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Let me sum it up: They teach Paul preached a different gospel than Jesus, because Jesus didnt go around preaching death burial and resurrection of Jesus. The New Testament didnt begin until Jesus resurrected (death of the testator, but they dont realise that the testament is given while the testator is STILL ALIVE and comes to EFFECT after their death. The testament isnt made AFTER death.. only comes to effect)
Facts: Jesus said AFTER the resurrection in the great commission to go into ALL NATIONS and teach them to keep all that He HAS(past tense) spoken (past tense). Meaning things He taught during His earthly ministry. He didnt say "OH btw im gonna reveal something completely different to Paul, so just ignore the stuff I said its not for the gentile nations, its for jews and stuff".
Jesus and Paul both preached: REPENTANCE AND FAITH.
Proof Paul preached repentance and faith, the same message to JEWS and GENTILES:
Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Let me sum it up: They teach Paul preached a different gospel than Jesus, because Jesus didnt go around preaching death burial and resurrection of Jesus. The New Testament didnt begin until Jesus resurrected (death of the testator, but they dont realise that the testament is given while the testator is STILL ALIVE and comes to EFFECT after their death. The testament isnt made AFTER death.. only comes to effect)
Facts: Jesus said AFTER the resurrection in the great commission to go into ALL NATIONS and teach them to keep all that He HAS(past tense) spoken (past tense). Meaning things He taught during His earthly ministry. He didnt say "OH btw im gonna reveal something completely different to Paul, so just ignore the stuff I said its not for the gentile nations, its for jews and stuff".
Jesus and Paul both preached: REPENTANCE AND FAITH.
Proof Paul preached repentance and faith, the same message to JEWS and GENTILES:
Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
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The many in Matthew and the all in 1 Timothy is talking about the same group of people. There are no contradictions in the inspired scriptures. The group in reference are the elect of God. We have many scriptures telling us that not all will be saved eternally, but in John 6:39 Jesus says that all he died for will live in heaven without the lose of even one. The scriptures are written as a mystery to many of God's elect (don't ask me why, because I do not know the mind of God, except it seems to be his will and God accomplishes all of his will-Dan 4:35). This "ALL" and "MANY" concept is found throughout the scriptures. For instance in John 3:16, The word "world" does not mean all mankind, but only all believers. The word "believeth"-KJV, is present tense, not "will believe" which is future tense. There is a deliverance (which is the Greek interpretation of salvation) in coming unto a knowledge of the truth and that deliverance comes the moment you come to the understanding of the truth, which is different than your eternal deliverance. An example of this same deliverance is fount in Romans 10 when some elect men, who had a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge, and were going about to establish their own righteousness.
The word "many" defines all that father gives to the Son . Not all of the human race . Two different kinds of usage of the word "all'
It would be like purchasing a barrel of pickles out of many barrels as different colored.(All or everyone ofthe barrels) . I would chose the as many that are in the green barrows . Not all of the barrels, every color
It would be like purchasing a barrel of pickles out of many barrels as different colored.(All or everyone ofthe barrels) . I would chose the as many that are in the green barrows . Not all of the barrels, every color
No, it's not "simple" it's complex; it's not not all will obey the Gospel it's that none can obey the Gospel, except God does a work.
You completely misunderstand the text in your Finneyism and Pelagianism.
The only reason they come to God is right in the text; their coming to him was the work of God, not man. It isn't about decisionalism, man having ability, nor free will choosing but due to God working in them to do so, and do so they will; John 6:36-40 and all who come will believe and will be raised. Those who come are then granted eternal salvation.
You completely misunderstand the text in your Finneyism and Pelagianism.
The only reason they come to God is right in the text; their coming to him was the work of God, not man. It isn't about decisionalism, man having ability, nor free will choosing but due to God working in them to do so, and do so they will; John 6:36-40 and all who come will believe and will be raised. Those who come are then granted eternal salvation.
Many (not all, only the elect) be called, but few of the elect to be chosen to receive the knowledge of the truth. All of the elect are saved eternally, but few of the elect are saved (saved = delivered in Greek) chosen to come unto the knowledge of the truth. There is a salvation (deliverance) in coming unto a knowledge of the truth. An example of this is found in Romans 10. The inspired scriptures were written as a mystery to most of God's elect and revealed only to a few.
What new information is being told by John? Was it not always so? Even in the Old Testament? To believe? Jesus said just before the passage you posted:
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Are you denying the mystery which was given to Paul, by Jesus Christ? To preach it unto the gentile first?
Notice: Paul says “mystery”, “my gospel”, “hidden until NOW”, “that ALL nations be saved by grace ALONE”
Romans 16:25-27 King James Version (KJV)
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
But NOW is made manifest to all nations......John was speaking present tense within Christ’s earthly ministry as you can see, Jesus is with him teaching it....Paul, is with the gentiles “after” Christ ascended......you see???? And received a message “after”......why would Paul need “new” information, being given the mystery, if the message was the same, and the gospel already existed? It say, mystery, hidden until NOW
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Are you denying the mystery which was given to Paul, by Jesus Christ? To preach it unto the gentile first?
Notice: Paul says “mystery”, “my gospel”, “hidden until NOW”, “that ALL nations be saved by grace ALONE”
Romans 16:25-27 King James Version (KJV)
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
But NOW is made manifest to all nations......John was speaking present tense within Christ’s earthly ministry as you can see, Jesus is with him teaching it....Paul, is with the gentiles “after” Christ ascended......you see???? And received a message “after”......why would Paul need “new” information, being given the mystery, if the message was the same, and the gospel already existed? It say, mystery, hidden until NOW
What doctrine do I teach that says you are going to hell? I have spoken on the matter before, I have concerns about you feeling sinful (as you have said) I have concerns about not accepting the fullness of grace that have had me ask questions as to wether I truly believed, but I have never said you are going to hell....you owe me an apology, because disagreeing in scripture does not warrant what you just said....
