Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.

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Jason0047

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peacefulbeliever said:
Whether it means "test" or not; He was tempted/tested. Just as we are tempted/tested to test our character - to test whether we will succumb to sin or not.
peirazo - 1. to try whether a thing can be done; to attempt, endeavor 2. to try, make trial of, test: for the purpose of ascertaining his quality, or what he thinks, or how he will behave himself; a. in a good sense; b.in a bad sense, 3. to test one maliciously, craftily to put to the proof his feelings or judgments; 4. to try or test one's faith, virtue, character, by enticement to sin; a. to solicit to sin, to tempt; b. of the temptations of the devil

The only thing different is Jesus did not allow himself to be tempted/tested to the point of "lust" - that is the point where the temptee gives in to the temptation. There is the line drawn and the difference between man and Jesus Christ. Jesus always did the will of the Father. But if he was NEVER actually tempted how can we know that we are also able to endure temptation? - He is our example.

For even hereunto were you called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that we should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 1 Peter 2:21,22
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Although the word "tempt" and "test" can be related at times, there is a difference in meaning between the word "test" and "tempt." In other words, if I said, I was going to test your math skills with a written exam, this would not mean I was trying to tempt you with something. Tempting is when I try to convince you of something (Which is usually a bad thing or temptation).

Hebrews 7:26 says Jesus was Holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners. So no. Jesus never considered in doing evil because He is God and is incapable of considering sin or evil.

As for 1 Peter 2:21-22: Jesus is our example or role model to follow. That does not mean we can actually BE the Holy Son of God by following Him. Jesus is God and man is still man. He is a role model because Jesus is God Almighty in the flesh who was perfect and righteous (Unlike anyone else).
 
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So you lied to make a point that is not true or that you cannot substantiate as true?

Oh, and please let the whole internal and external temptation thing go. It is a moot point because tempted means tested in the verses we discussed.
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This is a joke right..-after you spent how many pages of post trying to convince everyone of this so called truth, and now it is a MOOT point because you cannot dig up scriptures to prove your points HAHAH What a FARCE

And the word temptation means to entice, tempt, try, test and a few other words of like caliber and order. Man you take the cake fore sure!
 
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This is a joke right..-after you spent how many pages of post trying to convince everyone of this truth and now it is a MOOT point because you cannot did up scriptures to prove your points HAHAH What a FARCE

And the word temptation means to entice, tempt, try, test and a few other words of like caliber and order. Man you take the cake fore sure!
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There is no benefit in a man forcing someone to drink water when they could easily drink on their own if they wanted to.

Many blessings be unto you and your family.
 
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Where did I say that?

I may acknowledge there is a possibility that letters can have a numerical value like musical notes can have a numerical value, but I do not actually agree with changing letters to numbers to gain meaning, though. I never believed that. Recognizing Bible numbers properly is when we see a number in the Bible that repeats itself with an attached meaning to that number based on the text or context. In other words, Jesus was tested in the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights be tested. Noah was tested in the Ark for 40 days with rain. Both of these were a type of trial. This is determined by the context of what the Bible actually says. It's not magic nor is wrong to make such a connection anymore than it is wrong to make a connection between words within two Bible verses. The purpose of numbers in the Bible is only to glorify Jesus Christ and or His Word. Numbers only becomes a problem when folks try to see numbers as being special in stuff outside of the Bible and or when they try to use numbers to predict the future,
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Did you say this... Jason ?


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The numbers point to Jesus Christ. The numbers are in your Bible in the form of words. Jesus said abide in Him and abide in His words. Numbers are a part of His Word. You can't rip them out of Scripture and declare they have no meaning or purpose anymore than you can rip out another word in Scripture and say the same thing.
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??? Numbers in the form of words??? Whatever just happened to 40 days of trial ?
 
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Whatever happen to not using numbers for future events ?

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Hate the numbers in God's Word? Here are some mathematical prophecies.


Mathematical Bible Prophecy #1.
Mathematical Bible Prophecy #2.
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?? I don't know Jason, first you say you don't look to numbers for future events ... Then here you are promoting just that... Wild stuff dude...
 
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For the record.....
i don't think Jesus could have sinned
even though he is fully man he is still fully God and God cannot sin so....
if we say that Jesus could have sinned, then aren't we basically saying that God could sin if he chose to?
That may be a problem
 
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And just in case you say these are fulfilled prophecies... One can go to the links in that thread.. and see this.....

- The "70th Week" (the last 7 years) of this prophecy is yet future ... the "Apocalypse."
 
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For the record.....
i don't think Jesus could have sinned
even though he is fully man he is still fully God and God cannot sin so....
if we say that Jesus could have sinned, then aren't we basically saying that God could sin if he chose to?
That may be a problem
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This is understood ... The problem is, He wants to deny a thought process took place for a rebuttal from Jesus with The Word of God, saying this is external or something like that... The questions "tempts" were asked, it wasn't in His will to do so. Does not mean the tempter didn't suggest such things...
 
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This is understood ... The problem is, He wants to deny a thought process took place for a rebuttal from Jesus with The Word of God, saying this is external or something like that... The questions "tempts" were asked, it wasn't in His will to do so. Does not mean the tempter didn't suggest such things...
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Why can't we just keep things simple ?
 
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Did you say this... Jason ?
??? Numbers in the form of words??? Whatever just happened to 40 days of trial ?
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First, continual mudslinging is not the Christian way, my friend. Please learn to let it go and love. Second, you are seeing something that is not there. My reference to numbers in the Bible as being words is in reference to when you read your KJV, the numbers will look like this (In the passage)....

