Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible
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Your quote from Robertson did not back up your theory. Paul says that he that speaks in languages speaks mysteries with his spirit. He does not say that speaking in tongues IS speaking mysteries with one's spirit. Acts 2 says that 'they all spake with tongues' and that people in the crowd reported them speaking in their own languages. They were speaking about the wonderful works of God. But the passage does not say that speaking in languages IS speaking the wonderful works of God.
Your quote from Robertson did not back up your theory. Paul says that he that speaks in languages speaks mysteries with his spirit. He does not say that speaking in tongues IS speaking mysteries with one's spirit. Acts 2 says that 'they all spake with tongues' and that people in the crowd reported them speaking in their own languages. They were speaking about the wonderful works of God. But the passage does not say that speaking in languages IS speaking the wonderful works of God.
Those who speak in Tongues use their own languages to do the following, but as you will see the definition of the gift of tongues is not confined to a simple spoken language in fact it does not even have to be a spoken language as 1 Cor 14:28 shows.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of the works of God, Acts 2:11.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of the mysteries of God, 1 Cor 14:2.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of doctrinal concepts, 1 Cor 14:6.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking words which are self edifying, 1 Cor 14:4.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of revelation from God, 1 Cor 14:6
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of knowledge, 1 Cor 14:6
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of prophesy, 1 Cor 14:6.
Speaking in Tongues includes magnifying God, Acts 10:46.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking to God, Acts 14:2.
Speaking in Tongues is not produced by the mind of Man, 1 Cor 14:14.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking to God in your mind, 1 Cor 14:28.
Did Jesus speak in Tongues as you understand it?
Did Paul ever speak in tongues as you understand it? If so where. If not why would a teacher anointed and approved by God not give an example of this gift especially after He tells His students that He speaks in tongues more than them all?
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of the works of God, Acts 2:11.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of the mysteries of God, 1 Cor 14:2.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of doctrinal concepts, 1 Cor 14:6.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking words which are self edifying, 1 Cor 14:4.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of revelation from God, 1 Cor 14:6
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of knowledge, 1 Cor 14:6
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking of prophesy, 1 Cor 14:6.
Speaking in Tongues includes magnifying God, Acts 10:46.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking to God, Acts 14:2.
Speaking in Tongues is not produced by the mind of Man, 1 Cor 14:14.
Speaking in Tongues includes speaking to God in your mind, 1 Cor 14:28.
Did Jesus speak in Tongues as you understand it?
Did Paul ever speak in tongues as you understand it? If so where. If not why would a teacher anointed and approved by God not give an example of this gift especially after He tells His students that He speaks in tongues more than them all?
you know we each see a little differently as we all that believe are growing in the amazing grace of God through Christ, Do we all still Love each other regardless of whether we see it this or that way. Does God love us still?
So can we agree to disagree on the tongues issue, and each of us ask God personally to show us what is what. Has not God become ones teacher, after we decide to believe God in our inner being, where we are made anew by the resurrected Christ a gift from God the Father
[h=3]Hebrews 8:11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
Can we agree on this, and see we are all that are Holy Ghost Baptized are:
1 Corinthians 12:13
For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
So can we agree to disagree on the tongues issue, and each of us ask God personally to show us what is what. Has not God become ones teacher, after we decide to believe God in our inner being, where we are made anew by the resurrected Christ a gift from God the Father
[h=3]Hebrews 8:11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
Can we agree on this, and see we are all that are Holy Ghost Baptized are:
1 Corinthians 12:13
For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
Speaking in tongues is speaking in tongues (languages.)
I don't have any evidence that He did. But that doesn't bother me. I don't have evidence that He split the Red Sea either during His earthly ministry as a Man. But that doesn't mean that God couldn't do that through someone else.
Yes, he said he did.
Why would he write a message in tongues in the Bible? That doesn't make sense considering what he wrote about speaking in tongues in chapter 14.
If tongues is speaking spiritual wisdom, why were the Corinthians able to do it? Paul said he spoke wisdom among them that are perfect (mature, complete) but he called the Corinthians babes and said that they were carnal. So why would many of them be able to do what you consider speaking in tongues? It doesn't fit with the context. Plus, your interpretation ignores what 'speaking in tongues' or 'glossalalia' literally means. Acts 2 tells us that certain people present heard their own languages being spoken.
I don't have any evidence that He did. But that doesn't bother me. I don't have evidence that He split the Red Sea either during His earthly ministry as a Man. But that doesn't mean that God couldn't do that through someone else.
Yes, he said he did.
Why would he write a message in tongues in the Bible? That doesn't make sense considering what he wrote about speaking in tongues in chapter 14.
If tongues is speaking spiritual wisdom, why were the Corinthians able to do it? Paul said he spoke wisdom among them that are perfect (mature, complete) but he called the Corinthians babes and said that they were carnal. So why would many of them be able to do what you consider speaking in tongues? It doesn't fit with the context. Plus, your interpretation ignores what 'speaking in tongues' or 'glossalalia' literally means. Acts 2 tells us that certain people present heard their own languages being spoken.
