Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

[posthuman]

Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary."​

(Ezekiel 44:9) ​

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Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised.
(1 Corinthians 7:18) ​

what happened between the time of Ezekiel and of Paul??

 

[posthuman]

Lev. 26:
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

Leviticus 12:3 clearly says "flesh" ((as does Genesis 17, Exodus 4, Ezekiel 44, etc))

but if you're OK with spiritualizing the Law here, surely you are not so hypocritical to deny treating sabbath observance the same way? just a question.

 

[Studyman]

how is circumcision ((God's own law/commandment/covenant/ordinance/etc)) become "nothing" ?

As it is written.

Lev. 26:
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

It's easy to understand that cutting skin of the private parts of your body did "Nothing" to change the heart (Mind). It was an outward sign of repentance. The Mainstream church of Paul's time rejected this teaching, and the understanding, as do you.

But Paul understood and taught what the Law and Prophets taught, not what the mainstream preachers of his time taught.

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

 

[Jeremiah74]

ge


I do not hate anyone. Christians are told not to hate, not to return evil for evil.

there are a dozen or so of Paul's letters in the N. T. plenty of material. none of it says keep the law/ Sabbath.

you may not claim to be Hebrew roots, but you are 100% pushing their doctrine ( lies ).

oh, and Paul said he was determined to know nothing but Christ and Him Crucified. if you have issue with this, take it up with him'

you are the one who brought up what Paul knew. sorry you did not like what he himself said.

First off, it's obvious that Paul himself believed in keeping the Law:

Acts 24:14 (NKJV) - "But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.​

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Acts 25:8 - while he answered for himself, "Neither against the Law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all."​

Acts 18:21 - but took leave of them, saying, "I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, Yahweh willing." And he sailed from Ephesus.​

Romans 7:25 - I thank Yahweh--through Yahushua the Messiah our Master! So then, with the mind I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, but with the flesh the Law of sin.​

Paul taught the disciples not to let anyone judge them for observing the Law

Colo 2:16-17 - So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body of the Messiah.​

Paul says that the doers of the Law will be justified and those who break it will be judged.

Romans 2:12 - For as many as have sinned without Law will also perish without Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law 13 (for not the hearers of the Law [are] just in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law will be justified;​

The word that is translated "without Law" here is word #460 which means "not amenable to the Jewish/Mosaic Law". (See Thayers and Strong's lexicon). Paul says that we know His will and approve the things that are excellent when instructed out of the Law.

Romans 2:17 - Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the Law, and make your boast in Yahweh, 18 and know [His] will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the Law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the Law.​

Here he says that when we break the Law, we dishonor Yahweh and blaspheme His name.

Romans 2:21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the Law, do you dishonor Yahweh through breaking the Law? 24 For "the name of Yahweh is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.​

Here Paul twice states that we learn what sin is from the Law. This backs up the statement in 1John 3:4 that Sin is transgression of the Law.

Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the Law [is] the knowledge of sin.​

Romans 7:7 - What shall we say then? [Is] the Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the Law had said, "You shall not covet."​

Here is a key scripture proving that Paul believed that thru faith we do not make the Law void, but rather we establish the Law (To cause or make to stand, #2476).

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.​

Here is another key scripture like the one above proving that Paul did not believe that once we are under grace, that we can continue to sin (break the Law):

Romans 6:15 - What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin [leading] to death, or of obedience [leading] to righteousness?​

Here Paul is equating "the Law" with "the commandment" and stating his opinion of them:

Romans 7:12 - Therefore the Law [is] holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.​

Here is an unpopular statement of Paul's. Many like to believe that the Law is of the flesh. Not true! It's spiritual:

Romans 7:14 - For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.​

Paul delights in the Law of Yahweh

Romans 7:22 - For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man.​

 

[Jeremiah74]

ge


I do not hate anyone. Christians are told not to hate, not to return evil for evil.

there are a dozen or so of Paul's letters in the N. T. plenty of material. none of it says keep the law/ Sabbath.

you may not claim to be Hebrew roots, but you are 100% pushing their doctrine ( lies ).

oh, and Paul said he was determined to know nothing but Christ and Him Crucified. if you have issue with this, take it up with him'

you are the one who brought up what Paul knew. sorry you did not like what he himself said.