Genesis 5:23 KJV
"And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:" (i.e. The Number 365 is written out as a form of words).

Versus say in the NIV it looks like this:

Genesis 5:23 NIV
"Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years." (i.e. the Number 365 here is written as numbers).
 
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Whatever happen to not using numbers for future events ?

?? I don't know Jason, first you say you don't look to numbers for future events ... Then here you are promoting just that... Wild stuff dude...
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Well, I already explained this to you before, my friend. These are not a future prophecies. They are prophecies that are already fulfiled - Hindsight or looking back. It's not wrong to look at already recognized fulfilled popular prophecies within Christianity (And connect the dots for fulfilled prophecies). It is wrong when you try and divine the future (Which is unknown) with numbers because it is trying to figure out something only God would know.
 
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This is understood ... The problem is, He wants to deny a thought process took place for a rebuttal from Jesus with The Word of God, saying this is external or something like that... The questions "tempts" were asked, it wasn't in His will to do so. Does not mean the tempter didn't suggest such things...
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As I said before, there are thiings that exist that are not mentioned in the Bible; And I have already used a couple of real world examples to explain the concept of internal temptation and external temptation to you and you either rejected them because you don't understand it, or you rejected them for another reason that only God knows about. In either case, you gotta let it go, my friend. I already stated my case, and my repeating it is not going to help you. You are seeing what you want to see because you are upset with me, my friend. But just let it go. It's not worth it. Just agree to disagree and let's learn to move on as Christians in love and forgiveness.
 
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And just in case you say these are fulfilled prophecies... One can go to the links in that thread.. and see this.....

- The "70th Week" (the last 7 years) of this prophecy is yet future ... the "Apocalypse."
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No. They are past fulfilled prophecies.

The 1st Prophecy is the Messiah's Triumphal Entry:
Mathematical Bible Prophecy

The 2nd Prophecy is the Return of Israel as a Nation:
Mathematical Bible Prophecy

I did not see any mention of a future math prophecy within these two articles. Again, you are seeing something that is not there.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Although the word "tempt" and "test" can be related at times, there is a difference in meaning between the word "test" and "tempt." In other words, if I said, I was going to test your math skills with a written exam, this would not mean I was trying to tempt you with something. Tempting is when I try to convince you of something (Which is usually a bad thing or temptation).

Hebrews 7:26 says Jesus was Holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners. So no. Jesus never considered in doing evil because He is God and is incapable of considering sin or evil.

As for 1 Peter 2:21-22: Jesus is our example or role model to follow. That does not mean we can actually BE the Holy Son of God by following Him. Jesus is God and man is still man. He is a role model because Jesus is God Almighty in the flesh who was perfect and righteous (Unlike anyone else).
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This is the definition out of Strong's:

peirazo - 1. to try whether a thing can be done; to attempt, endeavor 2. to try, make trial of, test: for the purpose of ascertaining his quality, or what he thinks, or how he will behave himself; a. in a good sense; b.in a bad sense, 3. to test one maliciously, craftily to put to the proof his feelings or judgments; 4. to try or test one's faith, virtue, character, by enticement to sin; a. to solicit to sin, to tempt; b. of the temptations of the devil

I don't agree with you.
 
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As I said before, there are thiings that exist that are not mentioned in the Bible; And I have already used a couple of real world examples to explain the concept of internal temptation and external temptation to you and you either rejected them because you don't understand it, or you rejected them for another reason that only God knows about. In either case, you gotta let it go, my friend. I already stated my case, and my repeating it is not going to help you. You are seeing what you want to see because you are upset with me, my friend. But just let it go. It's not worth it. Just agree to disagree and let's learn to move on as Christians in love and forgiveness.
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This is the definition out of Strong's:

peirazo - 1. to try whether a thing can be done; to attempt, endeavor 2. to try, make trial of, test: for the purpose of ascertaining his quality, or what he thinks, or how he will behave himself; a. in a good sense; b.in a bad sense, 3. to test one maliciously, craftily to put to the proof his feelings or judgments; 4. to try or test one's faith, virtue, character, by enticement to sin; a. to solicit to sin, to tempt; b. of the temptations of the devil

I don't agree with you.
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I am not expecting you to agree with me. What I know is that Christ is holy, undefiled, separate from sinners. What I know is that Jesus is God and Jesus is good and incapable of sinning or doing wrong. I don't need a Bible, or Strong's Concordance + Lexicon, or KJV Dictionary to tell me Christ is pure like the spotless Passover Lamb. But my Bible does confirm it, though.
 
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The word "incapable" makes it sound like He is a subject, or somehow powerless in an area.
How about we leave it at, "He would never".

His capability is not in doubt, and His character is steadfast.
I'm not sure if you agree with me, but perhaps this is an area where we can come to some unity?
 
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Jason0047 said:
No. They are past fulfilled prophecies.

The 1st Prophecy is the Messiah's Triumphal Entry:
Mathematical Bible Prophecy

The 2nd Prophecy is the Return of Israel as a Nation:
Mathematical Bible Prophecy

I did not see any mention of a future math prophecy within these two articles. Again, you are seeing something that is not there.
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These are a copy of the same prophecy... Click on the links... They're the same,
I was referring to the first one... You posted the second one twice..
Mathematical Bible Prophecy
it says " the 70th week " is a FUTURE event...
 
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