Crucifixion on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday?

hornetguy · Feb 7, 2023

It's odd that the Greek says
And
1 Conj

1230 [e]
diagenomenou
διαγενομένου
having passed
V-APM-GNS

3588 [e]
tou
τοῦ
the
Art-GNS

4521 [e]
sabbatou
σαββάτου ,
Sabbath
N-GNS

3588 [e]
hē
(ἡ)
-
Art-NFS

3137 [e]
Maria
Μαρία
Mary
N-NFS

3588 [e]
hē
ἡ
-
Art-NFS

3094 [e]
Magdalēnē
Μαγδαληνὴ ,
Magdalene
N-NFS

2532 [e]
kai
καὶ
and
Conj

3137 [e]
Maria
Μαρία
Mary
N-NFS
That sounds very much to me like it was past the Sabbath..... How do YOU read it?

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

Morning prayer during the festivals. Yes, people would be there. Also the high priests called people to make sure there was a crowd also.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

I "change" it? Or is it rather, I gave you the Bible definition which does not fit your a priori definition?

[D] How many times, in these passages [Matthew 12:38-45, 16:1-12; Luke 11:14-32 KJB], or in all of Scripture [KJB], is the specific phrase, “in the heart of the earth” or “heart of the earth” found/used?

Only once! Anyone may do a word study or search by any known method and see this.

Matthew 12:40 KJB - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

However, a like [similar] phrase is found in Genesis, Exodus, Psalms, Isaiah and Daniel, wherein the word “midst” [OT; [Hebrew] H7130 “קרב”, “qereb”; [Syriac] H1459 “גּו”, “gav”] is used in the place of “heart” [NT]:

Genesis 48:16 KJB - The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Exodus 8:22 KJB - And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the LORD in the midst of the earth.

Psalms 74:12 KJB - For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.

Isaiah 5:8 KJB - Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!

Daniel 4:10 KJB - Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

The phrase “in the midst” is used in the scripture [KJB] in various contexts, generally meaning, 'amongst', 'in the middle' and/or 'in the center' of.

The phrase “in the midst of the earth” is not the same as the phrases, “the face of the earth”, “the fatness of the earth”, “the breadth of the earth”, “the end of the earth”, “the uttermost part of the earth”, “the utmost parts of the earth”, “four corners of the earth”, “the depths of the earth”, “the deep places of the earth”, “the low[er] parts of the earth”, “the lowest parts of the earth”, “out of the earth”, “[dens and] caves of the earth”, “nether parts of the earth”, “the high places of the earth”, “borders of the earth”, “sides of the earth”, “coasts of the earth”, “dark place of the earth”, “foundation of the earth”, “circle of the earth”, etc., and this may be known by a simple process of substitution of phrase.

Additional consideration to this question, being a result of prayerful and careful search, reveals that there also no specific connection in Scripture [KJB], in any location, which relates that this term/phraseology “in the heart of the earth” means specifically/only, “in the grave/tomb/sepulchre”.

We can also directly see that there is the equative [the ways of the LORD being “equal” [Ezekiel 18:25,29 KJB], having a “just” [Proverbs 11:1, 16:11 KJB] balance] or parallel in the passage:

Matthew 12:40 KJB - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

Here's the Bible (not "I"):

G2588:

The Koine Greek: καρδια

The Transliterated Koine Greek: kardia

This word is variously translated in the King James Bible as [according to the E-Sword King James Concordance]:

Total KJB Occurrences: 161

heart, 102

Matthew 5:8,28, 6:21, 11:29, 12:34-35 (2),40, 13:15 (2),19, 15:8,18-19 (2), 22:37, 24:48; Mark 6:52, 7:6,19,21, 8:17, 11:23, 12:30,33; Luke 2:19,51, 6:45 (3), 8:15, 9:47, 10:27, 12:34,45, 24:25,32; John 12:40 (2), 13:2, 14:1,27, 16:6,22; Acts 2:26,37,46, 4:32, 5:3-4 (2),33, 7:23,51,54, 8:21-22 (2),37, 11:23, 13:22, 16:14, 21:13, 28:27 (2); Romans 1:21, 2:5,29, 6:17, 9:2, 10:6,8-10 (3); 1 Corinthians 2:9, 7:37 (2), 14:25; 2 Corinthians 2:4, 3:3,15, 5:12, 6:11, 8:16, 9:7; Ephesians 5:18-19 (2), 6:5; Philippians 1:7; Colossians 3:22; 1 Thessalonians 2:17; 1 Timothy 1:5; 2 Timothy 2:22; Hebrews 3:10, 4:12 (2), 10:22, 13:9; James 1:26; 1 Peter 1:22, 3:4; 2 Peter 2:14; 1 John 3:20-21 (3); Revelation 18:7

hearts, 57

Matthew 9:4, 18:35; Mark 2:6,8, 3:5, 4:15; Luke 1:17,51,66, 2:35, 3:15, 5:22, 8:12, 16:15, 21:14,34; Acts 7:38-39 (2), 14:17, 15:9; Romans 1:24, 2:15, 5:5, 8:27, 16:18; 1 Corinthians 4:5; 2 Corinthians 1:22, 3:2, 4:6, 7:3; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 3:17, 6:22; Philippians 4:7; Colossians 2:2, 3:15-16 (2), 4:8; 1 Thessalonians 2:4, 3:13; 2 Thessalonians 2:17, 3:5; Hebrews 3:8,15, 4:7, 8:10, 10:16,22; James 3:14, 4:8, 5:5,8; 1 Peter 3:15; 2 Peter 1:19; 1 John 3:19; Revelation 2:23, 17:17

brokenhearted, 1

Luke 4:17-18 (2)

heart’s, 1

Romans 10:1

In Matthew 12:40 GNT-TR the word “καρδια”, “kardia” and is in the form “N-DSF”:

