Christians aren't excluded from hardships in life

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Lanolin

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part of the problem with african countries is they are in debt to the one countries bank thats lending all this money to them and NOT forgiving it. I wonder what country this bank is in.
 

Lanolin

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hmm did some research, looks like some banks are providing debt relief suspension for poor countries. as they ought to.
Nobody can pay those billions back if a quarter of your population is dead.
 

Lanolin

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Be nice just to conjure money out of thin air, I think some countries actually do this.

as for hardship, forgive the debt, and see a great burden being rolled off peoples shoulders. as the Lords prayer asks us to pray.
 

14meatcc

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As Paul said- Though sufferings suck at the present time, they can't compare to the glory that will be revealed in us.
We will never suffer for the trinity like Christ suffered for us.
May the love of God that passes all understanding keep you until we go home.
 
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As Paul said- Though sufferings suck at the present time, they can't compare to the glory that will be revealed in us.
We will never suffer for the trinity like Christ suffered for us.
May the love of God that passes all understanding keep you until we go home.


I Love reading your posts,they really speak to me,Praise God!

Amen!! to your above post.
 
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Excluded from hardships?
The BDF creates them.
 
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True, this world is the kingdom of the devil. All unbelievers belong to that kingdom. But all true believers belong to God's heavenly kingdom. As you say, the Bible says our real enemy in this world is not people - but the evil forces, and we are to wrestle against then through prayer and through leading holy lives. As for the term, 'one-world system' I use that to describe the Anti-christ there will be in the very end times, and he'll persecute Christians throughout the world during his reign. Of course, the power behind the anti-christ is the devil. The anti-christ will yield to him - that's why.
Thanks for that.

The one spirit of antichrist (Satan) called the man of sin (mankind) a sinner is the god of the kingdoms of this world (what the eyes see) . The one world government of lies that make the word of God without effect as the wisdom of this world. $$$$$

The father of lies the spirit of all antichrists uses sinners as antichrists (plural) He began his lies in the garden .Thou shall not surely die . Look at me (Sssssss) ) and live.

Took his legs out from under it to show Satan was not walking or understanding by the faith that alone comes from hearing God.

The glory of God left and will not return until the new heaven and earth appear . Then there will be no night
 

MyrtleTrees

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Thanks for that.

The one spirit of antichrist (Satan) called the man of sin (mankind) a sinner is the god of the kingdoms of this world (what the eyes see) . The one world government of lies that make the word of God without effect as the wisdom of this world. $$$$$

The father of lies the spirit of all antichrists uses sinners as antichrists (plural) He began his lies in the garden .Thou shall not surely die . Look at me (Sssssss) ) and live.

Took his legs out from under it to show Satan was not walking or understanding by the faith that alone comes from hearing God.

The glory of God left and will not return until the new heaven and earth appear . Then there will be no night
Right! I guess I'm not sure if the anti-christ meant in the book of Revelation is just this corrupt world system, or if it also means that there will be a one-world government, as there was before our nation became a free nation. You're right that anyone who doesn't believe in God or who is against Him - is classified as an 'antichrist" by the Bible. Six is a number that symbolically refers to man, in the Bible. I'm not sure what the triple 6's could mean in Revelation. The people of this world live for the things of this life, only. WHile true children of God live primarily for the future - after this life - life in heaven with God. Yes, there will be troubles throughout the rest of earth's existence. But when Jesus comes and takes all the saints of earth up to heaven, they will live in the "New Jerusalem" - which I believe means "in heaven with God" - and He Himself will be the light so that no sun or moon will be needed there. As you say, there will be no more sorrow then only joy.
 

MyrtleTrees

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That the trial of your Faith (all Faith is tested, and great Faith must be tested greatly), being much more precious than of gold that perishes (the emphasis is the testing of our Faith to show whether or not it is genuine; the Holy Spirit says such is more precious than the testing of gold, which is the most precious commodity in the world; is our Faith really in the Cross or not?), though it be tried with fire (the fire of temptation, trouble, etc.; such are meant to show the weakness), might be found unto Praise and Honour and Glory (which can only be done if the Cross of Christ is the sole Object of our Faith) at the appearing of Jesus Christ (we are being prepared by the Holy Spirit as fit subjects for the appearing of our Lord, as it regards the Rapture): 1 Peter 1:7


The Vicissitudes Of Life

Luke 6:46-49 NKJV - Jesus said , it will be "vehement," i.e., strong with every attempt to destroy.

Build on the Rock
46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock.[h] 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell.[i] And the ruin of that house was great.”


According to the scripture, this will come no matter how much faith a Christian will have. All faith will be tested. And greater faith will be tested more. All character will be refined (Isaiah 48:10 NLT, Psalm 105:19 NLT).

Proverbs 22:3
“3 A prudent man foresees the evil, and hides himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished. (The “prudent man” is the one who lives his life by the Bible and, therefore, “foresees evil.” He can, therefore, protect himself from its environment.


The “simple” can be likened to those who do not know or believe the Bible and are, therefore, ignorant of the vicissitudes of the spirit world.)”

JSM
Those are good verses to illustrate the truth of the fact that we can't expect to always escape the troubles of this life - and that in fact, God sees that such hardships are beneficial to our faith! And yes, we are to do what we can to avoid evil, always. True, the simple are unbelievers - wayward and without God's wisdom.
 

Angela53510

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My favourite passage is Romans 5:3-5. God gave me this when I was suffering. God can use anything for our good.

"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance and endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not disappoint because God's love has been poured out through the Holy Spirit who was given to us."

