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Hey @Batyah,

I took your questions, did a little modification to them and we all answered them individually it in our bi-weekly quasi-Bible study last night. It worked out really well. It was a great change of pace. Thanks for the idea. Cool thing was that everyone had different answers for the death/resurrection questions. So we decided that was going to be the focus of our next series that we're going to go into.
Evening,
That's great news. I stopped and praised the Father for this. I'm so glad you were able to get something out of the questionnaire that went beyond this 'meet and greet.'
What a great jumping-off point though to begin a bible study series. I think it's important for believers to know what they believe and why. Anything that leads people to dig deeper into God's Word is awesome. Let me know how it unfolds.

peace and blessings
 
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What do you mean some do not believe Christ started a new religion and they have scripture as their witness?. Which new religion ?


And how did the deep sea scrolls hidden when found help understand more that what the Bible reveals? Are the scrolls another witness or the same?
I'm gonna try to articulate the meaning behind the statement that she and I have made: Jesus did not come to start a new religion.
It was something the Spirit of the Lord brought to my mind and it was like a veil lifting.

God set apart a physical/biological nation of peoples to use to cultivate a spiritual nation of peoples to be a part of His family eternally in the Kingdom of God. Through the Hebrews and the 12 families that descended and became natural Israel, He planted His Seed. Through Abraham, the Promised One of Israel came. the Word came first to the jews, then to the gentiles but ultimately those that are His are the same. Israel.
That is the only family that matters. The Israel of God. And the 'religion' that God created began long ago amongst the Israelites.
It is the only religion that God created and that His Son preached. He preached against the man-made religion of Judaism because it had become corrupt. As has the modern church because of the man-made religions of Catholicism and Protestantism.
One person on here accused me of saying that Jesus wanted to perpetuate Judaism. I did not say nor imply that was the case.
You see the Church (Israel) was formed in the wilderness. Not in the book of Acts. God instructed His people how to build the Tabernacle and assemble themselves and how to worship Him. He taught them when and where and how to worship Him, when to congregate and which of the days/weeks of His Calendar are Holy. He said if you would be my people and I will be your God, then this is how you worship me. I will take you to the Promised Land (Kingdom of God) if you trust in Me and obey my commands.
That God of Israel is the God that Christians claim to worship yet they know so little about Him due to the false doctrine and anti-semitic attitudes that have infiltrated christendom. The jews twisted and skewed His commands and teachings and the modern churches of the world have also twisted the teachings and taught for doctrine the customs of man. Keeping tradition and forsaking the commandments.
So the 'new religion' that we speak of is what most people simply call Christianity. It is a bastardized version of God's True Religion. I prefer to be more distinct by naming the leading denominations that are guilty.
I do not sit in judgment of any believer who is still caught up in the church of evangetainment, but I will defend to the death the Gospel and stand on the Truth.

I hope this helps you understand what I meant when I said Jesus didn't come to start a new religion. And He sure didn't need our help coming up with a new one, but by golly that just what the church of Rome did. and her protestant daughters are headed down the same path.

Rev. 18:4
 

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Its not scoffing but what advantage seeing we have the whole.
You don't have the whole words of the Lord with the bible. That is because if you don't know what the words written there meant you can't understand them. The words are there, absolutely accurate and from the Lord. But if the word is water, for example, and to the men who wrote that word it means one thing and to you it means another then you don't understand the word of scripture.

We have lost a lot of what the men were thinking that took down the Lord's words and the writings of so long ago it is forgotten now. The deep sea scrolls help us understand the men who gave us God's word.
 

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You don't have the whole words of the Lord with the bible. That is because if you don't know what the words written there meant you can't understand them. The words are there, absolutely accurate and from the Lord. But if the word is water, for example, and to the men who wrote that word it means one thing and to you it means another then you don't understand the word of scripture.

We have lost a lot of what the men were thinking that took down the Lord's words and the writings of so long ago it is forgotten now. The deep-sea scrolls help us understand the men who gave us God's word.
The dead sea scrolls were a good find, however, we have already had the bible intact.
 

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The dead sea scrolls were a good find, however, we have already had the bible intact.
That is what I stated in my post. The bible is intact and absolutely accurate. However, the understanding of the words of the bible is NOT intact. By giving understanding of the men who wrote down God's words it helps us understand the words used.
 

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That is what I stated in my post. The bible is intact and absolutely accurate. However, the understanding of the words of the bible is NOT intact. By giving understanding of the men who wrote down God's words it helps us understand the words used.
you are saying those God used to write the Word of God which is the Bible today knew what they were writing?
 

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you are saying those God used to write the Word of God which is the Bible today knew what they were writing?
If I said that I would be adding my own ideas to the word of the Lord. God does not tell me the thoughts of the men who wrote His scripture. The Lord trusted them. though, to write what God told them and they did this we are told but they used words they knew to write it. They could not write of an airplane because they had no idea of an airplane, they wrote in words they knew.

In Revelation it seems to me they wrote of things like airplanes that they didn't know about, but they wrote in the way they understood. It helps us understand the words they wrote to know that they did not know about such things as airplanes. There are many other times that knowing something of the men taking down God's words thought helps.
 
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You don't have the whole words of the Lord with the bible. That is because if you don't know what the words written there meant you can't understand them. The words are there, absolutely accurate and from the Lord. But if the word is water, for example, and to the men who wrote that word it means one thing and to you it means another then you don't understand the word of scripture.

We have lost a lot of what the men were thinking that took down the Lord's words and the writings of so long ago it is forgotten now. The deep sea scrolls help us understand the men who gave us God's word.
We must be careful on how we hear,

The Bible warns us of those who think men need are to teach us. They are called antichrists. The Bible, the law of God informs us as it God's word prophecy teaches us ,we abide in Him .

The promise of eternal comes by our unseen Father in heaven not from men.

And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John2: 25 -27

We are to walk by faith and not by sight
 

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We must be careful on how we hear,

The Bible warns us of those who think men need are to teach us. They are called antichrists. The Bible, the law of God informs us as it God's word prophecy teaches us ,we abide in Him .

The promise of eternal comes by our unseen Father in heaven not from men.

And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John2: 25 -27

We are to walk by faith and not by sight
Are you actually saying the the Lord opened up the dead sea scrolls to TEACH us about Him? It is scripture that teaches. The dead sea scrolls gives us history, authorizes scripture, and helps understand what has been written. Don't distort their meaning.

And the bible is not against education. You may read, even your daily newspaper.