Counting of Sabbath days
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That's where there is the division:
Did you see it?
Was it cloudy?
Where did you see it from? Jerusalem?
What if the New Moon doesn't appear in your sky until a couple of days later than it actually happened?
Is the New Moon the first visible sliver of the moon, or is it the absence of the moon?
It can get pretty ridiculous pretty fast.
Did you see it?
Was it cloudy?
Where did you see it from? Jerusalem?
What if the New Moon doesn't appear in your sky until a couple of days later than it actually happened?
Is the New Moon the first visible sliver of the moon, or is it the absence of the moon?
It can get pretty ridiculous pretty fast.
It is important to celebrate the feast's finite spiritual details within them So a day here or there is not the main focus as what I can see. So I agree with you in that respect. I am however thinking that there should be no difference in days concerning the feast Sabbaths and the weekly Sabbaths. They should correlate with each other. I think it would be so enlightening if that were practiced, but of course the system of the Gregorian calendar doesn't allow that.
We have scripture telling us one day in seven is blessed by God in a special way for us, and what we are to do about that. We also have scripture that explains exactly what Christ changed for us. There is no scripture that says that Christ changed this that His Father told us about, Christ listened to His Father and obeyed this, and Christ told us to do the same. So, if you are a Christian, why would you tell us to leave God out of your one day of rest so you can devote it to your emotional and physical self? It seems so strange that once a fleshly idea enters a mind, there is no way that the spirit of the Lord can get it out and saying you are so holy that every day is your Sabbath is not logical even, but your flesh could not hear that, we know.
If the 22nd is a Sabbath day in Exodus 16 and also Leviticus 23, the first day of the month would also be a Sabbath day. The new moon begins every month and the Sabbath days are days of rest to do God's work instead of servile work.
Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying , In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation
Numbers 29:1 And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.
2 Chronicles 29:17 Now they began on the first day of the first month to sanctify, and on the eighth day of the month came they to the porch of the LORD: so they sanctified the house of the LORD in eight days; and in the sixteenth day of the first month they made an end.
To me this appears to be 2 Sabbath days and then knowingthat the next day begins at sundown, the 16th would be the first day of the week so they ended at evening on the 15th.
Nehemiah 8:2 And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding , upon the first day of the seventh month.
Leviticus 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying , In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation
Numbers 29:1 And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.
2 Chronicles 29:17 Now they began on the first day of the first month to sanctify, and on the eighth day of the month came they to the porch of the LORD: so they sanctified the house of the LORD in eight days; and in the sixteenth day of the first month they made an end.
To me this appears to be 2 Sabbath days and then knowingthat the next day begins at sundown, the 16th would be the first day of the week so they ended at evening on the 15th.
Nehemiah 8:2 And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding , upon the first day of the seventh month.
It is not stated anywhere that every seventh AFTER a new moon is a Sabbath. We run into great difficulty with this approach. A lunar month is 29 days, 12 hours and 793 parts. Dividing by 7 days and we have 4 seven day weeks and one day, 12 hours and 793 parts left. What do we do with them? The new moon occurs again 1 day, 12 hours and 793 parts after the fourth Sabbath in a month. Do we just ignore this approximately one and one-half days?
No, the weekly cycle is not developed by the new moon. In fact, there is no astronomical indicator for the weekly cycle. It is a continuation from creation of a seven day cycle set in motion by the Creator and is a memorial to Him...
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
No, the weekly cycle is not developed by the new moon. In fact, there is no astronomical indicator for the weekly cycle. It is a continuation from creation of a seven day cycle set in motion by the Creator and is a memorial to Him...
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Well, there is more than one way, the Hebrew calendar as finalized by Hillel II, does not use a sighted new moon to determine the Molad Tishri. It also uses postponements.
Here is an article that explains the calendar pretty well (especially if you are turned toward science and math)
http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/ABC/Hebrew Calendar/Hebrew Calendar_Kossey.pdf
Here is an article that explains the calendar pretty well (especially if you are turned toward science and math)
http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/ABC/Hebrew Calendar/Hebrew Calendar_Kossey.pdf
They are to stand every morning to thank and to praise the LORD, and likewise at evening, and to offer all burnt offerings to the LORD, on the sabbaths, the new moons and the fixed festivals in the number set by the ordinance concerning them, continually before the LORD.
(1 Chronicles 23:30-31)
Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God, dedicating it to Him, to burn fragrant incense before Him and to set out the showbread continually, and to offer burnt offerings morning and evening, on sabbaths and on new moons and on the appointed feasts of the LORD our God, this being required forever in Israel.
