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You'll notice they called him 'the Elijah.'
On one occasion, God took of the spirit that was upon Moses and put it upon the elders. Moses was still alive. It wasn't in the sense of Moses' disembodied spirit. There is no other passage about a dead man's ghosts possesing other prophets. Jesus even explained the concept of John the Baptist as 'the Elijah who was to come'. He wasn't Elijah himself, but 'the Elijah.' There are some metaphors and spiritual language in the Bible.
What do you mean by 'continuous resurrection'? I was taking this comment to refer to your idea of dead bodies always resurrecting in heaven as in the other thread. But that idea has nothing at all to do with the words of the verses you quoted in II Corinthians 4. Are you using 'continuous resurrection' to refer to something spiritual that was going on while Paul was physically alive? That he'd die to himself for the sake of others laying his life down for others, and thereby experience the death and resurrection of Christ in his physical body? That makes more sense. But the following verses offer no evidence at all for the idea that Paul would get some other body in heaven instead of his body that sleeps in the dust arising. It says nothing about his spirit coming back and indwelling people.
Let's look at it.
II Corinthians 4
8 We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10 always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. 11 For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So death is at work in us, but life in you. (ESV)
Look at verse 11. 'We who live' and 'mortal flesh.' Paul is walking around suffering all these things, and in so doing experiencing the death and life of Jesus in His mortal flesh. He's alive at this time. There is no reference here to his physically dying, or his ghost coming back to live in them.
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Here, Peter tells of making effort for the people to remember his teachings while he is still alive. He doesn't say anything about his ghost indwelling them later. That's just not in there. None of these verses mention that.
On one occasion, God took of the spirit that was upon Moses and put it upon the elders. Moses was still alive. It wasn't in the sense of Moses' disembodied spirit. There is no other passage about a dead man's ghosts possesing other prophets. Jesus even explained the concept of John the Baptist as 'the Elijah who was to come'. He wasn't Elijah himself, but 'the Elijah.' There are some metaphors and spiritual language in the Bible.
What do you mean by 'continuous resurrection'? I was taking this comment to refer to your idea of dead bodies always resurrecting in heaven as in the other thread. But that idea has nothing at all to do with the words of the verses you quoted in II Corinthians 4. Are you using 'continuous resurrection' to refer to something spiritual that was going on while Paul was physically alive? That he'd die to himself for the sake of others laying his life down for others, and thereby experience the death and resurrection of Christ in his physical body? That makes more sense. But the following verses offer no evidence at all for the idea that Paul would get some other body in heaven instead of his body that sleeps in the dust arising. It says nothing about his spirit coming back and indwelling people.
Let's look at it.
II Corinthians 4
8 We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; 9 persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10 always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. 11 For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12 So death is at work in us, but life in you. (ESV)
Look at verse 11. 'We who live' and 'mortal flesh.' Paul is walking around suffering all these things, and in so doing experiencing the death and life of Jesus in His mortal flesh. He's alive at this time. There is no reference here to his physically dying, or his ghost coming back to live in them.
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Here, Peter tells of making effort for the people to remember his teachings while he is still alive. He doesn't say anything about his ghost indwelling them later. That's just not in there. None of these verses mention that.
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I may have to ask you to be specific in your questions.
Allow me to try;
A Saint has been awarded ..."saved"status"...... This is awarded after we die from this physical body on earth. This is the same for anyone. We are deceiving ourselves if we declare ourselves...."saved?"...while we are on this earth. (OSAS does just that)
After repentance and baptism we are..."born again".....not....saved. Notice ...saved is past tense, done finished, complete.
Notwithstanding the biblical fact/notice that each of us must appear before G-d's judgement program for final determination of our saved status and award of eternal salvation.. I doubt He appreciates anyone here on earth usurping His right for judgement...don't you?
My words were carefully chosen hence the words "generally" and "originally" meaning that God could still appoint specific women to ministry and even in the OT we see prophetesses. The point still remains, generally, women did not operate in the gifts or maybe Paul was wrong:
1 Cor 14:34 Women f should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 36Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.