"And we know God causes all things to work together for good for those who called According to his purpose." Romans 8:28
 

MyrtleTrees

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My favourite passage is Romans 5:3-5. God gave me this when I was suffering. God can use anything for our good.

"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance and endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not disappoint because God's love has been poured out through the Holy Spirit who was given to us."

"And we know God causes all things to work together for good for those who called According to his purpose." Romans 8:28
Thanks for your comment and verses on the subject! Yes, those are good verses on the subject, and I know of others. It's comforting to know that there is some good purpose to the suffering involved in hardships. It feels a lot more comforting, than if one feels a lot of confusion about it - in which one often questions God, rather than accepting what God has allowed to be!
 
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Right! I guess I'm not sure if the anti-christ meant in the book of Revelation is just this corrupt world system, or if it also means that there will be a one-world government, as there was before our nation became a free nation. You're right that anyone who doesn't believe in God or who is against Him - is classified as an 'antichrist" by the Bible. Six is a number that symbolically refers to man, in the Bible. I'm not sure what the triple 6's could mean in Revelation. The people of this world live for the things of this life, only. WHile true children of God live primarily for the future - after this life - life in heaven with God. Yes, there will be troubles throughout the rest of earth's existence. But when Jesus comes and takes all the saints of earth up to heaven, they will live in the "New Jerusalem" - which I believe means "in heaven with God" - and He Himself will be the light so that no sun or moon will be needed there. As you say, there will be no more sorrow then only joy.
Thanks for the reply. Yes his glory now hidden will be the light as it was the first three days until he saw sin in the heart of the god of this world . On day four the temporal corruption time keepers began the count down called under the Sun . The Sun and moon two time keepers will be under the feet of His bride in the new heavens and earth.

We should remember that God is light and not that he can create it temporally only . Being in his presence (light) can bring a glow and cover up ones nakendenes without him .

I would offer. The the spirit of antichrists as the god of this world began his deception speaking through creature seen in the garden in Genesis.. The father of lies a murderer from the beginning .

The spirit of the antichrists' worked in Cain as the first of the anti christs (many). The marked (666) man of sin moving Cain used to murder the first Christian, martyr Abel .

It established the pagan foundation .Out of sight out of mind. Plowed his brother under corn.

A good example in the new testament (Mathew 16) using Peter who had just confused the matter thinking he was the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against The same thing Catholic must confess. Peter in false pride fell from grace .When as one of the many antichrists' . Peter moved the the spirit of the antichrist' to do the will of the antichrist Satan. Peter forbidding Jesus from doing his three day labor of love or work of faith

The Son of man Jesus having no power to rebuke the god of this world, as a apostle prophet. Jesus was given words from His unseen father working in the Son of man. And the father rebuked Satan ,saying to Peter "get behind me not seen" not Peter seen . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus.

That window of forgiving blasphemy against the Son of man. Jesus closed when Jesus left . Today there is no forgiveness against blaspheming the Holy Spirit not seen .We walk by faith the eternal not be looking at the temporal

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Three a number metaphor is used throughout the bible to indicate the "end of a matter ". or sealed . Using six three times identifies unconverted faithless mankind .(the mark of Cain) No need to turn it into a lying wonder that some seek after rather than walking by faith. The eternal not seen
 

MyrtleTrees

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Thanks for the reply. Yes his glory now hidden will be the light as it was the first three days until he saw sin in the heart of the god of this world . On day four the temporal corruption time keepers began the count down called under the Sun . The Sun and moon two time keepers will be under the feet of His bride in the new heavens and earth.

We should remember that God is light and not that he can create it temporally only . Being in his presence (light) can bring a glow and cover up ones nakendenes without him .

I would offer. The the spirit of antichrists as the god of this world began his deception speaking through creature seen in the garden in Genesis.. The father of lies a murderer from the beginning .

The spirit of the antichrists' worked in Cain as the first of the anti christs (many). The marked (666) man of sin moving Cain used to murder the first Christian, martyr Abel .

It established the pagan foundation .Out of sight out of mind. Plowed his brother under corn.

A good example in the new testament (Mathew 16) using Peter who had just confused the matter thinking he was the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against The same thing Catholic must confess. Peter in false pride fell from grace .When as one of the many antichrists' . Peter moved the the spirit of the antichrist' to do the will of the antichrist Satan. Peter forbidding Jesus from doing his three day labor of love or work of faith

The Son of man Jesus having no power to rebuke the god of this world, as a apostle prophet. Jesus was given words from His unseen father working in the Son of man. And the father rebuked Satan ,saying to Peter "get behind me not seen" not Peter seen . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus.

That window of forgiving blasphemy against the Son of man. Jesus closed when Jesus left . Today there is no forgiveness against blaspheming the Holy Spirit not seen .We walk by faith the eternal not be looking at the temporal

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Three a number metaphor is used throughout the bible to indicate the "end of a matter ". or sealed . Using six three times identifies unconverted faithless mankind .(the mark of Cain) No need to turn it into a lying wonder that some seek after rather than walking by faith. The eternal not seen
Yes, there are many examples we can find of "anti-christs' in the Bible, since both godly and ungodly people are mentioned in the stories!

Those who refuse to let God be Master of their lives, through Jesus and HIs salvation - are those I would say can be described as having blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Only and unless they repent and turn to God - can they be forgiven. Those who reject God have hell as their eternal destination unless they repent and become a true child of God in this life. After death, there is no moe opportunity to repent and be saved.