Concerning the gift of tongues

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Blain

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perhaps one day I will speak in tongues as well it appears to be a powerful and useful gift and to be able to build the church up and encourage and strengthen the body is the entire reason I set out to be strong as a believer so it seems right up my ally but even if not I will continue to use what I have been given for his kingdom

but it truly is sad to see such unbelief and such aggresive and crude behavior and it is clear what spirit is behind that however it just proves that the gift of tongues stirs even unbelievers
 

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perhaps one day I will speak in tongues as well it appears to be a powerful and useful gift and to be able to build the church up and encourage and strengthen the body is the entire reason I set out to be strong as a believer so it seems right up my ally but even if not I will continue to use what I have been given for his kingdom

but it truly is sad to see such unbelief and such aggresive and crude behavior and it is clear what spirit is behind that however it just proves that the gift of tongues stirs even unbelievers

Yes, the Bible is clear that you SHOULD eagerly seek such gifts from the Holy Spirit. I think you weren't able to receive just yet because you didn't fully understand what it was meant for. But now that you do and have the right attitude about it, you can start eagerly seeking this gift so that you can build up the church and yourself. We all REALLY NEED to be strong in the faith for what is coming. I will pray for you, but I think the Holy Spirit is already more than willing to give this to you!


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Blain

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Yes, the Bible is clear that you SHOULD eagerly seek such gifts from the Holy Spirit. I think you weren't able to receive just yet because you didn't fully understand what it was meant for. But now that you do and have the right attitude about it, you can start eagerly seeking this gift so that you can build up the church and yourself. We all REALLY NEED to be strong in the faith for what is coming. I will pray for you, but I think the Holy Spirit is already more than willing to give this to you!


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yes especially for what is to come it will be needed and we will need to be able to stand strong as well sadly though for people like trustandobey I am not sure they will be prepared all we can do is hope and pray because unbelief will be a huge problem in those days
and yes hopefully I too will recieve the gift even if only for the days to come. you know I had a vision a while back where there was me and another person visiting this small church and I felt the holy spirit lead me to get up on stage and speak not knowing what to say but I obeyed and as soon as I started speaking it was like fire came from my lips and engulfed everyone listening empowering them filling them to the brim with the power and spirit of God I didn't really understand it at the time but now I think I do
 
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Obedience to God and His Commands -- both those that are written and those that are imparted to us telepathically in the moment -- is essential in receiving guidance from His Holy Spirit.

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that OBEY Him.

Is the Holy Spirit a gift? Yes.
Is it bestowed on all of us? Yes, but in measure, based upon our receptiveness to it i.e. our obedience.
Is the Holy Spirit some third character in a "trinity"? No. The Holy Spirit is our telepathic/spiritual connection with God.

God speaks to each of us everyday, and is there for every decision we make, every word we speak, and with each thought that enters our mind. That "hum" you hear in the background of your own mind, when you are calm and at peace (still - Ps. 49:10 KJV) is an audible reminder/anchor point that Father (God) is there.

While Father speaks to all of us, not everyone listens.

And one of the surest ways to block Father out is to let the imagination run wild (Gen. 6:5 KJV), fill the mind up with selfish thoughts, or fill the mind up with religious traditions and superstitions, which make the Commandments of God of no effect (Matt. 15:3-9 KJV).

Anyone can run around and brag that they are "led by the Holy Spirit". But it is our actions that determine IF we are truly led by the Holy Spirit. If they are good, according to what God defines as good, then we are being led by His Holy Spirit. If, on the other hand, our actions are sinful/evil/unlawful, i.e. criminal, then we very obviously are not being led by His Holy Spirit, but are being led by Lucifer/Satan (the devil) instead (Matt. 7:16-20 KJV).

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.
 

Blain

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Obedience to God and His Commands -- both those that are written and those that are imparted to us telepathically in the moment -- is essential in receiving guidance from His Holy Spirit.

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that OBEY Him.