1 Tim 2:11 A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Go and read how Joel's prophesy about sons and daughter's prophesying was fulfilled- not everyone prophesied and all flesh would mean humans and animals. So as much as the prophesy talks of all flesh and sons and daughters, it only meant certain appointed people.
1 Cor 14:34 Women f should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 36Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.
1 Tim 2:11 A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
Go and read how Joel's prophesy about sons and daughter's prophesying was fulfilled- not everyone prophesied and all flesh would mean humans and animals. So as much as the prophesy talks of all flesh and sons and daughters, it only meant certain appointed people.
Ok not that I agree with you but acknowledging I think I am following what you mean. So what is it exactly that leads you to state that the concept of OSAS or the doctrine of preservation of the saints started in the 1960s .
As for the portion in bold . I doubt he appreciates one doubting or questioning the finished work on the cross do you ?
Blessings
Bill
As for the portion in bold . I doubt he appreciates one doubting or questioning the finished work on the cross do you ?
Blessings
Bill
Here, Peter tells of making effort for the people to remember his teachings while he is still alive. He doesn't say anything about his ghost indwelling them later. That's just not in there. None of these verses mention that.[/QUOTE]
Nope. God said He was sending Elijah not 'the Elijah' and people were waiting for Elijah before Messiah and not 'The Elijah', they even went to Jesus and asked if He was Elijah. When Jesus asked the disciples who He was, one answered and said ".. some people say you are Elijah..." not 'the Elijah'.
Indwelling of disembodied spirit is the basis of our faith and this is what we call baptism, without it there's no salvation - an event that happens in the spirit but is symbolized physically with water to show that this is what we believe.
Jesus said He had to go for the spirit to come, if He doesn't go the spirit would not come and indwell them.
Rom 8: 9You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life d because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of e his Spirit who lives in you.
But it is also said Christ comes with 10000 of His saints. Do this saints stay outside while Christ indwells us? nope. Our hearts is heaven and there is a joyful assembly in our hearts/ myriads of angels/saints.
Nope. God said He was sending Elijah not 'the Elijah' and people were waiting for Elijah before Messiah and not 'The Elijah', they even went to Jesus and asked if He was Elijah. When Jesus asked the disciples who He was, one answered and said ".. some people say you are Elijah..." not 'the Elijah'.
Indwelling of disembodied spirit is the basis of our faith and this is what we call baptism, without it there's no salvation - an event that happens in the spirit but is symbolized physically with water to show that this is what we believe.
Jesus said He had to go for the spirit to come, if He doesn't go the spirit would not come and indwell them.
Rom 8: 9You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life d because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of e his Spirit who lives in you.
But it is also said Christ comes with 10000 of His saints. Do this saints stay outside while Christ indwells us? nope. Our hearts is heaven and there is a joyful assembly in our hearts/ myriads of angels/saints.
Flesh that ages in a process of decay leading to dearth and returning to the spiritless dust it was formed from of is considered corruptible. The phrase “you shall surely die” can be literally translated from the Hebrew biblical text as “dying you shall die.” (not maybe die) Flesh and blood cannot enter the new heavens and earth neither does corruption inherit the incorruptible.If not given a new born again spirit the temporal corrupted spirit returns to the father who gave it.
As the Son of God a word that describes the unseen eternal Holy Spirit of our supernatural God. He has no mother or father beginning of days or end of spirit life (no nature) but remains our high Priest continually without beginning or end.
As the Son of man natural man having a beginning of spirit life and a mother or father as the seed of the temporal needed for the one time demonstration of the Son of God not seen .
Melchizedek was a type types are used as metaphors or shadows in visions.
God remains not a man as us. Other than you might desire to walk by sight after the temporal seen and not by faith after the unseen eternal. The moment God would try and create another God the new god would have a beginning as a nature Supernatural God never was man never could be man as having a beginning .God has none . Again the Son of man made it very clear His flesh profits for nothing. It was a demonstration of the real work the not seen the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world. God is not a man as us and neither is their a fleshly mediator (daysman) set between God and man with permission from both as a infallible umpire. That describes the antichrists. The Pope who stands in the holy place as one that fills the abomination of desecration of God wears the tittle of daysman proudly.