“N-DSF” -

Part of Speech: Noun

Case: Dative

Number: Singular

Gender: Feminine

This same exact form [N-DSF] of the Greek word is found in many other GNT-TR texts:

Matthew 5:8,28, 11:29, 12:40, 13:15,19, 22:37, 24:48; Mark 11:23; Luke 1:66, 2:19,51, 8:15, 12:45, 24:25,38; John 12:40; Acts 2:37, 5:4, 7:39,51, 28:27; Romans 9:2, 10:6,8,9,10; 1 Corinthians 7:37; 2 Corinthians 5:12, 8:16, 9:7; Ephesians 5:19; Philippians 1:7; Colossians 3:16; 1 Thessalonians 2:17; Hebrews 3:10; James 3:14; Revelation 18:7

Jesus uses this word in the very context of Matthew 12:40 KJB:

Matthew 12:34 KJB - O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 12:35 KJB - A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Jesus also uses this word in other similar contexts:

Matthew 13:15 KJB - For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

In Matthew 13:15 GNT-TR, the word “καρδια” is in the same form [N-DSF]:

Matthew 13:15 GNT-TR - επαχυνθη γαρ η καρδια του λαου τουτου και τοις ωσιν βαρεως ηκουσαν και τους οφθαλμους αυτων εκαμμυσαν μηποτε ιδωσιν τοις οφθαλμοις και τοις ωσιν ακουσωσιν και τη καρδια συνωσιν και επιστρεψωσιν και ιασωμαι αυτους

Matthew 13:15 GNT-TR+ [with KJ Concordance Numbers & Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes] - επαχυνθηG3975 V-API-3S γαρG1063 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF καρδιαG2588 N-NSF τουG3588 T-GSM λαουG2992 N-GSM τουτουG3778 D-GSM καιG2532 CONJ τοιςG3588 T-DPN ωσινG3775 N-DPN βαρεωςG917 ADV ηκουσανG191 V-AAI-3P καιG2532 CONJ τουςG3588 T-APM οφθαλμουςG3788 N-APM αυτωνG846 P-GPM εκαμμυσανG2576 V-AAI-3P μηποτεG3379 ADV-N ιδωσινG3708 V-2AAS-3P τοιςG3588 T-DPM οφθαλμοιςG3788 N-DPM καιG2532 CONJ τοιςG3588 T-DPN ωσινG3775 N-DPN ακουσωσινG191 V-AAS-3P καιG2532 CONJ τηG3588 T-DSF καρδιαG2588 N-DSF συνωσινG4920 V-2AAS-3P καιG2532 CONJ επιστρεψωσινG1994 V-AAS-3P καιG2532 CONJ ιασωμαιG2390 V-ADS-1S αυτουςG846 P-APM

Mark 2:8 KJB - And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

In Mark 2:8 GNT-TR, the word “καρδιαις” is in the plural form [N-DPF]:

Mark 2:8 GNT-TR - και ευθεως επιγνους ο ιησους τω πνευματι αυτου οτι ουτως διαλογιζονται εν εαυτοις ειπεν αυτοις τι ταυτα διαλογιζεσθε εν ταις καρδιαις υμων

Mark 2:8 GNT-TR+ [with KJ Concordance Numbers & Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes] - καιG2532 CONJ ευθεωςG2112 ADV επιγνουςG1921 V-2AAP-NSM οG3588 T-NSM ιησουςG2424 N-NSM τωG3588 T-DSN πνευματιG4151 N-DSN αυτουG846 P-GSM οτιG3754 CONJ ουτωςG3779 ADV διαλογιζονταιG1260 V-PNI-3P ενG1722 PREP εαυτοιςG1438 F-3DPM ειπενG3004 V-2AAI-3S αυτοιςG846 P-DPM τιG5101 I-ASN ταυταG3778 D-APN διαλογιζεσθεG1260 V-PNI-2P ενG1722 PREP ταιςG3588 T-DPF καρδιαιςG2588 N-DPF υμωνG4771 P-2GP

The “heart” then, is that which is the inward thoughts and emotions.

For those interested in the Strong's Concordance personal definition [Concordances, Lexicons and Dictionaries can be used [generally] for 'finding' words in the KJB, but should not [generally] be used to 'define' those words, since scripture [KJB] defines itself [Isaiah 8:20, 28:10,13; 1 Corinthians 2:13, etc.]:

“Prolonged from a primary κάρ kar (Latin cor, “heart”); the heart, that is, (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle: - (+ broken-) heart (-ed).”