Is the Holy Spirit a gift? Yes.
Is it bestowed on all of us? Yes, but in measure, based upon our receptiveness to it i.e. our obedience.
Is the Holy Spirit some third character in a "trinity"? No. The Holy Spirit is our telepathic/spiritual connection with God.

God speaks to each of us everyday, and is there for every decision we make, every word we speak, and with each thought that enters our mind. That "hum" you hear in the background of your own mind, when you are calm and at peace (still - Ps. 49:10 KJV) is an audible reminder/anchor point that Father (God) is there.

While Father speaks to all of us, not everyone listens.

And one of the surest ways to block Father out is to let the imagination run wild (Gen. 6:5 KJV), fill the mind up with selfish thoughts, or fill the mind up with religious traditions and superstitions, which make the Commandments of God of no effect (Matt. 15:3-9 KJV).

Anyone can run around and brag that they are "led by the Holy Spirit". But it is our actions that determine IF we are truly led by the Holy Spirit. If they are good, according to what God defines as good, then we are being led by His Holy Spirit. If, on the other hand, our actions are sinful/evil/unlawful, i.e. criminal, then we very obviously are not being led by His Holy Spirit, but are being led by Lucifer/Satan (the devil) instead (Matt. 7:16-20 KJV).

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.
tell me what do you think about the gift of tongues? do you think it is still in operation or has it sinced ceased?
 

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:) He's a great theologian.
Either way, if we go with my perspective on what scripture teaches on tongues, everyone here would be speaking in tongues if they believed it.
I assume he shares your perspective regarding tongues but my question was what did Jesus and every epistle except 1 Corinthians teach about tongues?
 

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  • The gift of tongues is for today
  • The gift of tongues did not stop by the time the Bible was completed.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If the disciples were commanded to teach others to observe everything they were taught, then speaking in tongues and teaching others to speak in tongues would be contained in what the disciples taught others to do and to teach others. There could be no expiry date on tongues and other gifts, based on these scriptures.
Mark 16:9-20 is not in the best manuscripts. Please see my question in post #366.
 

PaulThomson

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Mark 16:9-20 is not in the best manuscripts. Please see my question in post #366.
Cou;d you please explain the metrics you are using to designate "the best manuscripts" as "the best manuscripts".
 
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Correction to the previous post: Psalm 46:10 instead of 49:10.

Psalm 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
 
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Cou;d you please explain the metrics you are using to designate "the best manuscripts" as "the best manuscripts".
The verses of Mark 16:9-20 (the verses after verse 16:8) were not in the original manuscripts, and were only added later (which is why they do not match the surrounding text or the rest of the Gospel accounts), hence the reason many rightly doubt their authenticity.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/was-mark-16-9-20-originally-mark-gospel/
 
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tell me what do you think about the gift of tongues? do you think it is still in operation or has it sinced ceased?
How does Father (God) speak to us? Does He speak in words or in complete thoughts that just seem to "come out of the blue"?

Today we have translators at our finger-tips, and Scripture itself has been translated and published into enough of Earth's languages and carried to every nation (by the Two Witnesses). And that's before considering access to Scripture via the internet.

So is there still any NEED today for someone to speak (or to be heard) in another Earth language?

Perhaps the most quoted passage about speaking in other tongues/languages is the one in Acts 2, and even that passage emphasizes the NEED for the audience to be able to understand what was being shared with them (God's Word).

Acts 2:4-21
2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other languages, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man HEARD them speak in his own language.
2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
2:8 And how HEAR we every man in our own language, wherein we were born?
2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and converts,
2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do HEAR them speak in our languages the wonderful works of God.
2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is [but] the third hour of the day.
2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the Prophet Joel;
2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
2:18 And on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
2:19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the Earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
2:20 The "sun" (Psalm 89:34-36) shall be turned into darkness, and the "moon" (which reflects the light of the sun - Psalm 89:37; Eph. 2:12) into blood, before that great and notable Day of the Lord come:
2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 

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also you didn't answer my question what evidence are you looking for?
Again, I am not looking for evidence. This is an issue of prima facie. Just as it was in the 1st century.
 