2 Corinthians 5 :7 for through faith we walk, not through sight -
I would suggest studying as to how and why we need to mix faith (God's) in what we do hear coming from scripture rather than trusting what the eyes see.
So that we henceforth have known no one according to the flesh, and even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him no more;2 Corinthians 5:16
How long is yet now we know him no more?
As the Son of God a word that describes the unseen eternal Holy Spirit of our supernatural God. He has no mother or father beginning of days or end of spirit life (no nature) but remains our high Priest continually without beginning or end.
As the Son of man natural man having a beginning of spirit life and a mother or father as the seed of the temporal needed for the one time demonstration of the Son of God not seen .
Melchizedek was a type types are used as metaphors or shadows in visions.
God remains not a man as us. Other than you might desire to walk by sight after the temporal seen and not by faith after the unseen eternal. The moment God would try and create another God the new god would have a beginning as a nature Supernatural God never was man never could be man as having a beginning .God has none . Again the Son of man made it very clear His flesh profits for nothing. It was a demonstration of the real work the not seen the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world. God is not a man as us and neither is their a fleshly mediator (daysman) set between God and man with permission from both as a infallible umpire. That describes the antichrists. The Pope who stands in the holy place as one that fills the abomination of desecration of God wears the tittle of daysman proudly.
2 Corinthians 5 :7 for through faith we walk, not through sight -
I would suggest studying as to how and why we need to mix faith (God's) in what we do hear coming from scripture rather than trusting what the eyes see.
So that we henceforth have known no one according to the flesh, and even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him no more;2 Corinthians 5:16
How long is yet now we know him no more?
From my experience many neglect the reasoning authority or reasoning law below by which we can hear eternal God not seen.
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18
We would never look to the things seen as a actual authority as a representative authority .Many have addied meaning to the word apostle. to that they might lord it over the assumed non venerable ones .Only God not seen is to be venerated, worshipped. The word apostle does not mean one of authority .It simply mean "sent ones" men in violation of Deuteronomy have added new meaning again so the they can lord it over other men . All prophets to include today as those who do bringing the authorticve word of the eternal not seen when sent are considered apostles. The first apostle as on sent from God was Abel .
Actually, it is God who is ultimately doing the loosing and the binding. All the church really is is the vehicle that God is using. We are the custodians, the stewards, of the Gospel. We share it, and it is God who applies it to the hearts of those who are listening. But the church takes credit in a real sense, because it is they who are the ambassadors of Christ as the Gospel goes forth.
When someone does become saved, it is the church the corporate body amongst the congregations and denominations and groups of believers, which officially welcomes this person into the body of Christ. Now in actually he came into the body of Christ when he became born again. This is altogether the act of God. But in order to give official recognition to this the church accepts this person into its membership, the church baptizes this person, the church hears the confession of this person that indeed he has become a child of God. It is ultimately, however, God who is doing it all. As we bring the Gospel the incorruptible seed those who are exercised by the Gospel, God applies the keys of the Kingdom to that person's life - their sins are forgiven. Their sins are forgiven. And as for those who does not exercise it, the gospel (no faith) , that is, who do not respond to the Gospel, their sins are retained. There is no change in their position before God. They still stand guilty before God with all of their sins.
It is simply blasphemy to put our trust in the things seen. the Church are stewards and caretakers of the gospel and not that that works in us it is not of us.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
It sounds like you might be Catholic?
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18
We would never look to the things seen as a actual authority as a representative authority .Many have addied meaning to the word apostle. to that they might lord it over the assumed non venerable ones .Only God not seen is to be venerated, worshipped. The word apostle does not mean one of authority .It simply mean "sent ones" men in violation of Deuteronomy have added new meaning again so the they can lord it over other men . All prophets to include today as those who do bringing the authorticve word of the eternal not seen when sent are considered apostles. The first apostle as on sent from God was Abel .
Actually, it is God who is ultimately doing the loosing and the binding. All the church really is is the vehicle that God is using. We are the custodians, the stewards, of the Gospel. We share it, and it is God who applies it to the hearts of those who are listening. But the church takes credit in a real sense, because it is they who are the ambassadors of Christ as the Gospel goes forth.