This same Koine Greek word can also be seen in the (so-called*) LXX [Septuagint], looking at the first [Alpha] use, which is in the very same 'form' [N-DSF] as the use in Matthew 12:40 GNT-TR:

Genesis 6:5 LXX Greek - Ἰδὼν δὲ κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὅτι ἐπληθύνθησαν αἱ κακίαι τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς καὶ πᾶς τις διανοεῖται ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ αὐτοῦ ἐπιμελῶς ἐπὶ τὰ πονηρὰ πάσας τὰς ἡμέρας,

Genesis 6:5 LXX Greek with Strong's #'s and Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes - ιδωνG3708 V-AAPNS δεG1161 PRT κυριοςG2962 N-NSM οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM οτιG3754 CONJ επληθυνθησανG4129 V-API-3P αιG3588 T-NPF κακιαιG2549 N-NPF τωνG3588 T-GPM ανθρωπωνG444 N-GPM επιG1909 PREP τηςG3588 T-GSF γηςG1065 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ παςG3956 A-NSM τιςG5100 I-NSM διανοειταιV-PMI-3S ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF καρδιαG2588 N-DSF αυτουG846 D-GSM επιμελωςG1960 ADV επιG1909 PREP ταG3588 T-APN πονηραG4190 A-APN πασαςG3956 A-APF ταςG3588 T-APF ημεραςG2250 N-APF

Genesis 6:5 KJB - And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Genesis 6:5 Hebrew Text with Strong's numbers – ויראH7200 יהוהH3068 כיH3588 רבהH7227 רעתH7451 האדםH120 בארץH776 וכלH3605 יצרH3336 מחשׁבתH4284 לבוH3820 רקH7535 רעH7451 כלH3605 היום׃H3117

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

Now here;s more Bible (not "I"):

The Hebrew H3820:

H3820

The Hebrew: לֵב

The Transliterated Hebrew: lêb, labe

Total KJB Occurrences: 595

heart, 485

Genesis 6:5-6 (2), 8:21 (2), 17:17, 24:45, 27:41, 42:28, 45:26; Exodus 4:14,21, 7:3,13-14 (2),22-23 (2), 8:15,19,32, 9:7,12,14,34-35 (2), 10:1 (2),20,27, 11:10, 14:4, 15:8 (2), 25:2, 28:29-30 (3), 35:5,21,26,29,34-35 (2), 36:2 (2); Numbers 32:7,9; Deuteronomy 28:65, 29:4,19; Judges 5:8-9 (2),15-16 (2), 16:15,17-18 (3), 18:20; Ruth 3:5-7 (3); 1 Samuel 1:13, 2:1, 4:13, 10:9, 17:32, 24:5, 25:31,36-37 (2), 27:1, 28:5; 2 Samuel 6:16, 7:21, 13:27-28 (2),33, 14:1, 17:10 (2), 18:14, 19:19, 24:10; 1 Kings 3:9,12, 4:29, 10:24, 11:3, 12:26-27 (2),33, 18:37, 21:7; 2 Kings 5:26, 6:11, 9:24, 12:4, 14:10, 23:3; 1 Chronicles 12:33,38, 15:29, 16:10, 17:19,25, 29:9 (2); 2 Chronicles 6:38, 7:10-11 (2),16, 9:23, 12:14, 17:6, 25:19, 26:16, 29:31, 30:12, 32:25-26 (2); Ezra 6:22, 7:27; Nehemiah 2:2,12, 6:8, 7:5; Esther 1:10, 5:9, 6:6, 7:5; Job 7:17, 8:10, 11:13, 12:24, 15:12, 17:4, 23:16, 29:13, 31:7,9,27, 33:3, 34:14, 36:13, 37:1, 41:24 (2); Psalms 4:7, 7:10, 9:1, 10:6,11,13,17, 12:2 (2), 13:5, 14:1, 16:9, 17:3, 19:8, 22:14 (2), 27:2-3 (2),8,14, 28:7 (2), 33:11 (2),21, 34:18, 36:1,10, 37:4,15,31, 38:8,10, 39:3, 40:10,12, 41:6, 44:18,21, 45:1,5, 49:3, 51:10,17, 53:1, 55:4,21, 57:7 (2), 61:2 (2), 62:10, 64:6,10, 66:18, 69:20, 78:8,37, 84:2, 94:15, 97:11, 101:4, 105:3,25, 107:12, 108:1, 109:22, 112:7-8 (2), 140:2 (3), 143:4 (2), 147:3; Proverbs 2:2,10, 3:1,3,5, 4:4,23, 5:12, 6:14,18,21, 7:3,10,25, 8:5, 10:8, 11:20 (2),29, 12:8,20,23,25, 13:12, 14:10,13-14 (2),30,33, 15:7,13-15 (4),28,30, 16:1,5,9,21,23, 17:16,20,22, 18:2,12,15, 19:3,21, 20:5,9, 21:1,4, 22:11,15,17, 23:7,12,15 (2),17,19,26,33, 24:2,17, 25:3,20, 26:23,25, 27:9,11,19, 28:14,26, 31:11; Ecclesiastes 1:13,16-17 (3), 2:1,3 (2),10 (2),15 (2),20,22-23 (2), 3:11,17-18 (2), 5:2,20, 7:2-4 (4),7,22,25-26 (2), 8:5,9,11,16, 9:1,3,7, 10:2 (2); Song of Solomon 3:9-11 (4), 5:2, 8:6; Isaiah 6:10, 15:5, 29:13, 32:6, 33:18, 35:4, 38:3, 42:25, 44:19-20 (2), 47:7,10, 51:7, 57:1,11,15,17, 59:13, 63:4,17, 66:14 (3); Jeremiah 3:10,15,17, 4:9 (2),14,18-19 (3), 7:23-24 (2),31, 8:18, 9:14,26, 11:8,20, 12:3,11, 13:10, 14:14, 16:12, 17:1,5,9-10 (2), 18:12, 20:9,12, 22:17, 23:9,16-17 (2),20,26 (2), 24:7 (2), 30:21,24, 31:21, 32:39,41, 48:29,36 (2),41, 49:16,22 (2); Lamentations 1:20,22, 2:18-19 (2), 3:65, 5:15,17; Ezekiel 6:9, 11:19 (3),21 (2), 13:17,22, 14:3-5 (3),7, 18:31, 20:16, 21:7,15, 22:14, 28:2 (3),6 (2),17, 33:31, 36:26 (3), 40:4, 44:7,9; Daniel 1:8, 10:12; Hosea 4:11, 7:6,11,14, 10:2, 11:8, 13:6,8; Obadiah 1:3 (2); Nahum 2:10; Zephaniah 3:14; Zechariah 10:7 (2), 12:5; Malachi 2:2 (2), 4:6

