Contradiction?

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Grandpa

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I think this is just ONE in a LONG list dealing with the Messiah from OT saints.

Job 19:25 New International Version (NIV)
25 I know that my redeemer[a] lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.[b]
Yes, absolutely.

Does that mean that the future sacrifice and Blood Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ (our redeemer) is of little consequence since it is not mentioned?

Of course, I don't think so. But it is a wonder there isn't more written on it in the OT.
 

preacher4truth

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OH! I get where yer coming from now P4T!
If God didn't want His children fleeced?
He WOULDN'T have made 'em Sheep, eh? :mad:


If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance?
BAFFLE 'em with B.S.!


I'll pray for ya P4T! :)
Your post makes little sense. Sorry but this is often the case. Your attacks and continued insults are quite clear though brother. But go ahead and "pray for me."
 

crossnote

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Of course, I don't think so. But it is a wonder there isn't more written on it in the OT.
I think that has to do more with progressive revelation (no, I don't mean left-wing lol) than any thing else...

Hebrews 1:1-2 NASBS
[1] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, [2] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
 
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Yes, absolutely.

Does that mean that the future sacrifice and Blood Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ (our redeemer) is of little consequence since it is not mentioned?

Of course, I don't think so. But it is a wonder there isn't more written on it in the OT.
I think it was part of the hidden mystery, God needed to hide who this person would be that would suffer on the cross.
 

PennEd

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Gentlemen! Why are the hands hammering the feet? Why are the teeth gnawing the tongue? We're just hurting ourselves and the Lord, whose body we are a part of.

We are all ONE body in Christ. As far as I can see all in this thread believe Jesus Christ is God in the flesh come to die for our sin and was raised again to life!

We can have discussions and even disagreements WITHOUT being disagreeable.
 

NayborBear

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Let me guess, He is saying you are attacking him in some way. And refusing to acknowledge all the times he does that?
Yeah? Something about rocks and glass houses, or winnowing gnats and swallowing camels comes to mind EG!
 

preacher4truth

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Gentlemen! Why are the hands hammering the feet? Why are the teeth gnawing the tongue? We're just hurting ourselves and the Lord, whose body we are a part of.

We are all ONE body in Christ. As far as I can see all in this thread believe Jesus Christ is God in the flesh come to die for our sin and was raised again to life!

We can have discussions and even disagreements WITHOUT being disagreeable.
I said this a few posts back.
 

preacher4truth

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...and more chime in to offer insults and Nayborbear believes him, lolzzzz.

It isn't just the insults, it's the pointing at ones self as innocent while insulting others that is interesting; "Heh, I hate that guy too, I see you hate him as well. I'll join in on insulting him with you, and pretend he insulted you in order to sow discord, bear false witness and cause division. I want to keep this going, this hate and libel for a fellow brother, Keep in mind though, I don't do this myself, I spread love."

Would like nayborbear to be honest, which may be difficult since he's bought in. You've agreed with one of my slandering brothers that I've insulted you while you accept the baseless insult off another without cause. Now, show us all where this actually took place. Or, are you merely complicit in the libel yourself? You Nayborbear have offered several posts insulting me. I've not insulted you or anyone with any name calling or bearing of false witness. If you were to calm down and look at the posts you'd see this fact.

But I digress, you all get in your last word.
 

crossnote

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Gentlemen! Why are the hands hammering the feet? Why are the teeth gnawing the tongue? We're just hurting ourselves and the Lord, whose body we are a part of.

We are all ONE body in Christ. As far as I can see all in this thread believe Jesus Christ is God in the flesh come to die for our sin and was raised again to life!

We can have discussions and even disagreements WITHOUT being disagreeable.
Add two teaspoons of misunderstanding.
One tablespoon of pride.
1/2 cup of false assumptions.
...and you get some HOT Chili!!
 

ForestGreenCook

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We're having a discussion here. As I said, i haven't given this much thought. But it is interesting to see reactions of different people when long held, but possibly not accurate, beliefs are called into question.

Why would you note Matthew 17:22? Why ignore that I went out of my way to say that Jesus DID preach His death, burial and resurrection to His Disciples? Just NOT the Jewish Nation, or leadership.