When someone does become saved, it is the church the corporate body amongst the congregations and denominations and groups of believers, which officially welcomes this person into the body of Christ. Now in actually he came into the body of Christ when he became born again. This is altogether the act of God. But in order to give official recognition to this the church accepts this person into its membership, the church baptizes this person, the church hears the confession of this person that indeed he has become a child of God. It is ultimately, however, God who is doing it all. As we bring the Gospel the incorruptible seed those who are exercised by the Gospel, God applies the keys of the Kingdom to that person's life - their sins are forgiven. Their sins are forgiven. And as for those who does not exercise it, the gospel (no faith) , that is, who do not respond to the Gospel, their sins are retained. There is no change in their position before God. They still stand guilty before God with all of their sins.
It is simply blasphemy to put our trust in the things seen. the Church are stewards and caretakers of the gospel and not that that works in us it is not of us.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
It sounds like you might be Catholic?
Nope. God said He was sending Elijah not 'the Elijah' and people were waiting for Elijah before Messiah and not 'The Elijah', they even went to Jesus and asked if He was Elijah. When Jesus asked the disciples who He was, one answered and said ".. some people say you are Elijah..." not 'the Elijah'.[/quote]
Go back and read the verse that says 'the Elijah' verse in the quotes.
The Jewish officials asked John if he was Elijah, and he said no. So either John did not know who he was there was a sense in which he was Elijah and a sense in which he was not. Some prophecies use metaphor and spiritual language. Elijah was a separate individual from John. Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration. Jesus explained that John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. Do you think this is about reincarnation, about ghosts coming down, or what?
Jesus will literally return to earth. The saints meet Him in the air, and He will return with a huge multitude and with the holy angels.
Go back and read the verse that says 'the Elijah' verse in the quotes.
The Jewish officials asked John if he was Elijah, and he said no. So either John did not know who he was there was a sense in which he was Elijah and a sense in which he was not. Some prophecies use metaphor and spiritual language. Elijah was a separate individual from John. Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration. Jesus explained that John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. Do you think this is about reincarnation, about ghosts coming down, or what?
Jesus will literally return to earth. The saints meet Him in the air, and He will return with a huge multitude and with the holy angels.
There's no such thing as 'the Elijah', it is wrong spiritually and also grammatically. 'The' cannot be used with a person's name.It is not in the bible nor the universe.
If the spirit of Christ indwells you, are the Christ?
Yes you are but you don't know, so how was John to know?
Your dreams are not valid:
Matt 26:63.....The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
64“You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Matt 10: 23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Heb 10:36 You need to persevere, so that after you have done God’s will, you will receive what He has promised. 37For, “In just a little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay.
Jesus was and is and is to come the Almighty- meaning that He is always coming into our hearts spiritually until the end of age.
If the spirit of Christ indwells you, are the Christ?
Yes you are but you don't know, so how was John to know?
Your dreams are not valid:
Matt 26:63.....The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
64“You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Matt 10: 23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Heb 10:36 You need to persevere, so that after you have done God’s will, you will receive what He has promised. 37For, “In just a little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay.
Jesus was and is and is to come the Almighty- meaning that He is always coming into our hearts spiritually until the end of age.
It shows up in a few translations of Matthew 11:14. And 'the' can come before a person's name in American English, btw. But there is no definite article before the name in that verse in Greek, so it is a mute point.
I think you should stick with the scriptures on such things. We can be anointed, but there is only one Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of God.
Jesus called one woman 'that woman Jezebel.' She was similar to Jezebel in the Old Testament, leading God's people to eat meat offered to idols and to commit fornications-- sins performed during pagan rituals in the Old Testament.
John fulfilled the Elijah prophecy. Elijah turned the nation, or much of it, back toward God. The kings wife tried to have him killed.
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No, it doesn't show up in a few translations and even if it does, it is wrong. It is non existent in Greek so you are right, it is a mute point.
The spirit of Elijah came as John or we can say the spirit of Elijah indwelled John- this is scripture.