hearts, 21

Genesis 18:5; Exodus 14:17, 31:6; Joshua 11:20; Judges 9:3, 16:25, 19:22; 1 Samuel 6:6, 10:26; 2 Samuel 15:6; 2 Chronicles 6:13-14 (2); Psalms 33:15, 35:25, 74:8; Jeremiah 31:33, 48:41; Ezekiel 13:2, 32:9; Zechariah 7:12, 8:17

midst, 12

Deuteronomy 4:11; 2 Samuel 18:14; Psalms 46:2; Proverbs 23:34, 30:19; Jeremiah 51:1; Ezekiel 27:4,25-27 (3), 28:2,8

mind, 12

Numbers 16:28, 24:13; 1 Samuel 9:20; Nehemiah 4:6; Psalms 31:12; Isaiah 46:8, 65:17; Jeremiah 3:16, 19:5, 32:35; Lamentations 3:21 (2)

understanding, 10

Proverbs 6:32, 7:7, 9:4,16, 10:13, 12:11, 15:32, 17:18, 24:30; Jeremiah 5:21

hearted, 8

Exodus 28:3, 31:6, 35:10,22,25, 36:1-2 (2),8

consider, 6

Isaiah 41:22; Haggai 1:5,7, 2:15,18 (2)

wisdom, 6

Job 36:5; Proverbs 10:21, 11:12, 15:21, 19:8; Ecclesiastes 10:3

comfortably, 4

2 Samuel 19:7; 2 Chronicles 30:22; Isaiah 40:2; Hosea 2:14

considered, 3

Job 1:8, 2:3; Proverbs 24:32

regard, 3

1 Samuel 4:20, 25:25; 2 Samuel 13:20

bethink, 2

1 Kings 8:47; 2 Chronicles 6:37

care, 2

2 Samuel 18:3 (2)

friendly, 2

Judges 19:3 (2); Ruth 2:13

kindly, 2

Genesis 34:3, 50:21

stouthearted, 2

Psalms 76:5; Isaiah 46:12

unawares, 2

Genesis 31:20,26

brokenhearted, 1

Isaiah 61:1

consent, 1

Psalms 83:5

courageous, 1

Amos 2:16

hardhearted, 1

Ezekiel 3:7

heart’s, 1

Psalms 21:2

hearth, 1

Genesis 18:6

hearts’, 1

Psalms 81:12

heed, 1

Ecclesiastes 7:21

merryhearted, 1

Isaiah 24:7

minded, 1

2 Chronicles 24:4

regarded, 1

Exodus 9:21

stiffhearted, 1

Ezekiel 2:4

willingly, 1

Lamentations 3:33

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

Again from Strong's: A form of H3824; the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything: - + care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag [-eous], friend [-ly], ([broken-], [hard-], [merry-], [stiff-], [stout-], double) heart ([-ed]), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind (-ed), X regard ([-ed)], X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom.

Thus we can see by Genesis 6:5, in their respective translations/versions, that the word used [“καρδια” [Tr. kardia]/“לבו” [Tr. “labe”]], is associated with other words like “imagination” and “thoughts”.

* (so-called), the LXX [Septuagint] is not the work of 70 Jewish scholars, and not written before AD 100, but is the work of the gnostic Origen in his Hexapla.

In Matthew 13:15 KJB, citing, Isaiah 6:10 KJB, the people did not want to “understand” with “their heart”. This again confirms the [Alpha; [so-called (LXX)]] Genesis use, and further if we turn to last [Omega] use of this form of the Greek word, in Revelation 18:7 GNT-TR, we see the words connected as, “she saith in her heart”.

Other uses/forms are also connected with the “spirit” - Psalms 51:10,17 of a man, and as such as that “he thinketh in his heart, so is he” - Proverbs 23:7, etc.

