Christ is called ”The Law” in Scripture, He supercedes the laws of Moses. This means?

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RedTent said:
We are saying the same thing, and it is coming out differently. You say "swallowed up" I say it is all the same. Someone said it was written in stone, now in our hearts. That is a thought just as the bible expresses it in every verse. Nothing is done away with, Christ is there, the law is there, love is there., the law in our hearts is there, all swallowed up together.

God talks of something made obsolete, but it isn't love, it isn't Christ, it isn't love expressed in the law.
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Hey, JJ beat me to the 'like' button of your post, Hisredtent !

You have such a fast 'draw,' JJ McGraw :D

Indeed, we are, milady, (JJ, you are not one of miladies :D ) , you have it perfecto amundo as I would put it. :)

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gotimeHis, excellent question: Can we love without keeping the law?

Sure, we can, but, we will be punished, scourged, reprimanded, and, rebuked, and, chastened, and, if you're name is 'nilE' or 'ohzone,' or, 'abidingsquirrel,' you will be kicked in the keester to boot ! :D


Oh, I was JUST kidding, guys, you know, you know, you know, I wouldn't poke fun at ya if I didn't love ya :)

But, yeah, yessirree, yessirs and, yesmiladies, (or, ma'ams if I am being congruent :D ) , the Lord leads, His law is rule for your life, His Word and His words, to you, matter ONLY, not 'most,' not 'much,' ONLY. Christ alone. In Christ alone, put ALL your matters . And, just remember His banner
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is Love, He will bring you to the banqueting table one day, just like where David now s(pir)its :)
 
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The law did not pass away...we did. We died with Christ and thus died to the law. We have been risen with Christ, given a new life/nature one that desires to please God. The problem is the struggle with the flesh we experience in these unredeemed/fallen bodies.
 
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whoever wrote Hebrews, whethsr was Paul,
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It can't be Paul, Paul signed all his own works.

2Th 3:17 The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.
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Also, even though we tend to call it the Law of Moses, it was God who gave it and told Moses to write it, so it's the Law of God. Insofar as you believe Christ is God then then the two laws must overlap at very least.
 
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JGPS said:
It can't be Paul, Paul signed all his own works.



Also, even though we tend to call it the Law of Moses, it was God who gave it and told Moses to write it, so it's the Law of God. Insofar as you believe Christ is God then then the two laws must overlap at very least.
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You think a bad memory could have been the 'thorn in his side,' spoken of in 1 Cor. :D
I mean, all that tough, awe-some concentrating to write down the words of Scripture as he was led by God, inspired to do.

"Oops, I forgot to sign Hebrews," Paul was, maybe, saying to himself on his deathbed, his last dying words. Ya never know.... :D
 
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JGPS said:
It can't be Paul, Paul signed all his own works.



Also, even though we tend to call it the Law of Moses, it was God who gave it and told Moses to write it, so it's the Law of God. Insofar as you believe Christ is God then then the two laws must overlap at very least.
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Perhaps Paul didn't want his name on the epistle since his name was a stumbling block to most Jews and yet he felt burdened by the apostasy back to judaism. I have saturated myself with Paul's writings and the book of Hebrews has Paul written all over it. (IMHO of course)
 
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Perhaps Paul didn't want his name on the epistle since his name was a stumbling block to most Jews and yet he felt burdened by the apostasy back to judaism. I have saturated myself with Paul's writings and the book of Hebrews has Paul written all over it. (IMHO of course)
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If God thought it important for us to know who wrote Hebrews, it would say who wrote it in the contents of the book. Whoever wrote it was a Jew, writing to Jews whose knowledge of God was through the scriptures they had, the OT. The author expected the reader to know and understand what God had said in those scriptures. Also, the author was reporting what was God breathed to him, and if God was the actual author you can be sure that God was not speaking against God. Of course it has Paul written all over it! Paul wrote what he felt God was telling him, so did the author of Hebrews.

God is part of the law of Moses, God is eternal. If you read in Hebrews that God says he changed, then you need to look deeper and with eyes more in tune with God. The entire book is about growing in Christ, not in cancelling out God's principles and words. God tells us what to use and how to use it for this growth. When God says cancelled, made obsolete, we need to know what and we can be sure God did not cancel God.
 
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If God thought it important for us to know who wrote Hebrews, it would say who wrote it in the contents of the book. Whoever wrote it was a Jew, writing to Jews whose knowledge of God was through the scriptures they had, the OT. The author expected the reader to know and understand what God had said in those scriptures. Also, the author was reporting what was God breathed to him, and if God was the actual author you can be sure that God was not speaking against God. Of course it has Paul written all over it! Paul wrote what he felt God was telling him, so did the author of Hebrews.

God is part of the law of Moses, God is eternal. If you read in Hebrews that God says he changed, then you need to look deeper and with eyes more in tune with God. The entire book is about growing in Christ, not in cancelling out God's principles and words. God tells us what to use and how to use it for this growth. When God says cancelled, made obsolete, we need to know what and we can be sure God did not cancel God.
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So we can't say Paul did not write Hebrews, correct?
God did replace the levitical pristhood and with it a change in the law...yes God is a dispensational God. Hebrews 7:12 (read all ch. 7&8).
 
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GreenNnice said:
Christ is The Law, whether Scripture says it or not, that's immaterial, don't you think ?