Now we will move on to where Paul uses the term "Lawlessness". The word that is translated "Lawlessness" in the following verses is the Greek word "anomia" which carries the following definition:

BDB/Thayers # 458
458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah}
from 459; TDNT - 4:1085,646; n f
AV - iniquity 12, unrighteousness 1, transgress the law + 4060 1,
transgression of the law 1; 15
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness​

Now for a second witness here is the definition of this in the Strong's Hebrew Lexicon:

458. anomia, an-om-ee'-ah; from 459; illegality, i.e. violation of the law or (gen.) wickedness: --- iniquity X transgress (ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Now note that both lexicons it states that both of these words come from the Greek word #459. This word means "To be destitute or in violation of the Mosaic or Jewish Law" (See Thayer's and Strong's Lexicons). Now the word #458 is translated "transgression of the Law" in the King James version of 1john 3:4

1Joh 3:4 (KJV) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Law: for sin is the transgression of the Law.​

Yes, this was written by John but it is surely showing that this word is certainly the definition of sin. For sin is "anomia" (condition of being without the Law or violation of the Law, transgression of the Law)

In these verses he shows that righteousness is the opposite of Lawlessness (#458 in violation of the Law). Therefore if one is keeping the Law, they must walking in righteousness. (Though this is confirmed already by many verses I have already shown.) Please also remember this for later in the study.

Romans 6:19 - I speak in human [terms] because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members [as] slaves of uncleanness, and of Lawlessness [leading] to [more] Lawlessness, so now present your members [as] slaves [of] righteousness for holiness.

2Cor 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with Lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?​

Here again, Paul equates this word (#458) Lawless with SIN.

Romans 4:7 - "Blessed [are those] whose Lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;​

Now here is an example where this word is used when translating the Old Testament.

Hebr 1:9 - You have loved righteousness and hated Lawlessness (#458); Therefore Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You. With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."​

Now this is interesting...here is an example of where the New Testament is quoting from the old testament. (From the Hebrew to the greek). Now what word does this greek word #458 translate from? Let's find out:

Psal 45:6 (KJV) Thy throne, O El', [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is] a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: (From the greek #458) therefore El', thy El', hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.​

So it comes from the Hebrew word reshah (#7562) which means "Wickedness" !! Now how is this word used in other places in scripture? Here we seen an example of a Psalm that makes wickedness the opposite of righteousness. (Just as Paul taught).


Now this study might go on forever and ever proving that the meaning of what Paul meant by "righteousness" was obedience to the Law but lets look at some examples.

Romans 6:16 - Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin [leading] to death, or of obedience [leading] to righteousness?​

Here obedience is equated with righteousness (as defined by the Law)

Romans 10:5 - For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the Law, "The man who does those things shall live by them."​

Here are many other scriptures then where Paul says that we ought to walk in righteousness:

Ephe 5:8 - For you were once darkness, but now [you] [are] light in Yahweh. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to Yahweh. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose [them].
Ephe 6:14 - Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
Phil 1:9 - And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, Phil 1:10 that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of the Messiah, Phil 1:11 being filled with the fruits of righteousness which [are] by Yahushua the Messiah, to the glory and praise of Yahweh.
2Tim 2:22 - Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on Yahweh out of a pure heart. 23 - But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.​

Here is an example where Paul takes another step forward in showing that ALL SCRIPTURE (which must include the Law of Yahweh because there was no written "new testament" at that time) is given by Yahweh, profitable for doctrine, for reproof and instruction in righteousness.

2Tim 3:16 - All Scripture [is] given by inspiration of Yahweh, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,17 that the man of Yahweh may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.​

Now in conclusion I must say that there would have to be very little doubt that according to these verses in which Paul spoke, he certainly upheld the Law as the very definition of righteousness and holiness. And he taught that breaking these commandments were Unrighteousness, Lawlessness, wickedness, and most importantly, SIN.

Therefore we can conclude that whenever Paul speaks of Sin...he most certainly is talking about disobeying the commandments in the Law. How many more scriptures could be added where Paul speaks against sin? This study would certainly be many pages long!

Therefore, we can see that it must have been obvious to Paul as well as quite obvious to his followers that Law obedience was expected. I believe that many of the details of Law observance were worked out in their public meetings as well as in the synagogues (see where James made the decision in Acts 15 that the Gentiles would learn the Law on the synagogues every Sabbath).

