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I would suggest we must be careful not to make a creature what the eyes see the temporal, into a Creator. Who remains without mother or father with descent... beginning of Spirit life or end of it..
That was the "motive of operation" as the fall of man in the garden using the letter of the law. (death) Thou shall not eat . . The antichrist using Cain as the first example and Abel the first martyr as a apostle "sent one"
Jesus as the Son of man was used for a one time demonstration or outward display to the world. . of him and the Father working together to bring the peace of God. The lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The six days God did work out our salvation .
When the demonstration was over so that men might not look of another man to be used like Peter with Satan in Mathew 16. He left a clear message .That even some did know him after his corrupted flesh Like Thomas as those he called "faithless" .
We know him no more forever more according to what the eyes see the temporal. One promised outward demonstration. . Isaiah 9: and Isaiah 53.It was is all that was promised. We walk by faith after the unseen eternal
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
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Rev 13:8 …the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world
When was the Lamb slain?
Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began
Here we are. God promissed eternal life before the world began yet He begat Jesus "this day".
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world…
Hm!!! Were we before the foundation of the world???
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Jesus was foreordained before the foundation of the world (see 2Sam 7:12, Isa 11 and so on) but was manifested last time (see Jn 1:1-14)
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
When was the kingdom prepared?
Rev 13:8 …the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world
When was the Lamb slain?
Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began
Here we are. God promissed eternal life before the world began yet He begat Jesus "this day".
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world…
Hm!!! Were we before the foundation of the world???
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Jesus was foreordained before the foundation of the world (see 2Sam 7:12, Isa 11 and so on) but was manifested last time (see Jn 1:1-14)
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
When was the kingdom prepared?
You also add your silly non-biblical ideas and try to super impose them to Gods word....
The way you speak is vague and powerless to convince with the less than genuine approach.
When two people read the same verse, and draw separate conclusions.... to claim the other "fails to believe Gods" that is a cop out and a strawman.
They obviously believe God, they just don't believe you understand what He said. 🤦♂️
You seem new at this.... anyone with eyes can see right through your false claims...
The truth is Jesus is God, as Jesus has said.
Do you believe Jesus is good?
The way you speak is vague and powerless to convince with the less than genuine approach.
When two people read the same verse, and draw separate conclusions.... to claim the other "fails to believe Gods" that is a cop out and a strawman.
They obviously believe God, they just don't believe you understand what He said. 🤦♂️
You seem new at this.... anyone with eyes can see right through your false claims...
The truth is Jesus is God, as Jesus has said.
Do you believe Jesus is good?
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No they are talking about you using your learned ideas of man to incorrectly divide the inspired scriptures, paired with your love for word games....
An example of this was in my last post where you claim others who trust God and believe Him but see a different conclusion than you do... "fail to believe God"...
This is called an attack and it is dishonest in nature.
Another is in this post right here but more subtle....
They call your argument and approach together a "shtick", you then play games to act as if they are belitting the scriptures...
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Most people who believe God will disagree with you on this.... for the record....
An example of this was in my last post where you claim others who trust God and believe Him but see a different conclusion than you do... "fail to believe God"...
This is called an attack and it is dishonest in nature.
Another is in this post right here but more subtle....
They call your argument and approach together a "shtick", you then play games to act as if they are belitting the scriptures...
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Most people who believe God will disagree with you on this.... for the record....
It is not a case of disagreeing with me for I point or quote from the word of God. It is also not "seeing different conclusion" because God commanded us to say as it is written not drawing conclusions or assumptions.
I have been attacked, questioned and ridiculed here for quoting or referring to specific texts.
Why?
Because nobody has been able to point to a verse whereby God states that He is Trinity. Yet the term has been widely used although God has clearly forbidden any addition or removal from His Word. The fact is that the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible.
The same happens with the word satan, supposed fallen angel.
So let's be honest, OneOfHis.
Nobody has been able to proof that they know from God what they state.
This is my "fault", isn't?
