Covenant with many

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Locoponydirtman

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“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: ( Jesus rejection and crucifixion )

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; ( the Roman Empire who destroyed and burned Jerusalem shortly after Jesus died and scattered the people o to all nations the Jewish dispersia )

and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week ( three and a half is half of seven referencing the messiah bekng cut off ) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”( Rome ended the daily sacrifice when they overtook Jerusalem beforehand )
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when Jerusalem rejected the messiah is what that’s about the time examples aren’t literal ther are based on the number seven it’s why there’s always three and a half that pops up three and a half weeks , three and a half years , times time and a half …… seven is completion three and a half is half or a division ot represents 3 and a half , nt represents 3 and a half . In both Daniel and revelation
Very good explanation. I appreciate it quite a lot.
 

Evmur

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Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week;

And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week:

“Then the future ruler will make an agreement with many people.

He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]

This is the future antichrist we are talking about here most likely giving a peace and security agreement with Israel. My question is where is America?? Israel doesn't do much without checking with us. Someone has stepped in to replace America? Did America fall either by civil strife or war?

What say ye?
America is in quite an advanced state of implosion, I don't have to be a prophet to tell you this but a nation so bitterly [and utterly] divided as America is cannot possibly stand. As an Englishman this gives me cause to tremble for when America collapses we go down with America. And if the Jews have fled back home Israel will become a super power. This how they are able to be strong enough to make a pact with Antichrist.

Antichrist comes from a re invigorated nation from the ancient world.
 

Omegatime

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America is in quite an advanced state of implosion, I don't have to be a prophet to tell you this but a nation so bitterly [and utterly] divided as America is cannot possibly stand. As an Englishman this gives me cause to tremble for when America collapses we go down with America. And if the Jews have fled back home Israel will become a super power. This how they are able to be strong enough to make a pact with Antichrist.

Antichrist comes from a re invigorated nation from the ancient world.
Quite an insight Evmur
 

DRobinson

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^ @DRobinson ,

I just have one last question for you:

Do you believe that Zechariah 14 (chapter) is speaking of "FUTURE" things (meaning, future to us presently)?


A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice, if you care to respond to this question. = ) If not, that's fine too.

Thanks.


-- [the text of Zech14] https://biblehub.com/kjv/zechariah/14.htm




... just wondering your thoughts about this ("future" to us, or not).






[Note for the readers: the phrase "IN THAT DAY" repeated several times throughout this chapter]
One last response to you-----Zech 14 is a future event. After the return of Jesus.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Very good explanation. I appreciate it quite a lot.
yeah read this parable it helps understand ot israel and the messiahs rejection and the consequence

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

And the husbandmen took his servants, ( early prophets ) and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: ( latter messianic prophets) and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, ( messiah ) saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.( messiah was rejected and cut off )

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?


Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

isreals desolation began on 67 ad

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, ( people of the prince who came rome s armies 67 ad ) then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Wansvic

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The Lord told Daniel that what he wrote would not be understood until the time of the end. (Dan 12:8-9) This shows God reserved the understanding of Daniel's vision for the end time generation as a weapon for revival. Prophecy produces faith, and faith is what dispels darkness. Jesus said I tell you things so when they come about you will believe.

The belief in Preterism will hinder the purpose God intended for those living in the end time. If a person believes the prophecies have already occurred they could be blinded to what is staring them straight in the face.

Who confirms the covenant? Preterist say Jesus.
Daniel 9:27,11:30-32 indicates it is the antichrist.
Matt 24:15 - Jesus spoke of only 1 future abomination of desolation as spoken of in the book of Daniel.
Daniel 9:25-26 - Messiah cut off, and afterward the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Who is the prince of the Romans? The antichrist who will rule over a revived Roman Empire; the Holy Roman Empire. (See Daniel 9:27)

The antichrist shall corrupt by flatteries those who do wickedly against the covenant. BUT the people that do know their God shall be strong and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.(Dan. 11:32-33)

Preterists teach that the abomination of desolation occurred in 70 A.D.
Yet, Jesus said the abomination of desolation would mark the BEGINNING of the Great Tribulation. (this occurs at the 3 1/2 year mark of the prophesied 7 year tribulation) (Matt. 24)

Dan. 7:25 little horn (antichrist) makes war for a time, times and a dividing of time. 3 1/2 yrs (= 42 months)
Rev 13:5 power given to the beast for 42 months to make war with the saints and prevail against them.
Rev 12 dragon (Satan) makes war against the woman (Israel) for time, times and 1/2 time. Intervention by Eagles wings brings her to safety, etc.

Jesus responds to 3 questions asked by His disciples; When shall these things be? What sign? And the end of the age? His answers cover the time frame from the destruction until the rapture of the church. (Matt 24)


When was the antichrist destroyed? Dan. 7:11-12, Rev 19:19-20
Nations existing at the time of the end as seen in each country's recognized symbol: Lion-Great Britain, Bear-Russia, Leopard-Germany, Eagles wings-America. The 10 horn beast could easily be seen as the European Union.

Daniel's vision depicts Lion with eagle wings, and in Revelation the wings are no longer on the Lion. Why? It could very well be because America was part of Great Britain until 1776. America's symbol is the Eagle.

Some prophecy teachers say Lion=Babylon Bear=Media Persia Leopard= Greece, 10 horn=Rome Even though bible contradicts this teaching. See Daniel 8:20-21: Media-Persia is the ram, Greece is the rough goat.

Revelation was written in 95-96 during the reign of Domitian. No historical evidence that the Book of Revelation was written prior to 70 AD. John wrote about the things that were, that are, and the things that shall be hereafter.

The antichrist comes up among 10 king and uproots 3. Ten kings are part of the Holy Roman Empire (Dan. 2:41-44) Holy Roman Empire was not born until 800 AD.

Iron legs of statue = 1 political and 1 spiritual leader
Toes of iron mingled with clay = Holy Roman Empire
Toes=kings


Matt. 24:29-31 immediately after the tribulation of those days... then shall appear the sign in heaven, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.