For the many uses of the word G2588 [καρδια] in the (so-called) LXX, see [minus the Apocrypha]:

“Genesis 6:5, 20:5,6; Exodus 25:2, 31:6, 35:5,10, 36:2; Deuteronomy 6:6, 8:2,5,14,17, 9:4, 15:9,10, 18:21, 19:6, 20:8, 28:47, 29:18, 30:14, 32:46; JoshuaB 2:11, 23:14; JudgesA 19:22; 1 Kings 1:13, 2:35, 7:3, 9:19, 12:20,24, 21:13, 27:1, 29:10; 2 Kings 6:16, 7:3, 18:14; 3 Kings 2:4, 8:23,48,66, 10:2,24, 12:26; 4 Kings 10:30,31, 20:3, 23:3,25; 1 Chronicles 28:9, 29:9; 2 Chronicles 1:11, 6:14,38, 7:10, 9:23, 13:7, 16:9, 19:9, 22:9, 25:2, 29:31, 32:31, 34:31, 35:19b; 1 Esdras 1:21; 2 Esdras 7:10,27; Esther 1:1l, ... Psalms 7:11, 9:2,27,32,34, 10:2, 11:3, 12:3, 13:1, 14:2, 23:4, 31:11, 35:11, 36:14,31, 39:11, 44:6, 52:2, 57:3, 61:5, 63:11, 65:18, 72:1, 73:8, 75:6, 83:6, 85:12, 89:12, 93:15,19, 94:10, 96:11, 100:5, 108:16, 110:1, 118:2,10,11,34,58,69,145, 124:4, 137:1, 139:3; ... Proverbs 3:5, 4:21, 6:14, 10:8,22, 12:20, 13:12, 14:33, 18:4, 19:3,21, 20:5, 23:34, 26:24, 28:26, ... Job 22:22, 33:23, 36:13, 37:24, 38:2, ... Psalm of Solomon 1:3, 8:3; Hosea 7:2; Obadiah 1:3; Zephaniah 2:15; Isaiah 6:10, 9:8, 38:3, 44:18,19, 46:8, 47:7,8,10, 49:21, 51:7, 57:1, 60:5, 61:1; Jeremiah 5:24, 7:31, 12:11, 13:22, 19:5, 23:26, 36:13, 39:41; Ezekiel 6:9, 27:4, 27:25,26,27, 28:2,8, 44:7,9, ...”

Other forms of the same Koine Greek word, may be seen here -

http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?lemma=καρδία

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H3820&t=KJV

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

[F] According to the Bible [KJB], what is the definition of “heart”?

The first [Alpha] use of “heart” is found in Genesis 6:5 KJB:

Genesis 6:5 KJB - And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Notice the words, “every imagination of the thoughts” in connection to the “heart”. Secondarily, notice the words “wickedness” and “evil continually” in relation to fallen man's “heart”. This passage is directly tied to Genesis 8:21 KJB:

Genesis 8:21 KJB - And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

The words “imagination”, and “evil” are again directly associated with fallen “man's heart”, which parallels Jeremiah 17:9 KJB:

Jeremiah 17:9 KJB - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

In contrast to “man's heart”, being “evil”, we see God's “heart”, His Holy “spirit” of infinite “love” [1 John 4:8,16 KJB], in Genesis 6:3,6 KJB, being “grieved”, which is directly tied to Ephesians 4:30; 1 Peter 3:18-19 KJB:

Genesis 6:3 KJB - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Genesis 6:6 KJB - And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

In further passages it may be seen that “speaking” inwardly, to one's self, takes place in the “heart”:

Genesis 17:17 KJB - Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

Genesis 24:45 KJB - And before I had done speaking in mine heart, behold, Rebekah came forth with her pitcher on her shoulder; and she went down unto the well, and drew water: and I said unto her, Let me drink, I pray thee.

The “heart” of man, throughout the scriptures [KJB], is also given as the “spirit” of man, which deals with the inmost thinking, the mind of man, the thoughts and emotions of man that make up the character/personality:

Exodus 35:21 KJB - And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.

Deuteronomy 2:30 KJB - But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.

Joshua 5:1 KJB - And it came to pass, when all the kings of the Amorites, which were on the side of Jordan westward, and all the kings of the Canaanites, which were by the sea, heard that the LORD had dried up the waters of Jordan from before the children of Israel, until we were passed over, that their heart melted, neither was there spirit in them any more, because of the children of Israel.

Psalms 34:18 KJB - The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Psalms 51:10 KJB - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Psalms 51:17 KJB - The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Psalms 77:6 KJB - I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.

Psalms 78:8 KJB - And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.

Psalms 143:4 KJB - Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate.

Proverbs 15:13 KJB - A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance: but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken.

Proverbs 17:22 KJB - A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

Ecclesiastes 1:17 KJB - And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.

Isaiah 57:15 KJB - For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Isaiah 65:14 KJB - Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

Ezekiel 11:19 KJB - And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 18:31 KJB - Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Ezekiel 21:7 KJB - And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 36:26 KJB - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Mark 2:8 KJB - And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

Romans 2:29 KJB - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Hebrews 4:12 KJB - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Side note: Notice the word “soul”, is directly connected to the equal phrase, “of the joints and marrow”, which deals with the wholeness of the living physical body/person/creature. Thus a “living soul” [Genesis 2:7 KJB; ie. a living body/person/creature], or in opposition, a “soul died” [Revelation 16:3 KJB, see also “the soul that sinneth, it shall die”

[Ezekiel 18:4,20 KJB]].

1 Peter 3:4 KJB - But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

And thus the “spirit” of man, the “heart” of man is connected with reasoning, imaginations and thoughts:

1 Chronicles 28:9 KJB - And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

Psalms 81:12 KJB - So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.

Daniel 5:20 KJB - But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:

Zechariah 7:10 KJB - And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

Matthew 9:4 KJB - And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

Mark 7:21 KJB - For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mark 7:22 KJB - Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

Mark 7:23 KJB - All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Luke 2:35 KJB - (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Luke 5:22 KJB - But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?