In light of all of these scriptures, it is quite clear that breaking Yahweh's law is the very definition of sin. May Yahweh lead us into the the truth and into His Kingdom by His wonderful Spirit which is the word of Yahweh. (John 6:63)

One final quote:

Romans 8:6-7 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it is not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be.​

 

[Jeremiah74]

ge


I do not hate anyone. Christians are told not to hate, not to return evil for evil.

there are a dozen or so of Paul's letters in the N. T. plenty of material. none of it says keep the law/ Sabbath.

you may not claim to be Hebrew roots, but you are 100% pushing their doctrine ( lies ).

oh, and Paul said he was determined to know nothing but Christ and Him Crucified. if you have issue with this, take it up with him'

you are the one who brought up what Paul knew. sorry you did not like what he himself said.

I appreciate not hating, I don't either, This has been such a blessing for me these past few days. You are continuously proving my point.
When someone steps back and read everything going on If they have eyes to see and ears to hear. Your really doing the teaching for me. Thank you so much gb9

 

[posthuman]

As it is written.

Lev. 26:
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

It's easy to understand that cutting skin of the private parts of your body did "Nothing" to change the heart (Mind). It was an outward sign of repentance. The Mainstream church of Paul's time rejected this teaching, and the understanding, as do you.

But Paul understood and taught what the Law and Prophets taught, not what the mainstream preachers of his time taught.

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

uh huh. don't duck the question.

the Law ((God's)) commands literal, physical circumcision.

not anymore.

what happened?

 

[posthuman]

uh huh. don't duck the question.

the Law ((God's)) commands literal, physical circumcision.

not anymore.

what happened?

if your answer is 'it's okay to make void God's command to literally physically circumcise males because it's the heart that matters'
then you are saying, the righteousness of the Law is fulfilled apart from the physical observance of it.

so please either quit deflecting, or apply that equally to sabbath.

ok thnx

 

[Dan_473]

Dan_473, post: 3632223, member: 190874"]

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.




3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.



6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


In my understanding, and a few others on this forum, of the Bible, every scripture contains every other scripture in it. There is no contradiction. His Word flows together like a flowing river.

I won't be drawn into posting one verse to destroy or discredit another as is your custom and the custom of many. I believe the Bible interprets itself, not by placing or impressing man's tradition or thoughts on a scripture, but by comparing God's Word with God's Word so as to seek His Righteousness, not justify our own.

Otherwise you get Babylon, confusion, which in my understanding is the goal of the serpent.

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Which to be sure, God did say.

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But God also said other things which more clearly defines His intent.

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Don't be tricked by the serpent Dan.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

No, I do not post one verse to destroy or discredit another.

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Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct he should show his works done in the gentleness that wisdom brings.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+3&version=NET

 

[Dan_473]

But if you have bitter jealousy and selfishness in your hearts, do not boast and tell lies against the truth. 15 Such wisdom does not come from above but is earthly, natural, demonic. 16 For where there is jealousy and selfishness, there is disorder and every evil practice. 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, accommodating, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial, and not hypocritical. 18 And the fruit that consists of righteousness is planted in peace among those who make peace.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+3&version=NET

 

[Studyman]

Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary."​

(Ezekiel 44:9) ​

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Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. ​

(1 Corinthians 7:18) ​

what happened between the time of Ezekiel and of Paul??

As always, God's Word answers your question, if you would just believe in them.

Ezek. 44:6 And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,
7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves.

9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

The Priesthood was in charge of the Holy things of His Sanctuary. It's in your Bible if you are interested.

But the Priesthood corrupted itself. For this reason Jesus, as the Word, created a New Covenant which "changed" the Priesthood. This is what had changed between Ezekiel and Paul according to the Bible anyway.

As it is written.

Heb. 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, (Levites in charge of the Sanctuary) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb. 7:
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; (Not Levi) of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more Levites, or preachers to filter His Word, or perform "works" for the atonement of sins. No more Levites in charge of the Holy things of God's Sanctuary.

Now Jesus is in charge of the Sanctuary of God. He is both uncircumcised in Flesh, and of Heart.

 

[posthuman]

As always, God's Word answers your question, if you would just believe in them.

