church and rituals

[adsd]

I may be slow; some one I know mentioned a movie she saw. it had to do with a catholic priest and exorcisms .
where I thought before , it felt clear now.
Jesus preached , taught, spoke against rituals. to remove a demon did not involve holy water, tying the person up, for days months praying and splashing , making crosses with oil, or holding crosses over them.
and nothing else about Jesus was ritual, it was Talk to your Father in Heaven, In my name ask and you will receive. not pray to a saint or rosary , or repeat ritual words in church.
many have joined this behavior , like the Pharisees, Sadducees, to look important or ritual to others in the name of God

 

[4enlightment]

I may be slow; some one I know mentioned a movie she saw. it had to do with a catholic priest and exorcisms .
where I thought before , it felt clear now.
Jesus preached , taught, spoke against rituals. to remove a demon did not involve holy water, tying the person up, for days months praying and splashing , making crosses with oil, or holding crosses over them.
and nothing else about Jesus was ritual, it was Talk to your Father in Heaven, In my name ask and you will receive. not pray to a saint or rosary , or repeat ritual words in church.
many have joined this behavior , like the Pharisees, Sadducees, to look important or ritual to others in the name of God

The Rosary is like a meditation to help keep you from being distracted of the nature of this world. It is not to be prayed to, but keep your mind focus on God. The devil like to put thoughts in your mind to prevent you from focusing on God. If you try focusing on God right now, the things that you desires in this world will suddenly come into mind and then you will start focusing on your desires rather than God. So some people uses the rosary as a crutch of some sort to prevent from being distracted. The devil doesn't want you to be disconnected from the things that he has created of this world, because eventually by letting your desires go, will bring you more closer to God.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

 

[Timeline]

I may be slow; some one I know mentioned a movie she saw. it had to do with a catholic priest and exorcisms .
where I thought before , it felt clear now.
Jesus preached , taught, spoke against rituals. to remove a demon did not involve holy water, tying the person up, for days months praying and splashing , making crosses with oil, or holding crosses over them.
and nothing else about Jesus was ritual, it was Talk to your Father in Heaven, In my name ask and you will receive. not pray to a saint or rosary , or repeat ritual words in church.
many have joined this behavior , like the Pharisees, Sadducees, to look important or ritual to others in the name of God

The miracles of the bible were immediate, most people tend to forget that. There was no working toward a miracle (ex. exercise, chemotherapy, gradual change). Now Jesus did, at times, tell someone to do something or did something himself, but the miracle itself was instantaneous.

We must also consider this story:

Acts 19:11-17
[SUP]11 [/SUP]God was performing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, [SUP]12 [/SUP]so that handkerchiefs or aprons were even carried from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to name over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, “I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.” [SUP]14 [/SUP]Seven sons of one Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the evil spirit answered and said to them, “I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?” [SUP]16 [/SUP]And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.[SUP]17 [/SUP]This became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, who lived in Ephesus; and fear fell upon them all and the name of the Lord Jesus was being magnified.

I do believe that miracles can and are done today. But if you are thinking about "performing a miracle", you might want to consider whether God is with you, as He is the One doing the miracle, and not the man.

Many of the "miracles" that are claimed today are faked or are things that happened that are misrepresented as being miracles. Again, I am not saying that miracles don't happen, but that things that are not miracles are called miracles, which, quite frankly, lessens the meaning of miracles to non-believers and Christians alike.

A miracle is an extraordinary event/occurrence that happens immediately. I would consider conception a miracle much more than someone getting better after months of exercise and treatment. I am not saying that God cannot play a role in the healing process, but gradual healing is not a characteristic of a miracle, in my opinion.

Someone falling from a plane and surviving in Intensive Care for months/years would not be a miracle. Someone falling from a plane and not getting hurt at all would be much more like a miracle. Like we see with Paul, when he was bite by a snake. He did not show any symptoms at all.

 

[Kerry]

all that is a bunch of bull

 

[RedTent]

OK lets think this thing through without the all or nothing type thinking. If we say rituals are all wrong, we are telling ourselves that God was all wrong to give the Hebrews rituals to help them know God before we had the HS.

If we say that rituals are just wonderful, absolutely right before God, we don't have to obey God at all, just do the ritual leading to what God wants us to know, we are not obeying God at all.

Neither conclusion is correct. The Lord's prayer is a ritual, and can be simply read meaning nothing. The Lord's Prayer can be used to train us in prayer, and this prayer can lead to our salvation.