Luke 9:47 KJB - And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,

Luke 24:38 KJB - And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Romans 1:21 KJB - Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Romans 2:15 KJB - Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Romans 2:29 KJB - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1 Corinthians 7:37 KJB - Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.

Ephesians 4:18 KJB - Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Ephesians 5:19 KJB - Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Philippians 1:7 KJB - Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.

1 Timothy 1:5 KJB - Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Hebrews 10:22 KJB - Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Revelation 18:7 KJB - How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Side note: Thus, in death, when there is no more “breath”, the “soul” is no longer “living”, and no longer thinking, imagining, contemplating, or experiencing feeling, emotions, etc.

Psalms 146:4 KJB - His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Furthermore, the word “heart” is connected to the word “midst”:

Psalms 22:14 KJB - I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

Proverbs 4:21 KJB - Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.

Proverbs 14:33 KJB - Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.

Isaiah 19:1 KJB - The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

Is/are there any place in the Texts of Jonah/Jonas, that is/are similar to the phrase, “heart of the earth”, as Jesus stated in Matthew 12:40 KJB?

Yes, it reads [KJB], “in the midst of the seas”:

Jonah 2:3 KJB - For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

Jonah 2:3 (2:4) HOT - ותשׁליכני מצולה בלבב ימים ונהר יסבבני כל־משׁבריך וגליך עלי עברו׃

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

The Hebrew H3824 בלבב:

H3824

The Hebrew: לבב

The Transliterated Hebrew: lêbâb

Total KJB Occurrences: 249

heart, 211

Genesis 20:5-6 (2); Exodus 14:5; Leviticus 19:17; Numbers 15:39; Deuteronomy 1:28, 2:30, 4:9,29,39, 5:29, 6:5-6 (2), 7:17, 8:2,5,14,17, 9:4-5 (2), 10:12,16, 11:13,16,18, 13:3, 15:7,9-10 (2), 17:17, 18:20-21 (2), 19:6, 20:8 (2), 26:16, 28:28,47,67, 29:18-19 (2), 30:2,6 (3),10,14,17; Joshua 5:1, 14:7, 22:5, 24:23; Judges 19:8-9 (2); 1 Samuel 1:8, 2:35, 12:19-20 (2),24, 13:14, 16:7 (3), 17:28, 21:12; 2 Samuel 7:3, 19:14 (2); 1 Kings 2:4,44, 3:6, 8:17-18 (3),23,38-39 (2),48,61,66, 9:3-4 (2), 11:2 (2),4 (3),9, 14:8, 15:3 (2),14; 2 Kings 10:15 (3),30-31 (2), 20:3, 22:19, 23:25; 1 Chronicles 12:17,38, 17:2, 22:19, 28:2, 29:17-19 (5); 2 Chronicles 1:11, 6:7-8 (3),30, 9:1, 15:12,15,17, 16:9, 19:3, 22:9 (2), 25:2, 29:10,34, 30:19, 31:21, 32:31, 34:27,31, 36:13; Ezra 7:10; Nehemiah 9:8; Job 9:4, 10:13, 17:11, 22:22, 27:6; Psalms 4:4, 15:2 (2), 20:4, 22:26, 24:4, 25:17, 31:24, 62:8, 69:32, 73:1,7,13,21,26 (2), 77:6, 78:18,72, 84:5, 86:11-12 (2), 95:8,10, 101:2,5, 102:4, 109:15-16 (3), 111:1, 119:7, 139:23; Proverbs 4:21, 6:25; Ecclesiastes 9:3; Isaiah 1:5, 6:10, 7:2 (2), 9:9, 10:7 (2),12, 13:7, 14:13, 19:1, 21:4, 30:29, 32:4, 47:8, 49:21, 60:5; Jeremiah 4:4, 5:24, 13:22, 15:16, 29:13, 51:46; Lamentations 3:41; Ezekiel 3:10, 28:5, 31:10, 36:5; Daniel 8:25, 11:12,28; Joel 2:12-13 (2); Zephaniah 1:12, 2:15; Zechariah 7:10

hearts, 22

Leviticus 26:36,41; Deuteronomy 20:3, 32:46; Joshua 2:11, 7:5, 23:14; 1 Samuel 6:6, 7:3 (2); 1 Kings 8:39,58; 1 Chronicles 28:9; 2 Chronicles 6:30, 11:16, 20:33; Job 1:5; Psalms 28:3, 90:12; Jeremiah 32:40; Daniel 11:27; Hosea 7:2

mind, 4

Deuteronomy 30:1, 1 Chronicles 22:7, Jeremiah 51:50, Ezekiel 38:10

understanding, 3

Job 12:3, 34:10,34

fainthearted, 2

Deuteronomy 20:8; Isaiah 7:4

unawares, 2

Genesis 31:20,26

breasts, 1

Nahum 2:7

comfortably, 1

2 Chronicles 32:6

courage, 1

Daniel 11:25

midst, 1

Jonah 2:3

tenderhearted, 1

2 Chronicles 13:7

Jonah 2:3 (2:4) LXX* - ἀπέρριψάς με εἰς βάθη καρδίας θαλάσσης, καὶ ποταμοί με ἐκύκλωσαν· πάντες οἱ μετεωρισμοί σου καὶ τὰ κύματά σου ἐπ᾿ ἐμὲ διῆλθον.

