Creflo Dollar's Jet

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Creflo Dollar sermons from his website - See if you recognise Jesus and his ethics and ideals here - I do not


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Poverty is not the will of God for any Believer. However, there are Christians who have taken a "vow of poverty" because they believe that poverty is a part of being holy and righteous.


You were made wealthy and rich before you came into existence. You've been predestined to prosper financially.


You have every right to possess material wealth—clothes, jewelry, houses, cars and money—in abundance. It is that wealth that not only meets your needs, but also spreads the Gospel message and meets the needs of others.


Because I am the righteousness of God, angels have been sent to minister to me. They respond to the Word of God which I speak. Therefore, I loose angels with the words of my mouth.


I say today, let the Lord be magnified who takes pleasure in my prosperity. In the name of Jesus, I command the angels to bring to me prosperity in my spirit, in my home, in my body, in my family life, and in my finances.


I declare promotion and command the angels to bring promotion into my life. I have a blood-bought covenant promise from God Almighty to multiply exceedingly.
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Now when do we ever, I mean ever, command angels over anything? Show me one verse in scripture where this happens.

Angels are sent by God to bring a message to people about what to do in the will of the Lord, not to exercise the will of mortal man in aquiring wealth. This is pure selfish greed in its most blatent form and teaching "christians" to do likewise.

It is insane, apart from anything.
2 Corinthians 11: 13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 
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You are correct.

But those who are born of the Holy Spirit will get something from Gods Word even if it is not the special twist from the pulpit of the corpse...

That is why Gods Own People can be in all sorts of different denominations. In spite of a denominations teachings sometimes, a person can be born again of the Holy Spirit by their own studying of scripture and prayer.
True, it's the word of God that saves, and it could come from a charlatan's lips, though leading into all truth will not happen of such "pastors."
 
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I dont know enough about Dollar to speak about him. All I can say is this,he does not need a jet to do ministry for the Lord.
As if there are no airlines. I get thirsty on road trips, need to name and claim a Bentley, equipped with a combination juice bar and soda fountain, with 24K gold plated levers and nozzles, would otherwise have to fill a thermos or stop at a Mini Mart. Should I post my name it and claim it P.O. Box, seeing as how, as per the usual protocol, I've named you and claimed you to pay for it all?
 

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I found it strange back then that my grandad was a Christian his whole life but in the end his focus was on money. Now I understand the verse...where your treasure is..there your heart will be also. Thinking about that, it's obvious that your heart follows what you put importance on...not the other way around.
I guess I am blessed. My dad's whole life was money. Making it, saving it, investing it. (But never spending it, even on himself.) Then his heart began to fail. He ended up in hospital. My husband and I were able to lead him to the Lord. After that, he just wanted to pray, have me read the Bible and hear Christian music. This at 83! He was witnessing to the hospital staff. One day he said to me, "I spent my life chasing money, and I didn't realize that life was about God, instead!"

He died 5 months later - he is with his Lord and Saviour now. Praise God for his mercy, love and that he saved a hardened man like my father.
 
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I guess I am blessed. My dad's whole life was money. Making it, saving it, investing it. (But never spending it, even on himself.) Then his heart began to fail. He ended up in hospital. My husband and I were able to lead him to the Lord. After that, he just wanted to pray, have me read the Bible and hear Christian music. This at 83! He was witnessing to the hospital staff. One day he said to me, "I spent my life chasing money, and I didn't realize that life was about God, instead!"

He died 5 months later - he is with his Lord and Saviour now. Praise God for his mercy, love and that he saved a hardened man like my father.
That's simply wonderful, as He is, a big praise the Lord! As a matter of fact, need to do a big one,

Praise the Lord!
 
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Gee, I wish they'd start a Forum for Whacko movements, cults and other Bizarro phenomenon that attempts passing for biblical Christianity.
It would be empty since they believe their mainstream and not Whacko or Bizarro.
 
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It would be empty since they believe their mainstream and not Whacko or Bizarro.
Good point. Maybe there's a way of luring some, name the forum, "For God's Exclusive Creatures Only." Or, "Where the Lord Comes for Advice and Correction." Maybe just, "Won't Hear It Anywhere Else?"
 
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Seeing a thread about Joyce Meyer, there's something I've never understood, about name it and claim it, about prosperity gospel. You are are supposed to be "sowing that seed" with your "love offerings" to that sanctified Post Office box, $10 from a widow, who's skimping on her medicine, needed to help build that swimming pool? The widow you promised a hundred fold return? Needed to buy that jet?