John did not turn the nation back to God but prepared the way for the Messiah, he also prepared the people for what was to come, the reason he said ".. the kingdom of God is at hand.."
No, it doesn't show up in a few translations and even if it does, it is wrong. It is non existent in Greek so you are right, it is a mute point.
The spirit of Elijah came as John or we can say the spirit of Elijah indwelled John- this is scripture.
John did not turn the nation back to God but prepared the way for the Messiah, he also prepared the people for what was to come, the reason he said ".. the kingdom of God is at hand.."
Matthew 14:11
And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
(NIV)
And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
(Berean Study Bible)
See also CSB, HCSB, God's Word Translation.
The Bible says that John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. It does not say that he was indwelt by Elijah's spirit.
And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
(NIV)
And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.
(Berean Study Bible)
See also CSB, HCSB, God's Word Translation.
The Bible says that John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. It does not say that he was indwelt by Elijah's spirit.
Leaning on a translation does not help you. Use of 'the' would mean there were so many Elijahs to come but this specific Elijah was the one promised at that moment which is not the case, there was only one Elijah who was promised and Jesus said John was.
Very bad translation.
The same bad NIV says:
NIV Mal 4:5"See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.
Berean Study Bible Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the LORD.
CSB Mal 4:5 Look, I am going to send you the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible day of the LORD comes.
HCSB Mal 4:5 Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome Day of the LORD comes.
There's nothing wrong in claiming that the spirit of Elijah indwelled John.
Very bad translation.
The same bad NIV says:
NIV Mal 4:5"See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.
Berean Study Bible Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the LORD.
CSB Mal 4:5 Look, I am going to send you the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible day of the LORD comes.
HCSB Mal 4:5 Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome Day of the LORD comes.
There's nothing wrong in claiming that the spirit of Elijah indwelled John.
Well, you're reading that into the text (spiritual resurrection) it is not there, or at the least you're being too dogmatic in your position. Perhaps you're making the same error that others make that Jesus' physical resurrection was an "apologetic?" I believe it has much more significance than just an apologetic.
Excuse my being frank about this, but such makes it appear a stunt which is in my honest opinion straight up blasphemy, not that you're committing such, but we must use extreme caution regarding this historical, supernatural event. It, his bodily resurrection, is much much more than an apologetic or mere evidence.
Also, and hopefully you are not offended already, it appears to be true that there was no resurrection prior to Christ, as even those who were raised from death before Christ was raised did not receive a glorified body. It is not certain whether or not the saints raised after his resurrection received glorified bodies and then accompanied him into paradise, or that they remained alive here on earth. There are differing views on this. I don't have an answer either way but am willing to see any evidence on one side or the other.
A reexamination of 1 Corinthians 15 is in order for all of us, we should ponder it anew, and not in cursory fashion.
Excuse my being frank about this, but such makes it appear a stunt which is in my honest opinion straight up blasphemy, not that you're committing such, but we must use extreme caution regarding this historical, supernatural event. It, his bodily resurrection, is much much more than an apologetic or mere evidence.
Also, and hopefully you are not offended already, it appears to be true that there was no resurrection prior to Christ, as even those who were raised from death before Christ was raised did not receive a glorified body. It is not certain whether or not the saints raised after his resurrection received glorified bodies and then accompanied him into paradise, or that they remained alive here on earth. There are differing views on this. I don't have an answer either way but am willing to see any evidence on one side or the other.
A reexamination of 1 Corinthians 15 is in order for all of us, we should ponder it anew, and not in cursory fashion.
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It was not the Spirit of the person Moses that he put on the others . The Spirit of Moses represented the Spirit of God's law.
Moses is used as a type to represent the law of God. Elijah as a type to represent the power of prophecy. Neither has to do with the flesh and blood of either .
You are correct it wasn't in the sense of Moses' disembodied spirit and the same with Elijah. That's a Catholic thing needed to work out their necromancy foundation .
It was the Spirit of Christ using the Spirit or power of the Law, God's Law (not Moses's law) and the Spirit of the Law as power.And not the power of the person of Elijah used to represent all the prophets .