(2 Chronicles 2:4)
Thus says the Lord GOD, The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon.
(Ezekiel 46:1)
↑ now that is the old covenant
but today the glory of God has been revealed to us in Christ ↓
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
(Colossians 2:16-17)
Not being a wise guy here but you do realize that the new moon can occur during our daylight hours. If a new moon occurs at 4:00pm and sunset is at 7:00pm, is the first day of the month 3 hours long? There are rules and postponements for this. From the article I referenced previously...
"When the molad Tishri occurs at a time of the week that's
unaffected by the four postponement rules, the Feast of Trumpets is on
the SAME DAY as the molad.
Rule one: When the molad of Tishri occurs AT NOON OR LATER (12 h
0 p or more in your calculations), the Feast of Trumpets is postponed
until the next day.
Rule two: When the molad of Tishri OR a postponement occurs on a
Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday, the Feast of Trumpets is postponed one
day, to a Monday, Thursday, or Sabbath, respectively.
Rule three: When the molad of Tishri of a COMMON YEAR is on a
Tuesday, at or after (3 d) 3 h 204 p the Feast of Trumpets is
postponed to a Wednesday, and by Rule two, further postponed
to a Thursday.
RULE FOUR: When the molad of Tishri of a COMMON year IMMEDIATELY
FOLLOWING an intercalary year occurs on a Monday, at or after (2 d) 9
h 589 p the Feast of Trumpets is postponed to a TUESDAY.
You should take notice that the maximum postponement of Tishri 1
is two days. Also realize that the order of these rules is significant.
They are easiest to apply in the numerical order above. Rule one
governs all afternoon time periods, so rules three and four ONLY AFFECT
A PORTION OF THE MORNINGS."
The Hebrew calendar operates on a 19 year cycle. Seven of those 19 years are intercalary years and have 13 months. The remaining 12 years have 12 months. This calendar resets itself every nineteen years. What does that mean?
Well, you know we have rules that every four years we add a leap day unless certain conditions are met...
"February 29, also known as the leap day of the Gregorian calendar, is a date that occurs in most years that are divisible by 4, such as 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016 and 2020. Years that are divisible by 100, but not by 400, do not contain a leap day; thus 1700, 1800, and 1900 did not contain a leap day while 1600 and 2000 did. Years containing a leap day are called leap years. February 29 is the 60th day of the Gregorian calendar in such a year, with 306 days remaining until the end of the year.
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Also, every year a second or two is dropped out every year. The Solar calendar does not keep very good time...
"The Julian calendar was imperfect - it inserted leap years to frequently. Back in 31 B.C. they supposed the year was exactly 365 1/4 days long, and to take care of the extra one-fourth day each year, added a day to the month of February every four years. But it was found later the year was 12 minutes and 14 seconds shorter than this. Consequently, by the time of Pope Gregory, the calendar had drifted TEN DAYS away from the seasons. The Spring equinox, consequently, fell on March 11th, instead of March 21st.
To correct this, ten days were dropped from the calendar. But they were dropped only from the number of days in the MONTH, not from the number of days in the WEEK. A man named Lilius proposed the method which was adopted in making the change. In the Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 9, p. 251, under article "Lilius," explaining this change, we read: "Thus, every imaginable proposition was made, only one idea was never mentioned, viz., the abandonment of the seventh- day week."
In the Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. III, p. 740, article "Chronology," we read: "It is to be noted that in the Christian period, the order in the days in the week has never been interrupted. Thus, when Gregory XIII reformed the calendar in 1582, Thursday, 4 October was followed by Friday, 15 October. So in England, in 1752, Wednesday, 2 September was followed by Thursday, 14 September."
Since the Catholics changed the calendar, the Catholic Encyclopedia is the best historic authority there is on the question, and is proof positive.
So that the reader may clearly understand it, and SEE how it was worked out on the Calendar, we reproduce below the actual calendar. The change was made in Spain, Portugal, and Italy, in 1582. Here is the calendar for October, 1582!