Like Creflo Dollar says he needs a $65,000,000 jet. Why doesn't Creflo Dollar give away $650,000 to the poor or some churches, and buy his jet with his hundred fold return? That would only cost him the equivalent of a few Bentleys and baubles, like Rolex watches. If only enough mojo for a ten fold return, he could double-down once, right?

Better still, why don't they just simplify everything, and name and claim their swimming pools and jets? Why all the money grubbing, as if what they teach doesn't work? Seems if there were any truth in what they're saying, I'd be advertising for people needing free money after every pitch, oops, I mean, sermon, couldn't give it away fast enough! Maybe name and claim that bigger mansion. Shoot! No offense meant to builders, I'd just name and claim the Taj Mahal, except does anybody know if it has indoor plumbing?

There are so many things that just don't make sense of all sorts of doctrines, which you don't get any satisfying answers to. I wonder why this is?

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


(Wonder if they ever get spooked over camels and eye of needle scripture? Just sayin'... Next: If Creflo Dollar were Mexican, would he be Creflo Peso? Or Vietnamese, Creflo Dong?)
Great post! Yeah why don't they just "Blab it and Grab it"? They could still run their so called ministries on far less.

If I remember correctly from my thread on Creflo and his jet, he said he needed it so he could transport a 100,000 pounds of food on his mission work. It really infuriated seasoned pilots that said there is no way the jet he wanted could haul that much food, soooo, Creflo lied from the git go.

Powerful passage!

Matthew 7:21-23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It is sad for those that don't know their Bible and fall for these demonic ministries, but, for those that do know and turn a deaf ear:


For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned nto fables. 2Timothy 4:3,4

Like I said before the carnal mind wants what it wants.
 
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Yeah why don't they just "Blab it and Grab it"? They could still run their so called ministries on far less.
rolling-on-the-floor-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif That's too much! Yes, about time to start WOB churches, of the Word of Blab movement.
 

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Luke 6:36-37 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

[SUP]37 [/SUP] Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:



It is a large lie that Creflo preaches a false gospel. Such claims are making for me CCHat a hard place to visit and be blessed. 600 people died listening to lies like that from Jim Jones. Satan is the accuser, and has many ears eagerly listening. He would love to bring Creflo Dollar down likehe did Job, but that won't happen.

We record the World Changers weekly TV service along with other favorite ministries so we can watch them after church or while on the road. I've never heard Creflo begging or pressuring anyone on TV. I don't trust YouTube, seeing many sermons by all major preachers are altered to suit a critic's intent. There's a lot of statements shown out of context.

At the Atlanta meetings we find a typical church setting with all the usual events. There comes a offering time, and all the current projects and opportunities to join in are presented very professionally, no begging or pressuring. Visitors are encouraged to tithe to their home church, please, then gladly give an offering there of any amount. Got financial problems? Stay a while and get help. Maybe you need enough gas in the car to get home. Need help getting your ex to keep child support payments coming? They can link you up with help. Hang around at close of service to meet the biggest, friendliest crowd in America. You might want to move to Atlanta to join them. They are happy, prosperous, and love to give to those that need. It's their extreme delight to know millions of dollars are going out to ministries around the world.

Our local church can't do much like they can, just not having that big spark plug catching us on fire like Creflo does.

Creflo preaches and teaches pure New Testament gospel in its entirety. His books present gospel truth too. Nothing is left out, leaving nothing unknown about Jesus that can be known.

From the comments on the 11 Christian sites I look at, the complainers obviously don't know the man and ministry they condemn. I think the main reason few condemn Billy Graham, with a net worth of 25 million, having solicited offerings every service, is people are more familiar with his ministry and just love the man.

Try reading up some basic facts about Creflo at http://www.worldchangerschurchnewyork.org/bio_t.aspx

My Bible indicates that judging the man is sin, and can bring upon a condemner the same condemnation we utter. I've watched once fine, dedicated Christians rumble into ruined health and broken finances following bitterness against ministers. Even if you don't speak your mind against them, somehow the devil just finds out, and you get judged. We're supposed to pray for them, love even our enemies.