Jonah 2:3 (2:4) LXX*+ - απερριψαςV-AAI-2S μεG1473 P-AS ειςG1519 PREP βαθηG899 N-APN καρδιαςG2588 N-GSF θαλασσηςG2281 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ ποταμοιG4215 N-NPM μεG1473 P-AS εκυκλωσανG2944 V-AAI-3P παντεςG3956 A-NPM οιG3588 T-NPM μετεωρισμοιN-NPM σουG4771 P-GS καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN κυματαG2949 N-NPN σουG4771 P-GS επG1909 PREP εμεG1473 P-AS διηλθονG1330 V-AAI-3P

Thus:

Jonah 2:3 KJB, “in the midst [heart] of the seas”, is similar, to

Matthew 12:40 KJB, “in the heart of the earth”.

We now have a direct connection between “in the heart of the earth” in Matthew 12:40 KJB, with “in the midst [heart] of the seas” in Jonah 2:3 KJB, even as Jesus said:

“For as Jonas was ... in the whale's belly”, which was “in the midst [heart] of the seas”,

“so shall the Son of man be ... in the heart of the earth.”

Therefore, we will need to take a look at the connection between “of the earth” and “whale's belly”, and what those are, and to also find the connection to “heart” in both cases, dealing with “the earth” and “the seas” or “the floods” and “thy billows”, “thy waves” according to Scripture [KJB].

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

[I.] Is the statement made by Jesus in Matthew 12:40 a prophecy?

Matthew 12:40 KJB - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Yes, the words of Matthew 12:40 KJB are a prophecy, but it is a special type of prophecy ~ a typological [dealing with type/antitype] one.

Notice carefully the prophecy that is clearly given, and the future tense thereof:

“... so shall the Son of man be ...”

Now notice the typological aspect of the prophecy [the historic past portion which was to be repeated in anti-type, or greater reality/fulfillment]:

“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly ...”

This means we can consider the texts of Matthew and Jonah in this light [typological prophecy] and look for those things which will help us identify terms, since prophecies are given in symbol, and things go from natural to spiritual as per 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 KJB.

Let us begin with the word “whale”. A “whale” according to the bible [KJB] is a great sea creature, a sea beast [Genesis 1:20-23; Job 7:12; Ezekiel 32:2; Matthew 12:40 KJB].

A beast/creature in prophetic terms/symbolism is generally a politically gathered/united people group/nation/kingdom [Genesis 49:9; Isaiah 27:1, 46:11; Jeremiah 4:7, 5:6, 12:8, 25:38, 49:19, 50:44; Ezekiel 17:3,7, 32:2; Daniel 7:7,19,23, 8:20,21; Joel 1:6; Micah 5:8; Revelation 13:1,2,3,7,11,12, 17:3,7,8,11,12, etc., KJB]. For a specific example, the Egyptians, as a nation, were designated under the symbol of a great sea creature:

[While reading, notice, God the Greatest Fisherman [doesn't Jesus know how to fish?, just ask Peter, James and John]]

Ezekiel 32:2 KJB - Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou [art] as a whale in the seas: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers.

[Pharaoh, as king [a head/husband] of a nation [a body/wife], represents the nation. Not only was this a prophecy of the past, but so also of the Future (events transpiring now; Daniel 11:40-45, 12:1, etc., KJB), and of the end of Satan himself.]

Ezekiel 32:3 KJB - Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net.

Ezekiel 32:4 KJB - Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.

Ezekiel 32:5 KJB - And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height.

Ezekiel 32:6 KJB - I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, [even] to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.

Ezekiel 32:7 KJB - And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Ezekiel 32:8 KJB - All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 32:9 KJB - I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known.

Ezekiel 32:10 KJB - Yea, I will make many people amazed at thee, and their kings shall be horribly afraid for thee, when I shall brandish my sword before them; and they shall tremble at [every] moment, every man for his own life, in the day of thy fall.

Ezekiel 32:11 KJB - For thus saith the Lord GOD; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.

Ezekiel 32:12 KJB - By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed.

Ezekiel 32:13 KJB - I will destroy also all the beasts thereof from beside the great waters; neither shall the foot of man trouble them any more, nor the hoofs of beasts trouble them.

Ezekiel 32:14 KJB - Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 32:15 KJB - When I shall make the land of Egypt desolate, and the country shall be destitute of that whereof it was full, when I shall smite all them that dwell therein, then shall they know that I [am] the LORD.

Ezekiel 32:16 KJB - This [is] the lamentation wherewith they shall lament her: the daughters of the nations shall lament her: they shall lament for her, [even] for Egypt, and for all her multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 32:17 KJB - It came to pass also in the twelfth year, in the fifteenth [day] of the month, [that] the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezekiel 32:18 KJB - Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, [even] her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.

Also:

Isaiah 27:1 KJB - In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.

Isaiah 27:12 KJB - And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

Now that we have seen that a “nation” [with its king] can be described as a “whale”, a sea creature/beast, let us see how that helps us in Matthew 12:40 and in Jonah, and how it helps us in relating the other terms, “in the heart of the earth”, “in the midst [heart] of the seas”, “whale's belly”, “the floods”, “thy billows” and “thy waves”.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

First, let us consider this “earth” and what that means. The “earth” [γηςG1093 N-GSF; earth, land, inhabited places, etc] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...gs=G1093&t=KJV

Using the Scripture, in “line upon line” [Isaiah 28:10] we can see that the “earth” can mean peoples therein, even “[men] ... among the nations”:

1 Corinthians 16:31 KJB - Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let [men] say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.

