Climate change...what is it really?

[persistent]

Sounds somewhat like California and Mexico. When Elon Musk was talking about going to Mars their were people saying they would go up there to Mars and do their thing by 'terraforming' the planet. Why can't they terraform the deserts and other non productive lands here? Realize this question is rhetorical.

Mongolia is not real high latitude of midnight sun. It is a high cold plateau. Not sure of elevation but that is part of cold weather up there. Pakistani's probably have lots of cold spots too. Pakistan had major flooding recently. Another big country with cold weather is Kazakhstan. And Canada is very big. Not much chance of people migrating to Canada but Greenland maybe. MSN aggregator on my browser showed about Muslims, Jehovah Witnesses and others moving to Nunavut, Canada. Almost midnite sun region?

 

[Lanolin]

Russia is not Mongolia, you seem to confuse the two.
The only reason Russia is so huge is because most of the land is too cold to live on. Big landmass does not always equal super power..and there is the tyranny of distance. You try governing a land that has eight different time zones.

The Mongolians used to have a huge empire because most of their homeland is tree less plain/plateau and they could see for miles and ride across it in horseback. Also they do not have fixed settlements.

Study a bit more geography and you will see why countries are the way they are. Israel sits within the 'fertile crescent' the original cradle of civilisation and where Eden supposedly was between four rivers.

UK people always go on about 'climate change' because that is their thing - to complain about the weather.

 

[Lanolin]

the Romans were successful in building their empire because they pretty much built roads everywhere then rushed down with their chariots.

The British are a naval power and always built ships and created harbours to trade.

Now we live in an age of jet planes where every nation needs an international airport to participate in the global economy. if we cant afford to fly, people still need to move around, thats why the US was able to be so successful with the invention of the motor car. But now people are super mobile, they are choking in their own dust, and wasteland that the motor car creates.

 

[Lanolin]

The US and Canada "white' govt did a horrible thing to native americans by trying to remove them from the land and sending them to desolate reservations where they could not grow food or hunt and fish seasonally. Then keeping the most productive, arable land to themselves and carving it up so that you had to own a piece. But that is what they did to Africa as well.

 

[ZNP]

The US and Canada "white' govt did a horrible thing to native americans by trying to remove them from the land and sending them to desolate reservations where they could not grow food or hunt and fish seasonally. Then keeping the most productive, arable land to themselves and carving it up so that you had to own a piece. But that is what they did to Africa as well.

What about Australia, I would think the aborigines would really take issue with you leaving them off the list.

What about the Maori, I would think they would really take issue with New Zealand being off this list.

‘The gates of hell opened’: after decades, Māori survivors of state abuse are finally heard
Māori children faced not just the physical abuse, but the trauma of being cut off from their culture, New Zealand royal commission hears

When Tupua Urlich – the first person to take the stand at a landmark Māori hearing on abuse in state care – is asked to talk about his upbringing, he puts his heads to his clasped hands and says he needs to take a minute. “This is an emotional thing to go through,” he says. “I don’t mind people seeing this because this is what we go through every day of our lives.”

Urlich, of Croatian and Ngāti Kahungunu ki Heretaunga descent, was five when he was separated from his mother and seven siblings, and sent to live with a non-whānau [non-family] caregiver chosen by the state. “That’s when the gates of hell opened up,” he says. “I can tell you, I was far safer in those first five years of my life,” he tells the hearing.

Over the next two years, in the early 2000s, he told the commission he was brutally beaten nearly every day. “I was a child at the mercy of a monster,” he says. “Beyond physical abuse, he was cruel. How anyone could deem him safe to take care of me I don’t understand.”

After one beating, Urlich says his caregiver swung open the door to his room where he lay bleeding and said: “Oh yeah, your dad’s dead by the way”, then slammed the door closed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ri-survivors-of-state-abuse-are-finally-heard

 

[persistent]

But that is what they did to Africa as well.

This is 1950's US music while I get my geography books on Rusgolia and mongosia you will have something to enjoy.

 

[persistent]

Study a bit more geography and you will see why countries are the way they are. Israel sits within the 'fertile crescent' the original cradle of civilisation and where Eden supposedly was between four rivers.

Negev desert may be in Israel. Jordan possibly east of Israel may also have some desert land and then possibly Syria to the NE and Lebanon to the north has a nice flag with Cedar tree then go southwest and Egypt may have some desert land but a big river there lets 100 million people survive oh yea Saudi Arabia is maybe somewhere in that region too and possibly Iraq & Iran. From my previous post which you passed by. Sounds somewhat like California and Mexico. When Elon Musk was talking about going to Mars their were people saying they would go up there to Mars and do their thing by 'terraforming' the planet. Why can't they terraform the deserts and other non productive lands here? Realize this question is rhetorical.

