really believes, and we never get anywhere because people assume they already knows what the other thi is and 90 percent of the time they are wrong, then we get this heated back and forth which is plain stupid,

but hey, again, if you think that is ok. Then whatever!

you totally misunderstood a post I made today

right. maybe it isn't everyone else.

nothing to see here. best maybe to do what you want within the TOS and so will everyone else

I know all about how people argue here and you are no exception

I think it best I just leave off responding to any of your posts. it's for the best
 

Ahwatukee

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Actually all names were written in the Book of Life since God offers eternal life to all. However those who choose to disobey the Gospel, reject the Gospel, and reject Christ are EXPUNGED (blotted out) of the Book of Life.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my Book. (Exodus 32:33)

So if you were thinking this supports unconditional election, it does not. Unconditional election for salvation is NOT taught in Scripture. It is a purely man-made doctrine.

So now the question is "Why do people love man-made doctrines over Gospel truth?
Not according to scripture:

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"And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain."

And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be.
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Simply put, God wrote all of the names of those He had chosen in the book of life before the world even began. Likewise, there were names that were not written in the book of life before the world began.

There is no scriptures that teach that every persons name was written in the book of life and then blotted out. It would go against what the scripture above is stating, which is that their names were never even written in the book of life.

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"Like them, he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels."
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If we reverse the scripture above, those who do not overcome with their garments remaining soiled, their names can and will be blotted out of the book of life. As believers in Christ, even though we have been chosen for salvation, we still need to have faith. We are saved by grace through faith. Therefore, faith is our part. If we soil our garments by going back into the world and willfully live according to the sinful nature and die in that state, then the Lord can and will blot out those names.

But getting back to the issue, only the names of those whom God chose from before the world began were written in the book of life. Those whom He did not chose, their names were never written in there.

Salvation is by God's Sovereign choice according to His will and not by man's efforts or desires, as Paul made clear. This truth is not man-made, but is according to scripture.
 
"EleventhHour,


[The same double speak..... "come most freely" ... "made willing"]

My friend, It is biblical language...you call it double speak;

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
 

Truth7t7

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Calvinists should give it a rest. TULIP IS TIRESOME.

1. Unconditional election is FALSE DOCTRINE. Among many other passages John 3:16,17 thoroughly refutes it.

2. Since all men are sinners, and Christ died for all, God offers salvation freely to all mankind. That in itself is the strongest proof that Calvinistic unconditional election is not only false, BUT OPPOSES GOD AND CHRIST.

4. Furthermore Israel in the Bible is the strongest evidence that God elects none for salvation or damnation. Israel was in fact THE ELECT NATION of God. Which would mean -- according to Calvinistic logic -- that each and every Israelite should have been elected for salvation. But the history of Israel proves that because of unbelief and rebellion, only a small believing remnant of Jews were saved. Indeed God brought judgment upon Israel for the rejection of Christ.

5. Therefore with all of those Scriptures before Calvinists, it is purely WILFUL BLINDNESS to go on believing the lie that God elects some for salvation and others for damnation.
Pretty Self Explanatory :)

Romans 8:28-30KJV

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Romans 9:20-24KJV
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
 

Nehemiah6

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Isn't election self-righteousness....the same trap the Jews fell into when saying Abraham was are father?
Not exactly. Calvinists are still trusting in the finished work of Christ and imputed righteousness -- justification. The only issue is that they believe that the unsaved (or many of them) have been shut out of God's Kingdom by God. That God actually violates His own Gospel to pick and choose who will be saved and who will not.
 

throughfaith

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Something that you may have failed to consider:
Paul, in Rom 9&11, very strongly amplifies the doctrine of foreordaination and Sovereign choice. This seen as Paul defends God's perfect justice and mercy in doing just that! Choosing and foreordaining.
But what about ignoring 2 thes and completely jumping to another book ,that avoi
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
How does that say " They were chosen to be saved before the foundation of the World " ?
 

throughfaith

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The only ones who believe are those elected and drawn by the Spirit of God.
Thats not what the verse says is it ? Why would it please God to save those that believe him if He was the one that caused them to believe . That would be as weird as causing your wife to love you by hypnotising her and then being pleased by her reaction towards you .
 

throughfaith

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"And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain."

"And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be."

Both of the scriptures above demonstrate that there were names that were not written in the book of life and names that were written in the book of life, said names written and not written too place before the world even began. That's election to salvation. And God is the One who did the choosing. We also have the following teaching God's Sovereign election:

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Not only that, but Rebecca’s children were conceived by one man, our father Isaac. Yet before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad, in order that God’s plan of election might stand, not by works but by Him who calls, she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” So it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Certainly not! For He says to Moses:

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,

and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden.

So much for your claim that "not one verse says we are chosen to be saved."

Jesus also said, "no man comes to the Son except the Father's draws him" This infers that the Father does not draw all people to the Son, only those whom He has chosen. And then there is the following:

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And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
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God did the choosing, which He decided before the world began. Is God unfair? By no means. For as the scriptures state, all have sinned and the reward for sin is death. This means that all human beings are worthy of eternal separation from God in the lake of fire. However, before the world even began, before anyone was born or had done anything good or bad, He chose people from every walk of life throughout all of history to be predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.
Nothing there about " chosen BEFORE the foundation of the world TO BE saved " Why ? Because its Augustines Manichaeism that you believe .
 

throughfaith

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Something that you may have failed to consider:
Paul, in Rom 9&11, very strongly amplifies the doctrine of foreordaination and Sovereign choice. This seen as Paul defends God's perfect justice and mercy in doing just that! Choosing and foreordaining.
This actually made me chuckle. " The doctrine of Foreordaination ' ? And Soverign choice . I'm sure Calvinists are given a handbook with all these in .
 

John146

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Both of the scriptures above demonstrate that there were names that were not written in the book of life and names that were written in the book of life, said names written and not written too place before the world even began. That's election to salvation. And God is the One who did the choosing. We also have the following teaching God's Sovereign election:
There are some whose names are not written in the book of life because they have been blotted out. Simple.
 
Thats not what the verse says is it ? Why would it please God to save those that believe him if He was the one that caused them to believe . That would be as weird as causing your wife to love you by hypnotising her and then being pleased by her reaction towards you .
It pleases God to show mercy to them, that's why.
 
Not exactly. Calvinists are still trusting in the finished work of Christ and imputed righteousness -- justification. The only issue is that they believe that the unsaved (or many of them) have been shut out of God's Kingdom by God. That God actually violates His own Gospel to pick and choose who will be saved and who will not.
No one would be saved unless God elected the multitude to be saved.Ezk34
 
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