Circumcision was a ritual, animal sacrifice was a ritual. Circumcision served to sanctify the Hebrews, to separate them as people blessed by God, and a symbol of accepting God. Circumcision could be nothing but a cut on the flesh. After we receive the HS, we are told we are to be circumcised in the heart, physical ritual is not necessary.

Animal sacrifice was using blood as a symbol of Christ, and it never worked as the blood of Christ worked. It was a ritual. When people used blood sacrifice as the people who used blood to satisfy idols used it, scripture says, in the book of Isaiah that God hated that ritual. When it was used as a symbol of Christ, it achieved atonement. That was not the same as the blood of Christ, it lacked the power, but it did partially save them. Blood sacrifice used in the wrong way resulted in God hating the sacrifice.

I don't think we should ignore all the rituals that God gives us. Often, rituals point to God truths.

We need to beware of rituals used in the wrong way.

 

[Patnubay]

all that is a bunch of bull

Luke 22:19

• And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

 

[Timeline]

all that is a bunch of bull

Ela-bull-rate! What is bull?

 

[Paulos]

I may be slow; some one I know mentioned a movie she saw. it had to do with a catholic priest and exorcisms . where I thought before , it felt clear now. Jesus preached , taught, spoke against rituals. to remove a demon did not involve holy water, tying the person up, for days months praying and splashing , making crosses with oil, or holding crosses over them. and nothing else about Jesus was ritual, it was Talk to your Father in Heaven, In my name ask and you will receive. not pray to a saint or rosary , or repeat ritual words in church. many have joined this behavior , like the Pharisees, Sadducees, to look important or ritual to others in the name of God

Demons are no problemo. Jesus in his word of God give power to chase all them away to kick out deomns by simple pray and reading Bible verse. they come back, you kick out again they come back you kick out again they get tired and stay away they no like to loose battle every time they go somewhere else maybe hollywood, who knows?

 

[p_rehbein]

the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit WILL NOT ALLOW a person to be contaminated by some such as demonic spirits......let us concentrate on receiving His indwelling presence...........

as for "rituals," they were created by man..........Commandments were given by Jesus.......a few of them are:

Baptism.........Communion...........Foot washing...........

these ARE NOT rituals...........they are Commandments................

 

[john832]

The Rosary is like a meditation to help keep you from being distracted of the nature of this world. It is not to be prayed to, but keep your mind focus on God. The devil like to put thoughts in your mind to prevent you from focusing on God. If you try focusing on God right now, the things that you desires in this world will suddenly come into mind and then you will start focusing on your desires rather than God. So some people uses the rosary as a crutch of some sort to prevent from being distracted. The devil doesn't want you to be disconnected from the things that he has created of this world, because eventually by letting your desires go, will bring you more closer to God.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

The rosary is memorized mumbo-jumbo...

Mat 6:7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

 

[john832]

the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit WILL NOT ALLOW a person to be contaminated by some such as demonic spirits......let us concentrate on receiving His indwelling presence...........

as for "rituals," they were created by man..........Commandments were given by Jesus.......a few of them are:

Baptism.........Communion...........Foot washing...........

these ARE NOT rituals...........they are Commandments................

Here are a few more for your list...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
Mat 19:18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, " 'YOU SHALL NOT MURDER,' 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY,' 'YOU SHALL NOT STEAL,' 'YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS,'
Mat 19:19 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER,' and, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "

In fact, Paul thought so highly of them, he repeated them...

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

 

[notuptome]

the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit WILL NOT ALLOW a person to be contaminated by some such as demonic spirits......let us concentrate on receiving His indwelling presence...........

as for "rituals," they were created by man..........Commandments were given by Jesus.......a few of them are:

Baptism.........Communion...........Foot washing...........

these ARE NOT rituals...........they are Commandments................

They are ordinances given to believers not commandments. They all have to do with being in fellowship with God and fellow believers not salvation. Amos 3:3 can two walk together except they be agreed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Timeline]

the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit WILL NOT ALLOW a person to be contaminated by some such as demonic spirits......let us concentrate on receiving His indwelling presence...........

as for "rituals," they were created by man..........Commandments were given by Jesus.......a few of them are:

Baptism.........Communion...........Foot washing...........

these ARE NOT rituals...........they are Commandments................

Interesting.....I have never heard anyone say that foot washing was a commandment.

Do you do that? (I do not ridicule - It is a serious question)

I mean where do you do this? At the entrance of your church (the place where you meet)? At your home?

I just find this interesting. I know that Jesus washed the disciples' (Apostles) feet, but I have never thought of this as a commandment.

 

[4enlightment]

The rosary is memorized mumbo-jumbo...