I've only been to the Atlanta church of about 6,000 members, so can't testify about the dozens of satellite churches World Changers has in the US. We want to visit the Dallas congregation this summer. I do know each of them expect Creflo to come by. Like Billy Graham, Creflo has a ministry team that goes with him, along with lots of equipment for places where a good sound system is needed. None of that is practical when traveling daily on commercial flights that are not available when the team and equipment must be moved hours after a meeting to the next one. Lots of destinations don't have direct flights. Whenever we fly we have frequent temporary delays in luggage getting to us.

What you probably don't know is WChangers is shooting for 500 churches world-wide, and it's happening. The plane will get them wherever they are supposed to go, and when, a lot cheaper and more efficiently.

Critics of ministers that are actually building churches world-wide are tools of the Devil, who hates the idea of spreading the gospel that much. His folks would love to see the average church be like the following. The homeless guy wakes up from his night on the park bench to find his congregation of equally poor folks sitting on the grass waiting for him to move. He folds his newspaper bedding up, goes behind a tree a moment, returns to hold up his plywood sign "Jesus is Love". He then preaches the profound blessings of being poor for Jesus. He is deeply grateful for $1.25 in donation in the paper cup. Well, he'll have to wait another service to afford a Junior beef melt meal.

A full time minister deserves, according to the Holy Spirit, to live off the gospel he ministers. Without a committment, typically a pledge to tithe, how is that fellow I described going to sign a lease for a little apartment, pay a deposit, make the monthly rent, have a bed, pay utilities and eat? If all he can count on is random giving, no budget, how does he survive while the church members have what they need? Many he ministers to are probably wealthy, but they've been taught not to tithe, so won't consider a regular salary. To provide a salary requires commitment from people. Without that, the congregation won't attract a pastor, unless that pastor is employed elsewhere.

Paul was obviously wealthy, a tent-maker by trade. He insisted on paying his own way, even becoming a ranch hand when staying with a host. In Rome he had a rent house where he stayed with a guard, meeting leaders daily, writing epistles. He was a frequent visitor to Caesar's palace, popular among the servants and family there, making them Christians.

It is that Paul that wrote to the Corinthian Christians who were poor, living where the citizens were plugged into an economy built around the pagan temple of Dianna, pagans favored for jobs. Paul appealed for an offering from them to take relief to other Christians suffering persecution. From his teachings I doubt he told widows not to give, as that act done properly qualifies them for direct blessing from the Lord, which they need. God's economy also provides for the blessed congregation to afford maintaining all their widows, orphans, and needy.

Poor congregations that are not generous and committed to support those the Lord sends their way will remain poor and of little use to anyone, even themselves.

Blessed churches are the ones carrying out Jesus' directives to establish the gospel around the world.

There is no blessing for critics of the lively churches that have discovered the many blessings of the Lord. You won't hear about the dead churches, their pastor having to sell used cars all week, available a few hours on Sunday morning. The churches doing the right thing are prospering and able to do great things locally and abroad.

It's as simple as that. Folks, don't curse yourself with your own tongue. If you hate the prosperity part of God's promises, God will kindly let you try to enjoy your poverty, lack, and misery. He won't force his prosperity on anyone not expectant of his promises. Americans tend to reject the good, while congregations around the world living in the middle of deplorable economic situations are rising out of poverty by the multiplied millions through faith in God's promises. They have the money to send missionaries to America, and are themselves reaching the rest of the world.

Whether you got this far in this post or not, I believe all here who castigate ministers who are greatly blessed by God will have to be accountable to God for that. That could simply mean losing long held jobs, careers vanishing, costs sky-rocketing. God is not responsible for what's happening in America. Unbelief is the cause. When God is ignored, people lose vision, then perish simply because he is no longer welcome in our midst.
This is just so messed up, I hardly know where to begin! So much that is not right, and unbiblical! As to Creflo's false gospel, I posted a video link, very short, which has him denying the divinity of Christ. Calling Jesus, in so many words, "just a man." But I supposed you are so brainwashed, you don't want to hear the truth about his apostate doctrines.

My Bible indicates we ARE to judge pastors and leaders and those who would lead us astray.

"17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites,[a] and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive." Romans 16:17-18


“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." Matt 7:15


"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

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See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spiritsof the world, and not according to Christ." Col. 2:8

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But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep." 2 Peter 2:1-3


Wow! Verse 3 of the last verse really sums up the whole Prosperity movement. "And in their greed, they will exploit you with false words!"