[TABLE]
OCTOBER 1582 [TR]
[TD] Sun. [/TD]
[TD]Mon.[/TD]
[TD]Tues. [/TD]
[TD]Wed [/TD]
[TD]Thurs.[/TD]
[TD] Fri. [/TD]
[TD] Sat. [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
[TD] 15[/TD]
[TD] 16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 17[/TD]
[TD] 18[/TD]
[TD] 19[/TD]
[TD] 20[/TD]
[TD] 21[/TD]
[TD] 22[/TD]
[TD] 23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 24[/TD]
[TD] 25[/TD]
[TD] 26[/TD]
[TD] 27[/TD]
[TD] 28[/TD]
[TD] 29[/TD]
[TD] 30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 31[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
You will notice how ten days were dropped out. One day was the 4th, and the very next day was the 15th of October. But the 4th was Thursday, and the next day was FRIDAY.
To make it still plainer, the 29th of September that year was a Sabbath, or Saturday. The 30th was Sunday. The 1st of October was Monday, the 2nd was Tuesday, the 3rd was wednesday, the 4th was Thursday, and the next day was Friday, but it was not the 5th, it was the 15th. And the following day was Saturday, the 16th. Actually Saturday, the 16th was just one week of seven days after the preceding Saturday, the 29th of September. There had been exactly seven days, seven sunsets, from one Sabbath to the next. The change in the calendar DID NOT IN ANY WAY CHANGE THE SABBATH, or the succession of the DAYS OF THE WEEK.
Now the British countries refused to change the calendar when the pope ordered it. They continued with the old Julian calendar until 1752. And while their days of the month were different, yet their days of the week were JUST THE SAME AS IN ROME. Those who kept the Sabbath in England kept the same SATURDAY that was called Saturday in Rome. Those who observed Sunday observed the same day, both in Rome where the calendar had been changed, and in London where it had not.
The English countries changed the calendar in 1752. By that time it was necessary to drop out 11 days. The change was made in September as follows:
[TABLE]
SEPTEMBER 1752 [TR]
[TD] Sun. [/TD]
[TD] Mon.[/TD]
[TD] Tues.[/TD]
[TD] Wed.[/TD]
[TD]Thurs.[/TD]
[TD] Fri. [/TD]
[TD] Sat. [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 14[/TD]
[TD] 15[/TD]
[TD] 16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 17[/TD]
[TD] 18[/TD]
[TD] 19[/TD]
[TD] 20[/TD]
[TD] 21[/TD]
[TD] 22[/TD]
[TD] 23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 24[/TD]
[TD] 25[/TD]
[TD] 26[/TD]
[TD] 27[/TD]
[TD] 28[/TD]
[TD] 29[/TD]
[TD] 30[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Now in Russia, the calendar was never changed until just recently, IN OUR OWN LIFETIME. Consequently, in the year 1907, the day that we called the 14th of August, the Russians called the 1st of August. Our calendars were 13 days apart. Yet in BOTH countries, we both called that same day SATURDAY. In BOTH countries, SATURDAY fell on the same day of the week. The calendar has since been changed in Russia. And still their Sunday is our Sunday, their Saturday is our Saturday. For reference, see above article, "Chronology," Catholic Encyclopedia. And so we see that the calendar that has been IN EFFECT SINCE 31 B.C. - prior to the birth of Christ, proves that there has never been any change in the weekly cycle from the time of Christ until now. The SATURDAY of today is the same Seventh day of the week as it was in CHRIST'S time. We can, therefore, be sure we keep the same Sabbath day that Christ kept, setting us an example - the same day He said He was LORD of. (Mark 2:28) " - Has Time Been Lost?
Whereas the Solar calendar is not accurate because it demands a certain number of hours in a day, the lunar calendar does not. The lunar calendar is based on days that run from sunset to sunset.
"When the molad Tishri occurs at a time of the week that's
unaffected by the four postponement rules, the Feast of Trumpets is on
the SAME DAY as the molad.
Rule one: When the molad of Tishri occurs AT NOON OR LATER (12 h
0 p or more in your calculations), the Feast of Trumpets is postponed
until the next day.
Rule two: When the molad of Tishri OR a postponement occurs on a
Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday, the Feast of Trumpets is postponed one
day, to a Monday, Thursday, or Sabbath, respectively.
Rule three: When the molad of Tishri of a COMMON YEAR is on a
Tuesday, at or after (3 d) 3 h 204 p the Feast of Trumpets is
postponed to a Wednesday, and by Rule two, further postponed
to a Thursday.
RULE FOUR: When the molad of Tishri of a COMMON year IMMEDIATELY
FOLLOWING an intercalary year occurs on a Monday, at or after (2 d) 9
h 589 p the Feast of Trumpets is postponed to a TUESDAY.