Thanks for your careful answer 
I learned personally to never base a whole dogma or teaching based on one verse. But even so, when the tongues will cease, what about knowledge... look:
I do not think knowledge is gone...vanished. I think it will all cease, vanish when Jesus Christ returns and/or we enter heaven.
Lets even take the context, in Pauls time his letters had no chapters:
I do not think Paul would first write "it all ceases after a while" and than write: "desire spiritual gifts". That does not make sense to me.
Groaning well I can understand that might be a thought. But in my case: I hear myself speak words, some words return, and than I would say these words make sentences. I do not speak "sounds" like you may see on this charismatic tv programs sometimes. It are words. I cannot learn this language myself. But sometimes I find out I speak new words that sound perfectly fine between the sentences I know. I hope this make sense to you
I learned personally to never base a whole dogma or teaching based on one verse. But even so, when the tongues will cease, what about knowledge... look:
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 1 Cor 13:8
I do not think knowledge is gone...vanished. I think it will all cease, vanish when Jesus Christ returns and/or we enter heaven.
Lets even take the context, in Pauls time his letters had no chapters:
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
(Chapter14) 1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
(Chapter14) 1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
I do not think Paul would first write "it all ceases after a while" and than write: "desire spiritual gifts". That does not make sense to me.
Groaning well I can understand that might be a thought. But in my case: I hear myself speak words, some words return, and than I would say these words make sentences. I do not speak "sounds" like you may see on this charismatic tv programs sometimes. It are words. I cannot learn this language myself. But sometimes I find out I speak new words that sound perfectly fine between the sentences I know. I hope this make sense to you
This is for sure an issue ColinCat. I see this in the Netherlands too. I see legalism, and liberalism and all kinds of things satan has used because he wanted to destroy the church.
In a church the word of God is the base, the measure, for everything we do. And the word is the sWord of the Spirit. When the Spirit will lighten up the word of God (open eyes to understand what is written) and the church does seek and search God (not their own "thing") you will see a church that is open to seek God the Spirit. And this should be the starting point.
What says the word about God, about God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
So when I would start a church I would not start with talking about tongues. I would start with what the trinity is and what the Spirit of Christ is and why we need to walk in the Spirit. And how we do that. When we understand better what it means to walk in the Spirit. This is something way more important than discussing tongues. (And it is my believe when someone is searching what it means to walk in the Spirit that the will be open for the gifts of the Spirit ). Wisdom is needed to start a church...not a wisdom to hide the truth but a wisdom to see why people are afraid for wrong things (demons in church) and than God will give wisdom how to build up a church, is my believe.
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Cor 3:8
In a church the word of God is the base, the measure, for everything we do. And the word is the sWord of the Spirit. When the Spirit will lighten up the word of God (open eyes to understand what is written) and the church does seek and search God (not their own "thing") you will see a church that is open to seek God the Spirit. And this should be the starting point.
What says the word about God, about God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:7-9
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Gal 5:16,17
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Gal 5:16,17
So when I would start a church I would not start with talking about tongues. I would start with what the trinity is and what the Spirit of Christ is and why we need to walk in the Spirit. And how we do that. When we understand better what it means to walk in the Spirit. This is something way more important than discussing tongues. (And it is my believe when someone is searching what it means to walk in the Spirit that the will be open for the gifts of the Spirit
). Wisdom is needed to start a church...not a wisdom to hide the truth but a wisdom to see why people are afraid for wrong things (demons in church) and than God will give wisdom how to build up a church, is my believe.How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Cor 3:8
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I don´t know about this, but Paul said something you probably believe, sir:
Rom 8:26 At the same time the Spirit also helps us in our weakness, because we don't know how to pray for what we need. But the Spirit intercedes along with our groans that cannot be expressed in words.
1Co 14:2 When a person speaks in another language, he doesn't speak to people but to God. No one understands him. His spirit is speaking mysteries.
1Co 14:15 So what does this mean? It means that I will pray with my spirit, and I will pray with my mind. I will sing psalms with my spirit, and I will sing psalms with my mind.
2Co 3:17 This Lord is the Spirit. Wherever the Lord's Spirit is, there is freedom.
PS
Yet, I´m not believer of "the trinity" but in God, who is the Holy Spirit and Jesus.
Rom 8:26 At the same time the Spirit also helps us in our weakness, because we don't know how to pray for what we need. But the Spirit intercedes along with our groans that cannot be expressed in words.
1Co 14:2 When a person speaks in another language, he doesn't speak to people but to God. No one understands him. His spirit is speaking mysteries.
1Co 14:15 So what does this mean? It means that I will pray with my spirit, and I will pray with my mind. I will sing psalms with my spirit, and I will sing psalms with my mind.
2Co 3:17 This Lord is the Spirit. Wherever the Lord's Spirit is, there is freedom.
PS
Yet, I´m not believer of "the trinity" but in God, who is the Holy Spirit and Jesus.
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