Ezek. 44:6 And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,
7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves.

9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

The Priesthood was in charge of the Holy things of His Sanctuary. It's in your Bible if you are interested.

But the Priesthood corrupted itself. For this reason Jesus, as the Word, created a New Covenant which "changed" the Priesthood. This is what had changed between Ezekiel and Paul according to the Bible anyway.

As it is written.

Heb. 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, (Levites in charge of the Sanctuary) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb. 7:
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; (Not Levi) of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more Levites, or preachers to filter His Word, or perform "works" for the atonement of sins. No more Levites in charge of the Holy things of God's Sanctuary.

Now Jesus is in charge of the Sanctuary of God. He is both uncircumcised in Flesh, and of Heart.

Levi has nothing to do with this. wrong covenant.

because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a boy on the sabbath. ​

(John 7:22) ​

literal physical circumcision of the flesh was commanded first to Abraham and then to the sons of Israel in the Law. Genesis 17. Exodus 4. Leviticus 12.

no more. Galatians 5.

what happened?

 

[Studyman]

="Dan_473, post: 3632873, member: 190874"]

But if you have bitter jealousy and selfishness in your hearts, do not boast and tell lies against the truth.

10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

15 Such wisdom does not come from above but is earthly, natural, demonic. 16 For where there is jealousy and selfishness, there is disorder and every evil practice.

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, accommodating, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial, and not hypocritical. 18 And the fruit that consists of righteousness is planted in peace among those who make peace.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[Dan_473]

I believe you are again mistaken in your use of the quoting system. You may wish to press the preview button before you actually post.

 

[Dan_473]

="Dan_473, post: 3632873, member: 190874"]

10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.



3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.



12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

The rain and snow fall from the sky
and do not return,
but instead water the earth
and make it produce and yield crops,
and provide seed for the planter and food for those who must eat.
11 In the same way, the promise that I make
does not return to me, having accomplished nothing.
No, it is realized as I desire
and is fulfilled as I intend.”
12 Indeed you will go out with joy;
you will be led along in peace;
the mountains and hills will give a joyful shout before you,
and all the trees in the field will clap their hands.
13 Evergreens will grow in place of thorn bushes,
firs will grow in place of nettles;
they will be a monument to the Lord,
a permanent reminder that will remain.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah55&version=NET

 

[Studyman]

Levi has nothing to do with this. wrong covenant.

because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a boy on the sabbath. ​

(John 7:22) ​

literal physical circumcision of the flesh was commanded first to Abraham and then to the sons of Israel in the Law. Genesis 17. Exodus 4. Leviticus 12.

no more. Galatians 5.

what happened?

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

 

[posthuman]

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

uh huh.

Genesis 17. Exodus 4. Leviticus 12. Ezekiel 44.
Galatians 5. 1 Corinthians 7.

literal, physical circumcision of the flesh.

you are saying that literal, physical observance of a commandment isn't necessary in some case?

 

[Studyman]

="Dan_473, post: 3632916, member: 190874"]

The rain and snow fall from the sky
and do not return,
but instead water the earth
and make it produce and yield crops,
and provide seed for the planter and food for those who must eat.

1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.

6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

 

[Studyman]

uh huh.

Genesis 17. Exodus 4. Leviticus 12. Ezekiel 44.
Galatians 5. 1 Corinthians 7.

literal, physical circumcision of the flesh.

you are saying that literal, physical observance of a commandment isn't necessary in some case?

I'm saying that your custom of rejecting scriptures which don't promote your religious tradition has already been done by the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of Christ's time and before, and the Christ rejected them for doing this.

So I strive to include EVERY WORD of God in the Examples He graciously had written for my admonition, and not only those which can be used to advance personal religious traditions.

 

[posthuman]

I'm saying that your custom of rejecting scriptures which don't promote your religious tradition has already been done by the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of Christ's time and before, and the Christ rejected them for doing this.

So I strive to include EVERY WORD of God in the Examples He graciously had written for my admonition, and not only those which can be used to advance personal religious traditions.

ok.

so Genesis 17, Exodus 4, Leviticus 12, Ezekiel 44..
Acts 15, 1 Corinthians 7, Galatians 5..

is the righteousness of the commandments accomplished in some case without physical observation of it?