You should take notice that the maximum postponement of Tishri 1
is two days. Also realize that the order of these rules is significant.
They are easiest to apply in the numerical order above. Rule one
governs all afternoon time periods, so rules three and four ONLY AFFECT
A PORTION OF THE MORNINGS."
The Hebrew calendar operates on a 19 year cycle. Seven of those 19 years are intercalary years and have 13 months. The remaining 12 years have 12 months. This calendar resets itself every nineteen years. What does that mean?
Well, you know we have rules that every four years we add a leap day unless certain conditions are met...
"February 29, also known as the leap day of the Gregorian calendar, is a date that occurs in most years that are divisible by 4, such as 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016 and 2020. Years that are divisible by 100, but not by 400, do not contain a leap day; thus 1700, 1800, and 1900 did not contain a leap day while 1600 and 2000 did. Years containing a leap day are called leap years. February 29 is the 60th day of the Gregorian calendar in such a year, with 306 days remaining until the end of the year.
[/FONT] - Wikipedia
Also, every year a second or two is dropped out every year. The Solar calendar does not keep very good time...
"The Julian calendar was imperfect - it inserted leap years to frequently. Back in 31 B.C. they supposed the year was exactly 365 1/4 days long, and to take care of the extra one-fourth day each year, added a day to the month of February every four years. But it was found later the year was 12 minutes and 14 seconds shorter than this. Consequently, by the time of Pope Gregory, the calendar had drifted TEN DAYS away from the seasons. The Spring equinox, consequently, fell on March 11th, instead of March 21st.
To correct this, ten days were dropped from the calendar. But they were dropped only from the number of days in the MONTH, not from the number of days in the WEEK. A man named Lilius proposed the method which was adopted in making the change. In the Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 9, p. 251, under article "Lilius," explaining this change, we read: "Thus, every imaginable proposition was made, only one idea was never mentioned, viz., the abandonment of the seventh- day week."
In the Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. III, p. 740, article "Chronology," we read: "It is to be noted that in the Christian period, the order in the days in the week has never been interrupted. Thus, when Gregory XIII reformed the calendar in 1582, Thursday, 4 October was followed by Friday, 15 October. So in England, in 1752, Wednesday, 2 September was followed by Thursday, 14 September."
Since the Catholics changed the calendar, the Catholic Encyclopedia is the best historic authority there is on the question, and is proof positive.
So that the reader may clearly understand it, and SEE how it was worked out on the Calendar, we reproduce below the actual calendar. The change was made in Spain, Portugal, and Italy, in 1582. Here is the calendar for October, 1582!
[TABLE]
OCTOBER 1582 [TR]
[TD] Sun. [/TD]
[TD]Mon.[/TD]
[TD]Tues. [/TD]
[TD]Wed [/TD]
[TD]Thurs.[/TD]
[TD] Fri. [/TD]
[TD] Sat. [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
[TD] 15[/TD]
[TD] 16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 17[/TD]
[TD] 18[/TD]
[TD] 19[/TD]
[TD] 20[/TD]
[TD] 21[/TD]
[TD] 22[/TD]
[TD] 23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 24[/TD]
[TD] 25[/TD]
[TD] 26[/TD]
[TD] 27[/TD]
[TD] 28[/TD]
[TD] 29[/TD]
[TD] 30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 31[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
You will notice how ten days were dropped out. One day was the 4th, and the very next day was the 15th of October. But the 4th was Thursday, and the next day was FRIDAY.
To make it still plainer, the 29th of September that year was a Sabbath, or Saturday. The 30th was Sunday. The 1st of October was Monday, the 2nd was Tuesday, the 3rd was wednesday, the 4th was Thursday, and the next day was Friday, but it was not the 5th, it was the 15th. And the following day was Saturday, the 16th. Actually Saturday, the 16th was just one week of seven days after the preceding Saturday, the 29th of September. There had been exactly seven days, seven sunsets, from one Sabbath to the next. The change in the calendar DID NOT IN ANY WAY CHANGE THE SABBATH, or the succession of the DAYS OF THE WEEK.
Now the British countries refused to change the calendar when the pope ordered it. They continued with the old Julian calendar until 1752. And while their days of the month were different, yet their days of the week were JUST THE SAME AS IN ROME. Those who kept the Sabbath in England kept the same SATURDAY that was called Saturday in Rome. Those who observed Sunday observed the same day, both in Rome where the calendar had been changed, and in London where it had not.