Mat 6:7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

Yes, you are not to use any repetitious words when you are expressing yourself to God or anyone else because it shows that you are not sincere; because it sound like a rehearsal. David's prayers to God suppose to be one of the kind, not for someone else to rehearse them and use David's words to please God.
If there is a lot of problems that is going on around you; you are to remain focus not to get upset, because you will eventually be starting doing what satan want you to do. So when someone trying to prevent evil thoughts from coming in, the best thing is to do is to concentrate on something else that pleasant like some people put themselves in there happy place (happy period of there time).
The visions of the woman never had said that she was Mary, the mother of God; the Catholic's priest assumed from one of the children that was very uneducated had said who the vision has said she was, and which she had said she was the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION; But the priest told the child that it is the name of an act, not a person. So they'd assumed that the child had misunderstood and they declared that the vision was the mother of God. Jesus made a statement to His disciples that if they can't understand Him explaining in a earthly way, then how can they understand Him if He have told them in a heavenly way. In the Book of Jonah; when Jonah had came out of the mouth of sheol, It said that Jonah had said that," salvation is the Lord", not salvation is of the Lord an which it has been change to. If we can't relate to it, we change it so that we can. We only can understand earthly knowledge, but not the things that our eye, ears, and mind cannot comprehend.

 

[saved1975]

I may be slow; some one I know mentioned a movie she saw. it had to do with a catholic priest and exorcisms .
where I thought before , it felt clear now.
Jesus preached , taught, spoke against rituals. to remove a demon did not involve holy water, tying the person up, for days months praying and splashing , making crosses with oil, or holding crosses over them.
and nothing else about Jesus was ritual, it was Talk to your Father in Heaven, In my name ask and you will receive. not pray to a saint or rosary , or repeat ritual words in church.
many have joined this behavior , like the Pharisees, Sadducees, to look important or ritual to others in the name of God

Catholic churches along with other false religions have to do rituals, Because they don't have faith in the simplicity of the Bible's way of doing things.

 

[crossnote]

Are you sure you want to go down the 'Holy Roman Road'?

*†*†*‡*‡*†*†
Praying the Rosary
Familiarize yourself and/or your group with the prayers of the rosary.
Make the Sign of the Cross.
Holding the Crucifix, say the Apostles' Creed.
On the first bead, say an Our Father.
Say three Hail Marys on each of the next three beads.
Say the Glory Be
For each of the five decades, announce the Mystery, then say the Our Father.
While fingering each of the ten beads of the decade, next say ten Hail Marys while meditating on the Mystery. Then say a Glory Be. (After finishing each decade, some say the following prayer requested by the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima: "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell,lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who have most need of your mercy.")
After saying the five decades, say the "Hail, Holy Queen, followed by this dialogue and prayer:
V. Pray for us, O holy Mother of God.
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

Let us pray: O God, whose Only Begotten Son,
by his life, Death, and Resurrection,
has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life,
grant, we beseech thee,
that while meditating on these mysteries
of the most holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary,
we may imitate what they contain
and obtain what they promise,
through the same Christ our Lord. Amen.

Taken from How to Pray the Rosary

 

[2Thewaters]

there is no faith in praying the rosary

the WORD OF GOD says:
Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.


faith is believing the word of God, the bible, enough to obey the word of God,
that is the definition of faith.

Websters dictionary 1824 before the word was corrupted.

there is a good post here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/92679-what-faith-speak-word-only.html

 

[2Thewaters]

The way to pray is like this, we should do it several times a day...

Our father who is in heaven
sanctified and perfect is your name and character
give me your grace to become more like you in love!
may thy kingdom of love come to me
May thy will be done today for me in my heart and in my soul
just as it is done for all those in heaven
give me this day the daily bread for me that YOU created, and purify it for my health as I have tried to buy only pure good foods.
Forgive my bad feelings and transgressions toward you and others and I forgive and forget all bad events and things of others that they did to me,
and let me not be led into temptaion to sin, and keep me from sinning and breaking your law of love
and deliver me from the evil one
for to you throughout all the centuries and to eternity belongs the power, the glory the honor, and the reign of the Universe
forever
amen, My father in heaven sanctified be your name
to thee be the glory and the honor and the power forever, Amen!

now that is a correct prayer and it covers your position as a created being asking for grace from the creator.

 

[2Thewaters]

after each prayer we should saySpeak thy word only and it will be done!

that is the statement of faith.

 

[Jackson123]

I never lean that kind of ritual in the bible.

That kind or ritual is similar to what happen in Indonesian witchcraft when doing excorcism