CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

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Everlasting-Grace

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OK. I think that is quite a stretch given v. 36, 37, 42 etc. were it seems that the world is at relative peace before it all hits the fan at the opening of the 1st thru 6th seal. By mid-trib the earth is in seriously bad shape and a huge portion of the population has been killed.

I have changed my view a couple of times, but as of now my estimation is to roll waaaaayyy back to verse 2.
Consequently the term "this generation" refers to the line of Jacob, who will endure ALL of biblical prophecy.
They will survive 70AD, the Church age all the way thru the 70th week tribulation to the SC.

The statement of verse 34 then becomes an iron clad guarantee that the Jewish people will be miraculously preserved in effect.

Mat 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

I was a 1948 guy for a long time. And....it may turn out to be that way in the end. Who really knows for sure?
The first 3.5 years is peace.. the great tribulation is the last 3.5 years.. Christ does not enter the throne room in the begin of the 70th week.
 

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The first 3.5 years is peace.. the great tribulation is the last 3.5 years.. Christ does not enter the throne room in the begin of the 70th week.
Disagree. The first 3.5 years are absolute mayhem and destruction globally. Mid trib is likely fifth trumpet/1st woe. Some time after the 1st thru 6th seals have been opened.

Rev 6:7
And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

See chapter 8......the first 4 trumpets almost destroy the planet.

Rev 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Disagree. The first 3.5 years are absolute mayhem and destruction globally. Mid trib is likely fifth trumpet/1st woe. Some time after the 1st thru 6th seals have been opened.

Rev 6:7
And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

See chapter 8......the first 4 trumpets almost destroy the planet.

Rev 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
He does not even open the first seal until after the rapture and people are praying for God to avenge the deaths of the martyres.

The great tribulation happens AFTER the abomination of desolation.. That is when Gods wrath is poured on the earth..
 

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He does not even open the first seal until after the rapture and people are praying for God to avenge the deaths of the martyres.

The great tribulation happens AFTER the abomination of desolation.. That is when Gods wrath is poured on the earth..
Well, as I have shown, there is MASSIVE death and destruction BEFORE the AoD/mid-trib.

Yes we are raptured before the 1st seal. Yes the GT happens after the AoD.
 

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Well, as I have shown, there is MASSIVE death and destruction BEFORE the AoD/mid-trib.

Yes we are raptured before the 1st seal. Yes the GT happens after the AoD.
I have not seen anything.. I disagree.

Paul said in thess, that there is peace and destruction. Then mayhem

that peace is the first 3.5 years..
 

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I have not seen anything.. I disagree.

Paul said in thess, that there is peace and destruction. Then mayhem

that peace is the first 3.5 years..
You are definitely wrong about that. The sudden "birth pangs" that Paul and Jesus spoke about are the START of the 70th week and equal the ch 6 seals. And Paul says clearly that we are raptured BEFORE the birth pains begin.

I will post something later to prove to you that this is definitely the case.
 

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You are definitely wrong about that. The sudden "birth pangs" that Paul and Jesus spoke about are the START of the 70th week and equal the ch 6 seals. And Paul says clearly that we are raptured BEFORE the birth pains begin.

I will post something later to prove to you that this is definitely the case.
Lol the birth pangs are well before the 70th week. They are the begining of sorrows but the end is not yet
 

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that peace is the first 3.5 years..
Seal #2 is that peace is taken from the earth... and there is not 3.5 years between Seal #1 and Seal #2

-3 And when the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” Revelation 6:4 Then another horse went forth. It was bright red, and its rider was granted permission to take away peace from the earth and to make men slay one another. And he was given a great sword. (biblehub.com)




(Seal #2 is well before the mid-trib point which is at the "5th Trumpet / 1st Woe unto the earth" point in time [the AOD time-slot]).
 

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Seal #2 is that peace is taken from the earth... and there is not 3.5 years between Seal #1 and Seal #2

-3 And when the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” Revelation 6:4 Then another horse went forth. It was bright red, and its rider was granted permission to take away peace from the earth and to make men slay one another. And he was given a great sword. (biblehub.com)




(Seal #2 is well before the mid-trib point which is at the "5th Trumpet / 1st Woe unto the earth" point in time [the AOD time-slot]).
Happy to hear from you buddy. We desperately need your help around here.....:rolleyes:
 

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Seal #2 is that peace is taken from the earth... and there is not 3.5 years between Seal #1 and Seal #2

-3 And when the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” Revelation 6:4 Then another horse went forth. It was bright red, and its rider was granted permission to take away peace from the earth and to make men slay one another. And he was given a great sword. (biblehub.com)




(Seal #2 is well before the mid-trib point which is at the "5th Trumpet / 1st Woe unto the earth" point in time [the AOD time-slot]).
Thanks for your opinion. But seal 2 is the start of wars between people and nations..

The time of Gods wrath is the day of the lord. It is the final 3.5 years. Or the great tribulation. Not the whole 7 year period
 

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Happy to hear from you buddy. We desperately need your help around here.....:rolleyes:
Thats what happens when you belief system is questionable. You need all the help you can get
 

Everlasting-Grace

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"the end" [in this context] is the end of the tribulation period (i.e. Christ's Second Coming to the earth / Rev19), not the start of the Trib years
We have seen the beginning of sorrows I believe for a good 10 - 20 years now..
Christ should have came along time ago in your senerio
 

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Thats what happens when you belief system is questionable. You need all the help you can get
Not sure what you mean, but TDW's inputs are pure gold and always appreciated. Nobody here has mastered the rapture and tribulation like he has IMO.
 

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Thanks for your opinion. But seal 2 is the start of wars between people and nations..
Right. So you do agree that peace has been taken from the earth. And the fourth seal relates to 1/4 of the world population dying, a worldwide crisis that has not been equaled since perhaps the black plague.
 

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Right. So you do agree that peace has been taken from the earth. And the fourth seal relates to 1/4 of the world population dying, a worldwide crisis that has not been equaled since perhaps the black plague.
All of which occures in the "day of the lord. After the abomination of desolation takes place. When Israel is told to run to the mountains, where God will protect them, causing Satan to go after her offspring
 

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Not sure what you mean, but TDW's inputs are pure gold and always appreciated. Nobody here has mastered the rapture and tribulation like he has IMO.
I would beg to differ.. but thats ok
 

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All of which occures in the "day of the lord. After the abomination of desolation takes place. When Israel is told to run to the mountains, where God will protect them, causing Satan to go after her offspring
Aaahhhh no. Nobody else here and no commentator on the planet thinks the 2nd or 4th seal occurs past the 3.5 year mark.
Give it time and some more study. Its really not a big deal to be wrong about the exact timing of the trib, but why not apprehend the truth of the matter?

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Aaahhhh no. Nobody else here and no commentator on the planet thinks the 2nd or 4th seal occurs past the 3.5 year mark.
Give it time and some more study. Its really not a big deal to be wrong about the exact timing of the trib, but why not apprehend the truth of the matter?

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Been studying this for decades.

I used to believe as you do. Then I started to actually do some study. and stopped listening to the mainstream view..

the 1st part of the 70th year of daniel is peace and safety. not war and destruction.. Except for normal natural disasters which is just God removing his hand from the world and mankind causing these things to occur. as we see today..

the "tribulation" period is actually only the last 3.5 years..