I pointed to Jn 12:47-50. Why it caused such strong reaction? Because it is so clear that nobody is able to manipulate it..
I have been attacked, questioned and ridiculed here for quoting or referring to specific texts.
Why?
Because nobody has been able to point to a verse whereby God states that He is Trinity. Yet the term has been widely used although God has clearly forbidden any addition or removal from His Word. The fact is that the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible.
The same happens with the word satan, supposed fallen angel.
So let's be honest, OneOfHis.
Nobody has been able to proof that they know from God what they state.
This is my "fault", isn't?
I pointed to Jn 12:47-50. Why it caused such strong reaction? Because it is so clear that nobody is able to manipulate it..
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Every text from the epistles supposedly proving that Jesus is God is false because the writer clearly states at the opening that the Father is our God and that Jesus Christ is our Lord.
Likewise, John clearly states in Re 1:1+6 that Jesus has God; that his God is our God; that his Father is our Father.
So stating that the writers made up their mind as they progresses is erroneous, particularly because they began next epistle/s with the same statement. Even during the epistle like in 1 Cor 8:6 Paul said categorically that "for us there is one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ".
Every text from the epistles supposedly proving that Jesus is God is false because the writer clearly states at the opening that the Father is our God and that Jesus Christ is our Lord.
Likewise, John clearly states in Re 1:1+6 that Jesus has God; that his God is our God; that his Father is our Father.
So stating that the writers made up their mind as they progresses is erroneous, particularly because they began next epistle/s with the same statement. Even during the epistle like in 1 Cor 8:6 Paul said categorically that "for us there is one God, the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ".
I don’t why I’m jumping into your vortex again. Also, I don’t think you have been attacked. If you have it’s because you have been pretty obnoxious.
Since you keep referring to John 12:47-50, you need to state what those verses mean. The burden of proof is on YOU since YOU are the one making the claim that Jesus was only human.
Since you keep referring to John 12:47-50, you need to state what those verses mean. The burden of proof is on YOU since YOU are the one making the claim that Jesus was only human.
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God has clearly stated what He means. Please read Jn 12:47-50.
God doesn't need me or anyone else "to state what those verses mean".
I am pointing and quoting from the Word of God. Therefore it isn't me but God you consider "pretty obnoxious".
It is so funny. You want me to prove that your theology is false. I pointed/quoted Jesus himself, besides many fool-proof texts (see post 1091) stating contrary to your theology.
On the other hand, you neither stated why those texts should be rejected nor shown at least one fool-proof text stating that Jesus was/is/will be God.
God doesn't need me or anyone else "to state what those verses mean".
I am pointing and quoting from the Word of God. Therefore it isn't me but God you consider "pretty obnoxious".
It is so funny. You want me to prove that your theology is false. I pointed/quoted Jesus himself, besides many fool-proof texts (see post 1091) stating contrary to your theology.
On the other hand, you neither stated why those texts should be rejected nor shown at least one fool-proof text stating that Jesus was/is/will be God.
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Jesus like Joshua simply means Savior. It does not necessarily denote one seen but can be used both ways.. .Jehovah The I AM is savior
Because God is not a man as us. The true God remains without form . A God that can only be sought after by a exclusive faith of Christ as it is written . That it in as it is written is the law and the prophets .(sola scriptura) The two witnesses that God has spoken .
Unseen typified as the father. . . a immutable attribute of God . Working with the Son of God another attribute also not seen, represented by the temporal not seen as the Son of man, Jesus.
This was for a one time outward demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the foundation. The 6 days God did work. . . resting as our Sabbath on the 7th.
Because God is not a man as us. The true God remains without form . A God that can only be sought after by a exclusive faith of Christ as it is written . That it in as it is written is the law and the prophets .(sola scriptura) The two witnesses that God has spoken .
Unseen typified as the father. . . a immutable attribute of God . Working with the Son of God another attribute also not seen, represented by the temporal not seen as the Son of man, Jesus.
This was for a one time outward demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the foundation. The 6 days God did work. . . resting as our Sabbath on the 7th.