There are just so many more verses, which if people actually read their Bibles, instead of the itching ears that that people have who follow these false teachers, who are out to get rich, greedy and unrepentant of their sin. Enough to make a LARGE doctrine that we are to judge, expose and hold false teachers accountable!

As for your joke about Creflo being some poor minister needing a committment to live in his small apartment, all I can say is, "Are you kidding????" He has a Rolls Royce, private jet, (yes, an older one!) a million dollar home in Atlanta and a $2.5 million apartment in Manhattan. Poor guy, he NEEDS your donations just to buy food to put on his table, I guess?

Paul wealthy? Another Creflo WoF lie! Paul was often hungry and he learned to through suffering, and praised God!

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Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content.12 I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need.13 I can do all things through him who strengthens me." Phil 4:11-13

God never promises prosperity! That is all done by taking verses out of context, and twisting them! Instead, God promises us himself! That is true prosperity.

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For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16


There is so much more in this post, but I fear that a brainwashed person such as yourself will not change merely by me posting a few Scriptures. So I will pray that God will strike the scales from your eyes, so you will be able to see the truth of the gospel, and discern the lies you have been fed!

PS. Do you actually read your Bible? Verse after verse, chapter after chapter? I pray you do, because God will reveal the truth to you.


 
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This is just so messed up, I hardly know where to begin! So much that is not right, and unbiblical! As to Creflo's false gospel, I posted a video link, very short, which has him denying the divinity of Christ. Calling Jesus, in so many words, "just a man." But I supposed you are so brainwashed, you don't want to hear the truth about his apostate doctrines.
It shows egregious, Spirit-less error, that any pastor could say such a thing. This isn't a matter of disagreeing over things like volitional aspects involving OSAS, or to what extent some first century gifts are valid. I saw that clip, and it's a tell of him being a charlatan who doesn't understand the very Person of the Lord. It's impossible to go, "Oops!", regarding such a blind, fallacious diatribe, of, actually, near antichrist character.
 
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Since this thread is about Creflo Dollar's Jet, let us talk about that.

I see a lot of defense of this man, and it is constantly cited that these WoF televangelists do not take donations, and use their own money for their homes, etc. which they earn from the sales of their books and merchandise (Also fleecing the faithful, but let's not go there for a moment.)

The fact is, Dollar was begging for funds and donations for his jet.

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

I realize he travels around the world, but the gospel he spreads is the Health and Wealth, not the gospel of Jesus Christ, died and resurrected.

As far as theology, besides the fact that he preaches a false gospel, he also denies the divinity of Christ. That makes him worse than a false teacher, but a true heretic, in every sense of orthodox Christianity.

[video=youtube_share;0vkeVhQo7MY]http://youtu.be/0vkeVhQo7MY[/video]
The guy is truly an anti-Christ:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there amny antichrists; 1John 2:18

(v.21) I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but becaue ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

(v.22) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
 
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In america especially, there is this culture of Preachers has wrapped a good sermon, a good preach were Money is the base and root of it all. People then get too clingy, too attached to a certain preacher, and then when or if a preacher makes a mistake, or accident or on purpose,, they have the people to back them up to help the preacher feel less guilty, and they carry on regardless.

I'm not saying all preachers are like that. But I think we can question these preachers and ask them were they going with there messages, or words they speak, and we can challenge them to scripture. Not judging them, but in hope they are corrected and not being mislead so that the misleading wont be passed on to the followers.

Most preachers go off the rails, some without realising, some they know but cant stop,, some by accident, but rather judge them, pray for them, in hope they see sense and hope they turn to God themselves.

But we do have to be vigilant when watching these preachers, As money is there main priority, and they will wrap there sermons, words and messages around it. to cover there bad doings.
Hey Richie_2uk, There are people that do try and communicate with people that have aberrant teachings, but, sadly too many refuse to listen.
 
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Since this thread is about Creflo Dollar's Jet, let us talk about that.

I see a lot of defense of this man, and it is constantly cited that these WoF televangelists do not take donations, and use their own money for their homes, etc. which they earn from the sales of their books and merchandise (Also fleecing the faithful, but let's not go there for a moment.)

The fact is, Dollar was begging for funds and donations for his jet.

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

I realize he travels around the world, but the gospel he spreads is the Health and Wealth, not the gospel of Jesus Christ, died and resurrected.