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We don't have the "original" manuscripts, so how could you state this?
With certainty, as Mark 16:9-20 contradicts previous Scripture and the other Gospel accounts.

If you prefer the word "earlier" manuscripts to "original" that's fine, but it should be self-evident that Mark 16:9-20 was added later (just as parts of Matthew 28:19, the "Johannine comma" and the story of the adulterous woman were added to the Bible later, by the Roman Catholic church).
 

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here is what I think see the thing is the good thing about being online is people tend to show what is truly in their hearts being behind a screen and all from what
This statement is the opposite of truth. People use this media to hide their true intentions, the computer screen is a filter to many.

False persona's are common on the internet.

Are you not aware of "catfishing"?
 

TrustandObey

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If you prefer the word "earlier" manuscripts to "original" that's fine
If?

Words have meaning. Your statement was false.

We do not have the originals of any of the books of the Bible.

The words "earlier" and "original" have two very different meanings.

Your misstatement and your "if you prefer" response shows much about your intention on this subject.
 

Blain

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How does Father (God) speak to us? Does He speak in words or in complete thoughts that just seem to "come out of the blue"?

Today we have translators at our finger-tips, and Scripture itself has been translated and published into enough of Earth's languages and carried to every nation (by the Two Witnesses). And that's before considering access to Scripture via the internet.

So is there still any NEED today for someone to speak (or to be heard) in another Earth language?

Perhaps the most quoted passage about speaking in other tongues/languages is the one in Acts 2, and even that passage emphasizes the NEED for the audience to be able to understand what was being shared with them (God's Word).

Acts 2:4-21
2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other languages, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man HEARD them speak in his own language.
2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
2:8 And how HEAR we every man in our own language, wherein we were born?
2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and converts,
2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do HEAR them speak in our languages the wonderful works of God.
2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is [but] the third hour of the day.
2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the Prophet Joel;
2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
2:18 And on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
2:19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the Earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
2:20 The "sun" (Psalm 89:34-36) shall be turned into darkness, and the "moon" (which reflects the light of the sun - Psalm 89:37; Eph. 2:12) into blood, before that great and notable Day of the Lord come:
2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
whether or not we think it is needed or not doesn't matter the fact the gift still exists and operates means God still has use for it, tongues is not merely another language it has actual power in it I know because I got to experience that power first hand it filled me up and overflowed like a strange sensation of both fire and electricity

We don't always understand why God does or doesn't do things and we certainly cannot tell him what is needed when it comes to the gifts of the spirit after all his ways are not our ways and his thoughts not our thoughts so am I to understand that you believe tongues is not needed or for today?
 

Blain

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Again, I am not looking for evidence. This is an issue of prima facie. Just as it was in the 1st century.
well you mentioned fruit as well what fruit do you expect? and if you don't expect fruit nor evidence even though you mentioned both pertaining to the gift then then aside from your disbelief in the gift or the supernatural what discredits anyone who claims to have the gift?
 

Blain

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This statement is the opposite of truth. People use this media to hide their true intentions, the computer screen is a filter to many.

False persona's are common on the internet.

Are you not aware of "catfishing"?
yes I am aware of catfishing but this isn't dating sites we are talking about here, there is a sense of safety for many behind a screen much of the things said one would not say to someone face to face this is not everyone of course but it is for many

me personally I do not hide anything because I just naturally speak my heart it comes easy to me but maybe not so for some. but you on the other hand have shown plenty in your posts and maybe you are hiding some things maybe you have not shown your entire heart but from what I have seen and from what many others have seen we get a pretty good idea of what you believe and don't believe and that comes from the heart

or maybe I am just being niave here and this only applies to me but personally I think people show who they are online more than you might think every word spoken comes from the heart