The English countries changed the calendar in 1752. By that time it was necessary to drop out 11 days. The change was made in September as follows:
[TABLE]
SEPTEMBER 1752 [TR]
[TD] Sun. [/TD]
[TD] Mon.[/TD]
[TD] Tues.[/TD]
[TD] Wed.[/TD]
[TD]Thurs.[/TD]
[TD] Fri. [/TD]
[TD] Sat. [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD] 14[/TD]
[TD] 15[/TD]
[TD] 16[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 17[/TD]
[TD] 18[/TD]
[TD] 19[/TD]
[TD] 20[/TD]
[TD] 21[/TD]
[TD] 22[/TD]
[TD] 23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 24[/TD]
[TD] 25[/TD]
[TD] 26[/TD]
[TD] 27[/TD]
[TD] 28[/TD]
[TD] 29[/TD]
[TD] 30[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Now in Russia, the calendar was never changed until just recently, IN OUR OWN LIFETIME. Consequently, in the year 1907, the day that we called the 14th of August, the Russians called the 1st of August. Our calendars were 13 days apart. Yet in BOTH countries, we both called that same day SATURDAY. In BOTH countries, SATURDAY fell on the same day of the week. The calendar has since been changed in Russia. And still their Sunday is our Sunday, their Saturday is our Saturday. For reference, see above article, "Chronology," Catholic Encyclopedia. And so we see that the calendar that has been IN EFFECT SINCE 31 B.C. - prior to the birth of Christ, proves that there has never been any change in the weekly cycle from the time of Christ until now. The SATURDAY of today is the same Seventh day of the week as it was in CHRIST'S time. We can, therefore, be sure we keep the same Sabbath day that Christ kept, setting us an example - the same day He said He was LORD of. (Mark 2:28) " - Has Time Been Lost?
Whereas the Solar calendar is not accurate because it demands a certain number of hours in a day, the lunar calendar does not. The lunar calendar is based on days that run from sunset to sunset.
lol! i think you are correct, and i know my appreciation for many things is lacking
Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.
(Romans 14:6)
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
The first thing we see here is that this chapter is about relating to a weak brother.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
The subject here? Vegetarianism
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
So, if you encounter one who is weak in the faith and believes he must eat vegetables only, don’t let this puff you up…
2Co 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
What is the gold standard here?
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Now to the meat and potatoes…
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Why is eating and fasting (not eating) connected to days here? Let’s see…
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
From Bullingers Companion Bible…
Luke 18:12
twice in the week. The law prescribed only one in the year (Lev_16:29. Num_29:7). By the time of Zec_8:19 there were four yearly fasts. In our Lord's day they were bi-weekly (Monday and Thursday), between Passover and Pentecost; and between the Feast of Tabernacles and the Dedication.
Yes they fasted two days a week, Monday and Thursday, EVERY MONDAY and EVERY THURSDAY.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Now Paul shifts his attention to meat offered to idols. At the time, meat and drink were offered to pagan idols. After it was offered it was sold in a meat market called the ‘Shambles’.
1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
Shambles…
G3111
μάκελλον
makellon
Thayer Definition:
1) a place where meat and other articles of food are sold, meat market
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Latin origin [macellum]
Citing in TDNT: 4:370, 549
There were those who were weak in the faith (verse 1) who were offended by this. They somehow thought that eating that food was somehow connecting them with the idolatrous practices around them. This is why the following is written…
Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Meat here is…
G1035
βρῶσις
brōsis
bro'-sis
From the base of G977; (abstractly) eating (literally or figuratively); by extension (concretely) food (literally or figuratively): - eating, food, meat.
Notice it is food, not clean or unclean flesh.
G4213
πόσις
posis
pos'-is
From the alternate of G4095; a drinking (the act), that is, (concretely) a draught: - drink.
Drinking, can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverages. Paul was dealing with ascetism and the belief that doing without was somehow a show of character. He dealt with this issue at Colossae also…
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
The word for meat here is broma, from Thayer’s…
G1033
βρῶμα
brōma
Thayer Definition:
1) that which is eaten, food
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G977
Citing in TDNT: 1:642, 111
Again, we are dealing with food.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
So, it is not dealing with clean and unclean, but with flesh (meat) and wine (drink) that makes a weak brother stumble.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
There is no passage in Rom 14 that deals with the Sabbath or clean and unclean meats. The subjects are vegetarianism, fasting and food and drink offered to idols.
J
lol! i think you are correct, and i know my appreciation for many things is lacking
Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.
(Romans 14:6)