Chosen by God - A study in Election
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Never stated that at all.....I have explained a few days ago how I was saved,you chose to ignore it.
I’m still waiting for that scripture....that you were so confident in showing me?
You must read your bible,before God will save you as a sinner.
Man made religion won’t save you.
My saving was all of God,He did all of the work.
God brought me to faith in the Lord Jesus,he has taken up residence in my heart,been there for 28 yrs.i am a child of God.
Don’t need to explain further to you.
I wasn’t saved like you,who supposedly believed in God,then bingo you were saved.
God saves,not man made religion.
You also struggle with believing the fruit of the Spirit?..explain what it means?
Don’t need to explain further to you.
I wasn’t saved like you,who supposedly believed in God,then bingo you were saved.
God saves,not man made religion.
You also struggle with believing the fruit of the Spirit?..explain what it means?
Go ahead and expound two or three paragraphs on your "faithful" theory, and how Paul was NOT a violent murderous co-conspirator with all the other like-minded and similarly unsaved Pharisees who were murdering and destroying Christians. Because he was a willing participant in this sin according to his own confession and testimony.
And tell us again how God looked upon Paul with great admiration due to his prolific righteous acts and deeds and thereby counted him worthy, therefore WAS COMPELLED to REPAY and REWARD Paul with not the gracious gift but the OBLIGATION of salvation!
And tell us again how God looked upon Paul with great admiration due to his prolific righteous acts and deeds and thereby counted him worthy, therefore WAS COMPELLED to REPAY and REWARD Paul with not the gracious gift but the OBLIGATION of salvation!
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Paul persecuted Christians out of ignorance. He did not know Jesus was the way. He was following the OT law. He was faithful in following the OT law, so much so, God chose him because of his faithfulness. God knew that Paul, when revealed the real truth, would so follow Jesus fervently like he did the law. And Paul turned the world upside down for Jesus.
The Pauline Doctrine of Justification Solely by Faith is the original and true doctrine of the New Testament. It supports predestination and election.
God's children's salvation is not something that is going to happen, but was completed somewhere in eternity past when the names of those children were written in the books of life.
There will be no erase marks or new ink. For the book is sealed to be open by the slain lamb at end times.
I am claiming predestination because it tells the story of my salvation, and how God revealed himself to me and drew me to have powerful faith and belief and love for him and his righteousness. I never asked for it. Never persued it, didn't care for it, until he manifested himself in my life and being. Sorry, but predestination is true doctrine.
People make me wonder when they claim they are children of God, but the spirit of truth eludes them.
God's children's salvation is not something that is going to happen, but was completed somewhere in eternity past when the names of those children were written in the books of life.
There will be no erase marks or new ink. For the book is sealed to be open by the slain lamb at end times.
I am claiming predestination because it tells the story of my salvation, and how God revealed himself to me and drew me to have powerful faith and belief and love for him and his righteousness. I never asked for it. Never persued it, didn't care for it, until he manifested himself in my life and being. Sorry, but predestination is true doctrine.
People make me wonder when they claim they are children of God, but the spirit of truth eludes them.
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True. But that DOES NOT translate into "God has made some for eternal Hell". That is plain Calvinistic nonsense.
The wicked choose to be wicked, hence they are consigned to "the day of evil" (the Great White Throne Judgment). But you ignored the Scripture where God tells all the ends of the earth to come to Him and be saved. If the wicked would repent of their wickedness, they would definitely be saved.
The wicked choose to be wicked, hence they are consigned to "the day of evil" (the Great White Throne Judgment). But you ignored the Scripture where God tells all the ends of the earth to come to Him and be saved. If the wicked would repent of their wickedness, they would definitely be saved.
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More nonsense and MISREPRESENTATION of the Word of God.
Just keep in mind that when you mislead others, and cause them to go astray, you sin against God, and you will give account.
1. Justification by grace through faith is for WHOSOEVER will believe on Christ (John 3:16).
2. Predestination and election are for the saints who will not only be justified, but also sanctified, and eventually glorified (Rom 8:29,30)
All men are sinners. Christ died for all. And all may be saved if all will obey the Gospel. And all those who obey the Gospel shall be perfected and glorified. That is the TRUTH about predestination and election.
Just keep in mind that when you mislead others, and cause them to go astray, you sin against God, and you will give account.
1. Justification by grace through faith is for WHOSOEVER will believe on Christ (John 3:16).
2. Predestination and election are for the saints who will not only be justified, but also sanctified, and eventually glorified (Rom 8:29,30)
All men are sinners. Christ died for all. And all may be saved if all will obey the Gospel. And all those who obey the Gospel shall be perfected and glorified. That is the TRUTH about predestination and election.
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The law required death by stoning (Stephen) for anyone trying to get people to follow a false god. Paul was a faithful servant, but ignorant of who Jesus was.
Deuteronomy 13
13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, like Jesus
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Like Paul was doing
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; like Stephen
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
Deuteronomy 13
13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, like Jesus
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Like Paul was doing
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; like Stephen
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
Of course he had a choice. Judas could have chosen to repent of his wickedness and become a genuine faithful apostle. But God and Christ knew in advance that he would not repent, hence his damnation was prophesied long before his betrayal. Jesus chose Judas knowing that he was "a devil". And that was necessary to fulfil every prophecy regarding the crucifixion.
But every evildoer has a choice. God compels no one to sin. So where do you come up with your Calvinistic nonsense?
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (James 1:13,14)
The example of the conversion of Nineveh should be sufficient to confirm that God commands all men everywhere to repent, but when they repent they are saved by grace through faith (justified).
But every evildoer has a choice. God compels no one to sin. So where do you come up with your Calvinistic nonsense?
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (James 1:13,14)
The example of the conversion of Nineveh should be sufficient to confirm that God commands all men everywhere to repent, but when they repent they are saved by grace through faith (justified).
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1) Correction: "whosoever" is not in John 3:16. "everyone believing" is accurate. Which of couse integrates seamlessly with all doctrinal statements pertaining to God's gracious choosing being foreordained.
2) Gods sovereign choice precedes our birth and therefore punctures this persistent illusion of our supposed choice of Him first. We ourselves could never and would never choose Jesus as our Savior. We are dead in trespasses and sins and are destitute of ability.
God FIRSTLY and FREELY chooses to GIVE US LIFE as resurrected souls first of all, faithful perserverance follows as do other GIFTS FROM ABOVE.
As for the question of WHO is The Initiator of these "choices", need we repost John 15:16 over and over again ad infinitum?
2) Gods sovereign choice precedes our birth and therefore punctures this persistent illusion of our supposed choice of Him first. We ourselves could never and would never choose Jesus as our Savior. We are dead in trespasses and sins and are destitute of ability.
God FIRSTLY and FREELY chooses to GIVE US LIFE as resurrected souls first of all, faithful perserverance follows as do other GIFTS FROM ABOVE.
As for the question of WHO is The Initiator of these "choices", need we repost John 15:16 over and over again ad infinitum?
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