Of course there isn't 2 Gospels unto Salvation! Stop with insinuating I am saying otherwise. NO ONE is getting Saved without the Blood of Christ. Jesus HAD to die. That's not what is in discussion.

Jesus presented Himself as the Mashiach Nagid, the Messiah the King. The "Good News" that the Kingdom was at hand and present with them! The same news that John the Baptist spread. Had the Jews NOT rejected Him John the Baptist would have been Elijah, and THAT would have been the end of the age.

Of course we KNOW they HAD to reject Him. But Jesus still had to give them opportunity to do it.

So I ask again, when did Jesus preach to the multitudes, the Nation at large, and the Jewish leadership THE Gospel unto Salvation?
I also believe that Christ is presently reigning as King over his kingdom, which is the church that includes all of God's elect. The church is referred to by several different names in the scriptures. The kingdom of God, The church of the first born, the church in the wilderness, The new Jerusalem, The remnant, the few, the church of God, the church of Christ, the city set upon a hill, Zion, and more.
 
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I also believe that Christ is presently reigning as King over his kingdom, which is the church that includes all of God's elect. The church is referred to by several different names in the scriptures. The kingdom of God, The church of the first born, the church in the wilderness, The new Jerusalem, The remnant, the few, the church of God, the church of Christ, the city set upon a hill, Zion, and more.
So you think God is ruling with a rod of Iron right now and satan is bound and unable to decieve the nations?
 
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Gentlemen! Why are the hands hammering the feet? Why are the teeth gnawing the tongue? We're just hurting ourselves and the Lord, whose body we are a part of.

We are all ONE body in Christ. As far as I can see all in this thread believe Jesus Christ is God in the flesh come to die for our sin and was raised again to life!

We can have discussions and even disagreements WITHOUT being disagreeable.
Sadly, Some can not.. To even admit that one of their precious beliefs could be wrong must be to much for some people.
 

ForestGreenCook

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So you think God is ruling with a rod of Iron right now and satan is bound and unable to decieve the nations?
Scripture proves scripture, include all scriptures in your determinations. A big pitfall in understanding the scriptures is too much reference given to the writings of man's interpretations, instead of proving scriptures by the use of comparing the other scriptures.
 
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Scripture proves scripture, include all scriptures in your determinations. A big pitfall in understanding the scriptures is too much reference given to the writings of man's interpretations, instead of proving scriptures by the use of comparing the other scriptures.
You did not answer my question.

Is Jesus ruling with a rod of Iron. And is satan bound no.

Yes or no. And explain why you think that way.
 

NayborBear

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...and more chime in to offer insults and Nayborbear believes him, lolzzzz.

It isn't just the insults, it's the pointing at ones self as innocent while insulting others that is interesting; "Heh, I hate that guy too, I see you hate him as well. I'll join in on insulting him with you, and pretend he insulted you in order to sow discord, bear false witness and cause division. I want to keep this going, this hate and libel for a fellow brother, Keep in mind though, I don't do this myself, I spread love."

Would like nayborbear to be honest, which may be difficult since he's bought in. You've agreed with one of my slandering brothers that I've insulted you while you accept the baseless insult off another without cause. Now, show us all where this actually took place. Or, are you merely complicit in the libel yourself? You Nayborbear have offered several posts insulting me. I've not insulted you or anyone with any name calling or bearing of false witness. If you were to calm down and look at the posts you'd see this fact.

But I digress, you all get in your last word.
Yeah? P4T? I do become offended when I offered almost the entire chapter of Romans 11, in trying to correct your error! And, you come back ACCUSING me, of posting "senseless drivel!"
Because of me calling you out! Because of your REJECTION of the TRUTH concerning Israel's UNBELIEF! Using the gentiles as God's Plan B! In God's PROVOKING Israel to jealousy!
You just COULDN'T HANDLE IT! Could you?

Don't bother replying P4T! Cuz, I'm really tired of your playing "3 card monte", in your "my tongue is longer then your attention span!"

As far as your "spreading love?" If you told me it was sunny outside? I'd be forced to look out the window! Cuz, THAT "kind" of love, is what caused Israel's UNBELIEF from the git go! Not to mention Eve, in the "garden of Eden" incident! And, I say this out of love for ya P4T.
If YOU aren't aware of this? Trust me! The spirit of antichrist is!