As far as theology, besides the fact that he preaches a false gospel, he also denies the divinity of Christ. That makes him worse than a false teacher, but a true heretic, in every sense of orthodox Christianity.

[video=youtube_share;0vkeVhQo7MY]http://youtu.be/0vkeVhQo7MY[/video]
Angela,
This is not a defense or support of Creflo Dollar.

This video is doctored and a fake, it was put out by the very same filth that put out one on Kenneth Copeland and also doctored it with bad dubbing. This same outfit is glorified by a poster here on CC.

The group that does these videos are a KJV ONLY cult, that have ties to Peter Ruckman and other IFB churches.

The organization that put it out was sued by Creflo and they pleaded no contest, and Creflo won the law suit, he did not seek monetary damages, just a retraction of what they posted and they did so.

by the way Cucusoft Video Converter, DVD to ipod,iPad,iPhone,Zune Video Converter is a video editing company, so either you edited this on your own or are victim of propaganda.

BTW, anyone that has heard Creflo can attest to the fact this is not his own voice on this video.

If you must go to all lengths to prove a point and least do so in an honorable, moral and honest way, because the trash you posted here has been refuted and the web address across the video is to a video editing company.

Chekc it out here: Cucusoft Video Converter, DVD to ipod,iPad,iPhone,Zune Video Converter
 
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The guy is truly an anti-Christ:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there amny antichrists; 1John 2:18

(v.21) I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but becaue ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

(v.22) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Yeah if the video was actually true. I proved it was a doctored fake.

If you have no more discernment than this, whatever you do, do not tell, them: yes sir, in the right hand or yes sir in the forehead.
 
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It shows egregious, Spirit-less error, that any pastor could say such a thing. This isn't a matter of disagreeing over things like volitional aspects involving OSAS, or to what extent some first century gifts are valid. I saw that clip, and it's a tell of him being a charlatan who doesn't understand the very Person of the Lord. It's impossible to go, "Oops!", regarding such a blind, fallacious diatribe, of, actually, near antichrist character.
Yeah if the video was real.
 
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Why are you in such a funk over Creflo Dollar? Maybe we need more legalism and works salvation threads? Or do you prefer sabbath threads? Soul sleep and annihilation threads? Some juicy Trinity denial? Or maybe you'd like to go an entirely new direction, do some praise threads for elephants, knife throwers and bearded ladies?

Sorry is you find this thread a bummer, among such an, otherwise, sterling collection. The problem with people like me is that I prefer and prize truth, and you sometimes windup with such pesky buggers in a CHRISTIAN FORUM.
You're such a gem! ROFL1.gif
 
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Since this thread is about Creflo Dollar's Jet, let us talk about that.

I see a lot of defense of this man, and it is constantly cited that these WoF televangelists do not take donations, and use their own money for their homes, etc. which they earn from the sales of their books and merchandise (Also fleecing the faithful, but let's not go there for a moment.)

The fact is, Dollar was begging for funds and donations for his jet.

Minister Creflo Dollar asks for $60 million for a jet - CNN.com

I realize he travels around the world, but the gospel he spreads is the Health and Wealth, not the gospel of Jesus Christ, died and resurrected.

As far as theology, besides the fact that he preaches a false gospel, he also denies the divinity of Christ. That makes him worse than a false teacher, but a true heretic, in every sense of orthodox Christianity.

[video=youtube_share;0vkeVhQo7MY]http://youtu.be/0vkeVhQo7MY[/video]
Angela,
I have defended you on several occasions. Are you able to explain why you edited this video through Cucusoft Video Converter, DVD to ipod,iPad,iPhone,Zune Video Converter ?
 
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The guy is truly an anti-Christ:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there amny antichrists; 1John 2:18

(v.21) I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but becaue ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

(v.22) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
You see such a denial of the deity of the Lord. There's a body of scripture teaching on false prophets, coming in His name, clear warnings this would be the case. You see the obscene consumption, often from the contributions of people who can't even afford to send them money (have had firsthand testimony from telemarketers, of poor old people strongly coerced and bilked), we have the wolves before us, from false doctrines of con artists to their Olympic pools, yet there are those that believe all one has to do is pay some lip service to the Lord, and it's got to be genuine. Despite all the contrary. Boggles the mind. Generally speaking, you want to know what some small churches do, for a change? Preach the whole gospel truth, some of you don't want to hear!

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


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