Please, think :D
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"Do not go beyond what is written." (1Co 4:6)

If Scripture doesn't say it, then it's you that is saying it.

And you aren't the word of God.

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True, 'the crowd' could have been speaking of OT of Isaiah, or, somewhere, where Christ is prophesied to change a coming nation.

Christ, indeed, swallowed up the Mosaic Law, He became 'it,' those laws became 'obsolete,' 'no longer needed,' because Christ following of his followers, commanded to 'love Him with all their heart, mind, body, soul,' and, 'love thy neighbor as thyself,' are what ALL the other commandments hinge on. I think this would be easy to see what I'm saying but, maybe, not, nilE.[/QUOTE]
 
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crossnote said:
Perhaps Paul didn't want his name on the epistle since his name was a stumbling block to most Jews and yet he felt burdened by the apostasy back to judaism. I have saturated myself with Paul's writings and the book of Hebrews has Paul written all over it. (IMHO of course)
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I agree it is very much like his works. Paul mentioning that he signed all his own works indicates it's not. I don't think he'd neglect to sign something because he was worried about the waves it might cause, though I understand why you and many others feel it is his writing.
 
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I agree it is very much like his works. Paul mentioning that he signed all his own works indicates it's not. I don't think he'd neglect to sign something because he was worried about the waves it might cause, though I understand why you and many others feel it is his writing.
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Well, in either case I hope we can agree it was the Holy Spirit who is the Ultimate Author.
 
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Well, in either case I hope we can agree it was the Holy Spirit who is the Ultimate Author.
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Certainly :)
 
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Elin said:
"Do not go beyond what is written." (1Co 4:6)

If Scripture doesn't say it, then it's you that is saying it.

And you aren't the word of God.

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True, 'the crowd' could have been speaking of OT of Isaiah, or, somewhere, where Christ is prophesied to change a coming nation.

Christ, indeed, swallowed up the Mosaic Law, He became 'it,' those laws became 'obsolete,' 'no longer needed,' because Christ following of his followers, commanded to 'love Him with all their heart, mind, body, soul,' and, 'love thy neighbor as thyself,' are what ALL the other commandments hinge on. I think this would be easy to see what I'm saying but, maybe, not, nilE.
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No, nilE, let me say it again, so, you can hear me: Christ is The Law ! Everything goes through Him, and, what He says goes. That is not putting any extra words in Scripture, you and ohzone must be cut from the same cloth, she likes to insinuate meanings that aren't there from my thoughts too, LOL.

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Yall make roll in the floor with sadness. The law of Christ is the same as the law of the Spirit. You can't have one without the the other. This is described in Romans.
 
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Where does Jer. 31:33 fit in all this?

Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
 
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No, nilE, let me say it again, so, you can hear me: Christ is The Law ! Everything goes through Him, and, what He says goes. That is not putting any extra words in Scripture, you and ohzone must be cut from the same cloth, she likes to insinuate meanings that aren't there from my thoughts too, LOL.

Tip: Don't do it !!![/QUOTE]
Please provide sound exegesis of where that is stated.
 
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No, nilE, let me say it again, so, you can hear me: Christ is The Law ! Everything goes through Him, and, what He says goes. That is not putting any extra words in Scripture, you and ohzone must be cut from the same cloth, she likes to insinuate meanings that aren't there from my thoughts too, LOL.
Elin said:
"Do not go beyond what is written." (1Co 4:6)

If Scripture doesn't say it, then it's you that is saying it.

And you aren't the word of God.
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Something that applies to work on finding God's meaning of His scripture on law is that lots of the New Testament consists of Paul addressing a problem he was having with the Jews regarding his ministry to the gentiles. Something many of you are overlooking.

That problem was that some of the Jews decided that any convert must become Jewish, accept all their customs. That was the way it was done before. That is the way Ruth became Jewish. The Jews called it the law. Remember in Acts when the apostles worked with the Jews on this question? And most of the book of Galatains is written to address this.

Some bible scholars say that Paul was against the Law of Moses, that he did not believe in the OT as scripture. That is not so at all. Everything Paul said was God breathed. God would not speak against God. We need to understand.
 
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Think of the Ten Commandment law as a traffic light at a busy intersection. Both sinner and saint should obey that traffic light and the saint shouldn't say that he dosen't have to obey that traffic light any more!!!
So brothers and sisters, it's the laws of Moses, written in a book and not God's law, (the traffic light) written on two tables of stone, that we aren't obligated to obey any more, example: circumcision, which was the big issue of the day in order that a Gentile may become a Jew!
 
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GreenNnice said:
What happened when Christ was crucified and the new covenant began?

Some like to think that once Christ died the 10 commandment laws were ”made obsolete,” and, yes, actually, this is true , as Hebrews says this true and His words in Scripture are truth, whoever wrote Hebrews, whethsr was Paul, Apollos, Peter, whoever, God breathed those words into the author's very said words which expired from that authors very said thoughts.
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Uh, Hebrews says the Old Covenant is decaying and waxing old, not the Ten Commandments...

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The New Covenant is predicated on the Law...

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Which Laws? This passage is a direct quote from Jer 31:31-34...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Word for Law in verse 33?

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
 
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Uh, Hebrews says the Old Covenant is decaying and waxing old, not the Ten Commandments...
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The 10 commandments were the law of the covenant. Take away the covenant and you have taken away its laws.
 
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