 

[persistent]

The US and Canada "white' govt did a horrible thing to native americans by trying to remove them from the land and sending them to desolate reservations where they could not grow food or hunt and fish seasonally. Then keeping the most productive, arable land to themselves and carving it up so that you had to own a piece. But that is what they did to Africa as well.

Gahé Dzíł / Mountain Spirits

Crisosto Apache

always for my family​

Circling around flames and dancing with the blazes
Encumbering sparks take flight into the night sky,
A swirling twinkle resembling a star crown
Moving into empty canopies resembling ghosts
A threshold colossal structure with rusty bells shakes
the sound of fire sings lingering beyond the flames
sent across the mountain and valleys
These spirits come from the mountains and move towards
the south, between the sacred narrow canyons,
The Sierra Madre Canyon walls sing in their echoes
A medicine reveals a stick and brings the wall down
For the Ndé—the people who wandered into night
Ascending towards the ending sky and onto the lost land
Losing their tongues and eyes they consume the mountain
Air and waters trying to heal all their lungs that bellowed
Outward against the slow breezes and heavy breaths
A hundred years the spirits protected them from
the sixteenth calvary who then believed, in all their hearts,
a good Injun was a dead Injun. Even then the spirits protected
the people for another twenty-seven years until they reached
—their forced destination
A place where cutting their hair died as the spirits watched
The people searched the underground catacombs of St. Augustine
While hearing the waves crash against the stone walls
Outside the thick walls, the people were exposed
To yellow fever and malaria, they died and died
—some survived
After thirty more years the people returned to their homeland
closer to the Skeleton Canyons where an epic scribed
on the mountain walls called back their ancestors
At night the drumming echoed like the murmur inside
Their bodies hearing the loud thumps come and go

In 1986 the people returned to their original place
—entering the ancient canyons
—honoring those killed
—remembering the mountains
At night the sparks fly high as the people hear those rusty bells
and hollow songs —they feel the drums and footsteps reverberate
Inside their veins every time, they look to the mountains

 

[persistent]

The Independent
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World’s deepest hole digger could unlock enough geothermal energy to power the world
Story by Anthony Cuthbertson • 3h ago
Amachine capable of digging the world’s deepest hole could potentially unlock enough renewable energy to power the entire planet, according to its creators.
US-based Quaise Energy is developing a drilling rig that it hopes will reach 16km (10 miles) beneath the Earth’s surface in order to tap “inexhaustible clean energy” from geothermal heat in the crust.
“The total energy content of the heat stored underground exceeds our annual energy demand as a planet by a factor of a billion,” Matt Houde, co-founder of Quaise Energy, said at TedX Boston last week.
“Tapping into a fraction of that is more than enough to meet our energy needs for the foreseeable future.”
The current record for the world’s deepest hole is the Kola borehole in the Arctic Circle, which measures 12.2km deep. It took the USSR more than two decades to drill but was abandoned following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The difficulties of drilling at those depths have meant tapping deep geothermal energy at scale has so far proved impossible.

After boring through softer rock closer to the surface, Quaise Energy replaces traditional drill bits with milimetre wave energy that melts and vaporizes the harder rocks it encounters.
The technique was developed by researchers at MIT 15 years ago, and is finally ready to be taken out of the lab.

Artist’s rendition of the the Quaise drilling rig (Hector Vargas, Quaise Energy)© Provided by The Independent
Several obstacles still remain before record depths can be reached, notably the challenge of removing the ash from the borehole once the rock has been vaporized.
“Our current plan is to drill the first holes in the field in the next few years,” said Houde.
“And while we continue to advance the technology to drill deeper, we will also explore our first commercial geothermal projects in shallower settings.”
If successful Quaise Energy claims that any country on Earth could potentially become energy independent. The firm has already raised more than $63 million in an effort to commercialise the technology.

 

[persistent]

Ive eaten some really bad tasting produce before but as for GMO there isn't actually a GMO seed yet(their working on a purple tomato now though)..

There once was a farmer from Leeds,
Who swallowed a packet of seeds.
It soon came to pass,
He was covered with grass,
But has all the tomatoes he needs.

 

[Magenta]

There once was a farmer from Leeds,
Who swallowed a packet of seeds.
It soon came to pass,
He was covered with grass,
But has all the tomatoes he needs.

Reminds me of "The Lonesome Death of Jordy Verrill" From Stephen King's "The Creep Show"
(Stephen King played Jordy Verrill in this segment of the anthology's movie, which was also
his screenwriting debut). My favorite segment was called "The Crate," with Hal Holbrook,
Fritz Weaver, and Adrienne Barbeau. The one with Leslie Nielsen was pretty good, too

 

[Inquisitor]

It is true that all wars start with economic issues, so in order to be patriotic, we must get off of Middle Eastern fuels, and switch to our own, nationally generated energy.

I think the two biggest produces of oil in the world are the USA and Russia. As far as I know, Saudi Arabia comes in at third place.