Simply God's two witnesses the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)
Romans 3:21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
It has nothing to do with the flesh of either. Both of their flesh returned to the dust from where it was taken. Flesh and blood could never enter the new order as the bride of Christ
Romans 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Moses is used as a type to represent the law of God. Elijah as a type to represent the power of prophecy. Neither has to do with the flesh and blood of either .
You are correct it wasn't in the sense of Moses' disembodied spirit and the same with Elijah. That's a Catholic thing needed to work out their necromancy foundation .
It was the Spirit of Christ using the Spirit or power of the Law, God's Law (not Moses's law) and the Spirit of the Law as power.And not the power of the person of Elijah used to represent all the prophets .
Simply God's two witnesses the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)
Romans 3:21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
It has nothing to do with the flesh of either. Both of their flesh returned to the dust from where it was taken. Flesh and blood could never enter the new order as the bride of Christ
Romans 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
God is not a man as us never was never could be.
We are not saved by gazing at flesh. (idol worship) We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after the temporal flesh that ages as in corrupted. Aging leads toward death and the return to the lifeless, spiritless dust it was taken from .
If Jesus's flesh which he says clearly did not profit was not a true demonstration of the Spirit of God pouring out his unseen Spirit then there was no demonstration as promised in Isiah 53.
The Son of God which speaks of the Spirit of Christ and not the flesh of men is the lamb of God slain from before the foundation od f the world .the actual work and not the demonstration thousands of years later.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Yes a type of a real person not a fantasy person .Faith is not using ones own imagination.
You are trying to make God into a man as us ."Impossible" for God to create another God. God has no beginning as in supernatural . no natures) His temporal flesh profited for nothing.
Jesus is God as the Son of God .He put on the sinful flesh of men for a one time outward demonstration as the sign of Jonas.
That is not what the Bible teaches .Before the statement and neither is there any daysman in the previous verse , He infallible declared God is not a man as us.... very plainly. ( No fleshly God)
32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment
Yes a fleshly umpire daysman) as a teaching master as in no man can serve two masters or two Rabbi's as one given the approval of man seen and the approval of God not seen . No credit to a fleshly mediator. Jesus resisted being called good master . Just as he instructed men to call no man on earth father the same applies call no man Rabbi master on earth for one is our master in heaven .
When they tried to a make the Son of man, Jesus a daysman he said only God not seen is good. We walk by faith not according to the flesh as that seen Christ said His flesh profits for nothing, zero, zip, nada
The Son of man in respect to that seen, did not except worship as the Son of God, Christ, the unseen .
But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ
But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. Mathew 24
I would not offer not just mere evidence but the clear evidence of a demonstration of the things of God not seen. It would seem the "things of men" seen gets in the way the "things of God" not seen (faith)
It was blasphemous when Peter through a oral traditions of the fathers as the "things of men" seen, forbid Christ in the Son of man from carrying out the gospel as the "things of God" not seen . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy in respect to the Son of man seen .
Because the Son of man is no longer here today (the one time demonstration is over) blasphemy against the Holy Spirit not seen is not forgivable . We continue to walk by the faith of Christ that comes from hearing God again as the things of God. Failure to decipher t between the things of God not seen and the things of men seen must be deciphered.
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God", but those "that be of men".Mathew 16:21-23
No one has received their new glorified bodies (neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile) . Its one of those twinkling of the eye events.
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.Hebrew 11:39 40
It was blasphemous when Peter through a oral traditions of the fathers as the "things of men" seen, forbid Christ in the Son of man from carrying out the gospel as the "things of God" not seen . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy in respect to the Son of man seen .
Because the Son of man is no longer here today (the one time demonstration is over) blasphemy against the Holy Spirit not seen is not forgivable . We continue to walk by the faith of Christ that comes from hearing God again as the things of God. Failure to decipher t between the things of God not seen and the things of men seen must be deciphered.
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God", but those "that be of men".Mathew 16:21-23
No one has received their new glorified bodies (neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile) . Its one of those twinkling of the eye events.
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.Hebrew 11:39 40