Creation, The Flood, And Millions Of Years
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was the king of Babylon literally a head of gold? I don't think so LOL so immediately you start with what is figurative. in other words 'signs' LOL just like Revelation
I wonder why you chose the easy bit? LOL is the rest too complicated?
I wonder why you chose the easy bit? LOL is the rest too complicated?
Did the beasts represent literal kingdoms or nfigurative?
Did these kingdoms (except for the last part of the 4th kingdom) literally fulfill what was said about them?
I think it is getting obvious you just wish to argue things. Your not making any sense at all. I can not believe you are actually that gullible
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,
-God gave this revelings to Jesus Christ
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
-things in the future, leading up to the return of Christ to rule with a rod of iron.
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
-where do you see signs from this word signified?
the message sent throught an angel to John, recorded for us today to read.
2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
[and keep those things] which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
-and keep those things....
-God gave this revelings to Jesus Christ
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
-things in the future, leading up to the return of Christ to rule with a rod of iron.
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
-where do you see signs from this word signified?
the message sent throught an angel to John, recorded for us today to read.
2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
[and keep those things] which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
-and keep those things....
The head of gold was figurative. There was no head of gold. It was a dream. The kingdom that it represented was a literal kingdom, but it was not literally gold. So you have to use discernment.
I find it difficult to believe that you are as rude as you have proved to be, but you have to take life as you find it.
The point is that in ALL Scripture you have to distinguish the figurative from the literal. That is what you literalists fail to recognise. You ignore the New Testament so that you can literalise the Old. But looking at the use of the Old Testament in the New it is quite clear that the New Testament writers did not take the old word for word literally.
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Oh you mean you finally agree with me, that God used symbols to represent literal things??
Yes your right, we have to distinguish.
But when it comes to prophesy we do not have to do that Prophesy has to be interpreted literally (even if symbols are used to represent a literal thing) or the prophesy is useless.
The problem with you people is the literal interpretations do not line up with your beliefs so you take it to mean symbols and allegories.
ell if that is the case. i can make the bible say whatever I want it to.
I have emboldened to make it simple for you. now can you see? semeion = a sign. so semaino means literally to indicate by signs. Its simple really.
the message sent throught an angel to John, recorded for us today to read.
yes and blessed are those who recognise that it is a book of symbols and interpret it accordingly. Then they observe it properly. Of course the symbols point to literal events. ANY symbol point to something literal. That is its purpose. But there is no book in the Bible more misused and misinterpreted than Revelation. An the joke is that everyone thinks he is right LOL
the message sent throught an angel to John, recorded for us today to read.
yes and blessed are those who recognise that it is a book of symbols and interpret it accordingly. Then they observe it properly. Of course the symbols point to literal events. ANY symbol point to something literal. That is its purpose. But there is no book in the Bible more misused and misinterpreted than Revelation. An the joke is that everyone thinks he is right LOL
now you ARE simply being stupid. ALL symbolism points to literal things. I have never said otherwise. But that does not mean that we have to take it all literally. Your problem is that you cannot discern between the two.
Good at last you agree.
But prophecy is more complicated than you try to make it. God was prophesying the whole of the future, and the prophecies have to be read discerningly, and not all aspects of the prophecy will all be fulfilled at one time. The New Testament does not 'take prophecy literally'. It is very selective and selects out what is fulfilled when. Take Matthew's 'that it might be fulfilled' prophecies. They were not literally fulfilled prophecies. They were interpretive prophecies.
No the problem is that they do not line up with the New Testament. You just shut your eyes towards what the New Testament SAYS. YOU don't take the New Testament literally. The New Testament makes clear that we have to interpret the Old Testament selectively and realise that the prophets spoke in terms understandable in their own day, but were actually revealing deeper truths.
I have noticed that you do LOL
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the difference between you and me is that you do not read deeply into things. I don't suppose you have ever really considered the context of prophecies that are cited. You simply assume that they are literal fulfilments when they are not.
For example 'out of Egypt have I called my son' (Matt 2.15) was not initially a prophecy of Messiah coming out of Egypt as even a cursory look at Hosea 11. would tell you. It is a much more complicated prophecy than that. I will leave you to work out the connections. But it was certainly not a clear prophecy 'literally fulfilled' .
For example 'out of Egypt have I called my son' (Matt 2.15) was not initially a prophecy of Messiah coming out of Egypt as even a cursory look at Hosea 11. would tell you. It is a much more complicated prophecy than that. I will leave you to work out the connections. But it was certainly not a clear prophecy 'literally fulfilled' .
lol well he wrote it.
now you are just being silly. of course what they represented will come true. that is why they were supplied. but that is not in any way 'literal fulfilment' unless the words mean something else in America.
I fail to see the connection. but if that is your logic no wonder you go so badly wrong..
signify G4591
σημαίνω sēmaínō, say-mah'-ee-no; from σῆμα sēma (a mark; of uncertain derivation);
to indicate:—signify. to make known
Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified G4591 it by his angel unto his servant John
Jhn 12:33
This he said, signifying G4591 what death he should die.
Jhn 18:32
That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying G4591 what death he should die.
Jhn 21:19
This spake he, signifying G4591 by what death he should glorify God.
And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
Act 11:28
And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified G4591 by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
Act 25:27
For it seemeth to me unreasonable to send a prisoner, and not withal to signify G4591 the crimes laid against him.
the Bible does NOT say that they had not eaten of the tree of life. What was banned was their future eating of it. It simply says that they would no longer be able to eat of it. Had the eating been a once for all thing they would already have done it. It rather provided continual nourishment.
But the point remains. THIS PROVES THAT ADAM AND EVE WERE CORRUPTIBLE AND PERISHABLE before the Fall
But the point remains. THIS PROVES THAT ADAM AND EVE WERE CORRUPTIBLE AND PERISHABLE before the Fall