Russia also supplies gas to Europe.

China is the biggest producer of coal by a long shot.

The three greatest countries for CO2 emissions, are China, the USA, and India.

 

[Lanolin]

White australia policy was pretty awful for the aborigines and after the treaty of waitiangi nz maori suffered from land wars, yes.

There was never really a time after european contact that was a good time for both cultures. Maybe in the window of the gospel but that didnt last too long before it became corrupted.

also slavery...blackbirding, indentured service etc.

in terms of climate the Tuvaluans, Niueans and Cook Islanders are struggling and most of them have left their islands to live in nz ...there are more of them in Auckland than the islands, because nz has more land, and also because climate change or rising sea levels means they wont have much land left....

 

[Lanolin]

its not carbon emissions that the problem - its actually pollution and contaminants

covid was worse in china because the air is so polluted with dust particles not carbon dioxide , people suffered breathing /respirtatory issues and the virus was worse there because there was already so much in the air it wasnt clean.

plastic particles are also a problem in the sea as it chokes the marine life. Microplastics especially when they are swallowed.

 

[Lanolin]

overcrowding does cause problems when the land cannot cope with so many people esp with inadequate infrastructure and ways to deal with human waste ie, sewage systems. Also roads and stormwater runoff contribute to pollution in the sea and synthetic fertiliser runoff in rivers.

Christians ought to look more into ecosystems to find out how Gods creation works the way He intended it to work before the fall.

 

[Lanolin]

Isnt there a song that goes...

If my people who are known by my name, humble themselves and pray, and search for me and turn from their evil ways, then I will hear from heaven and I will forgive their sin and heal their land.

 

[Lanolin]

Israel is intent on making the desert bloom, with irrigation and permaculture practice you can do that
but its not so good to drain wetlands..wildlife need wetlands as a filter.

California was able to be so successful because of sunny climate and good land however the cities need to steal their water from other places. Also LA suffers from smog

 

[persistent]

Israel is intent on making the desert bloom, with irrigation and permaculture practice you can do that
but its not so good to drain wetlands..wildlife need wetlands as a filter.

California was able to be so successful because of sunny climate and good land however the cities need to steal their water from other places. Also LA suffers from smog

California cleaned up a lot of smog by introducing catalytic converters.

Fresh water resources are problem almost everywhere.

You apparently do 'some' following of environmental conditions. So what was going on in Libya, and particularly while Muammar Gaddafi was in control. I saw something about a canal works. This may have been a source of conflict.

Also, the Sahel region of the Sahara was proposed to plant vegetation by Japan and that didn't go into effect. Was there any potential collusion with foreign countries contrary to US policy involved.

Possibly there is now some others interested in Sahel revegetation. Possibly Muslim dominated?

 

[JohnDB]

Climate change is just a political marketing ploy.

What it has to do with is world energy reserves. They are finite...not infinite.

Quatar used to have lots of oil and natural gas....lots of shopping malls and luxury hotels....now they have depleted the resources and have empty, abandoned malls and sand.

The USA consumes ¼ of the energy but has over 70% of the world economy. However, we do have oil and natural gas....but it's needing to be preserved while exploiting other country's energy reserves. Because one day there will be a tipping point of the finite energy reserves in the ground. We need CHEAP fuel...not just fuel period....and there's a difference.
We can make diesel out of many things...but inexpensive diesel is not just made from anything.

It's requiring drilling in offshore locations and other more expensive locations to provide petroleum products to the world market. If the USA preserves their resources while using them as leverage to control costs of other nation's price for oil and natural gas...it will be a more stable marketplace and peaceful world.

As it is the purchase or embargo of petroleum can have a drastic effect on many of these nations with oil.

While Canada is all consumed with Oil Sands and the Keystone pipeline...it is a low utility petroleum because of the high Sulphur content. PRC barely uses the nasty stuff...and it's full of pollutants that nobody wants in the atmosphere. (Acid rain)

Newer technology needs to be developed for cheap energy...so far we don't have it. We have more efficient energy but not cheap energy.

On the other side of the coin...we only have one planet. Let's not use the dining room or living room as a toilet...we might need them in the future.

 

[JohnDB]

California cleaned up a lot of smog by introducing catalytic converters.

Fresh water resources are problem almost everywhere.

You apparently do 'some' following of environmental conditions. So what was going on in Libya, and particularly while Muammar Gaddafi was in control. I saw something about a canal works. This may have been a source of conflict.

Also, the Sahel region of the Sahara was proposed to plant vegetation by Japan and that didn't go into effect. Was there any potential collusion with foreign countries contrary to US policy involved.

Possibly there is now some others interested in Sahel revegetation. Possibly Muslim dominated?

Currently the Euphates River is almost dry with all the water being pumped out for irrigation and drinking water....it runs all the way from Syria through Turkey and into Iran and Iraq. The Tigris is not in any better shape. Just saying.