Lamentations 2:15 KJB - All that pass by clap [their] hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, [saying, Is] this the city that [men] call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth?

Psalms 96:13 KJB - Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

Psalms 98:9 KJB - Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

Psalms 99:1 KJB - The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth [between] the cherubims; let the earth be moved.

Isaiah 10:14 KJB - And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs [that are] left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.

Isaiah 34:1 KJB - Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.

Jeremiah 6:19 KJB - Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, [even] the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Micah 1:2 KJB - Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple.

Now consider again Matthew 13:15, wherein the same word “heart” is used in the same fashion:

Matthew 13:15 KJB - For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

The phrase “in the heart of the earth”, means in the thoughts/mind/heart of the peoples/nations, as Jonas was such a sign.

Isaiah 45:22 KJB - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else.

Luke 2:34 KJB - And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this [child] is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

Luke 2:35 KJB - (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

John 12:32 KJB - And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

It means, Jesus would be taken, and be in the centermost attention of all the heart of the peoples, yea, even the whole world [even the onlooking unfallen universe].

Consider again in this instance of “seas”, “floods”, “billows” and “waves”:

What are “seas”?

Genesis 1:10 KJB - And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.

Genesis 1:22 KJB - And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Leviticus 11:9 KJB - These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

Leviticus 11:10 KJB - And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Psalms 24:2 KJB - For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.

Psalms 65:7 KJB - Which stilleth the noise of the seas, the noise of their waves, and the tumult of the people.

Jonah 2:3 KJB - For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

See also “sea” in connection with the Sanctuary, as the “molten sea” of the Great Laver of Solomon's Temple (1 Kings 7:23-44; 2 Kings 25:13,16; 1 Chronicles 18:8; 2 Chronicles 4:2-6,10; Jeremiah 27:19, 52:17,20

What then are “waters”?

Isaiah 17:12 KJB - Woe to the multitude of many people, [which] make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, [that] make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!

Psalms 77:19 KJB - Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters, and thy footsteps are not known.

Revelation 17:15 KJB - And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, ... are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Therefore, Jesus was to be “swallowed up” by the mob [for many people were in Jerusalem from all over for the feasts], a “whale” [great sea creature; a specific nation], among the many “waters”, “seas” [peoples] and taken into its/their control, taking him where it/they would (from trial to trial, scourging to scourging), down to the depths...

This is exactly fulfilled in the life of Jesus, beginning in the Garden of Gethsemane, where he is taken captive...

Psalms 2:1 KJB - Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

Psalms 2:2 KJB - The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],

Jude 1:13 KJB - Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

But many “waters” could not “quench love”:

Sons of Songs 8:7 KJB - Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if [a] man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned.

Psalms 93:3 KJB - The floods have lifted up, O LORD, the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves.

Psalms 93:4 KJB - The LORD on high [is] mightier than the noise of many waters, [yea, than] the mighty waves of the sea.

There is more to yet see, for we need to look at the Jonas type and compare to the anti-type events, and see if this truly fits.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

Did "I" change the definition, or rather is it, that you do not understand what Bible itself says in definition, and simply make the phrase "in the heart of the earth" to mean buried in the grave, when there is not a single text in scripture which says that?

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

Oh reeeeeeeeely?

Was Jonah/Jonas awake (alive) or asleep/fainted (swooned unto death) when he was thrown into the sea and swallowed by the Great Sea Creature?

Jonah was very much awake and alert when he was thrown into the sea and swallowed by the Great Sea Creature ("Whale", etc), even for a long time before he "fainted".

Notice the typological words, events, even as they truly point to Christ Jesus, and the events surrounding Him!

"Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee." - Jonah 1:14

Jonah is awake, even speaking, when thrown into the Sea:

"And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest [is] upon you." - Jonah 1:12

"So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging." - Jonah 1:15

Jonah is awake when the Great Sea Creature swallows him:

"Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." - Jonah 1:17

Jonah is still awake and praying from out of the midst of the belly/bowels of he Great Sea Creature:

"Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly," -Jonah 2:1

Jonah is still awake and cries unto the LORD because of his affliction that he is experiencing while awake:

"And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice." - Jonah 2:2

Jonah still being awake, recognizes that he is in the "heart"/midst of the Seas and the waters of the sea are over his head, and pass over him:

"For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me." - Jonah 2:3

Jonah is still awake, in praying and crying, looking unto the greater Holy Temple, which is in Heaven, being made by the LORD:

"Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple." - Jonah 2:4

That typifies the separation of Father and Son at the Cross, being "cast out of thy sight", because of sin, "Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity..." (Habakkuk 1:13), "For he hath made him to be sin for us" (2 Corinthians 5:21) and "he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows" (Isaiah 53:4), "Christ died for our sins" (1 Corinthians 15:3), "his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree" (1 Peter 2:24), "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many" (Hebrews 9:28), see Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34; Psalms 22:1, and see also another typological one in Samson, Judges 16:20, etc. Just as Jonah was thrown into the Sea to appease the wrath/storm of God, so too Jesus, chose to be a sacrifice, for our sins.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Psalms 22:1 To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Jonah is still awake and recounts how even the waters surround his entire being, and had weeds even wrapped about his head in the belly of the Great Sea Creature:

"The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head." - Jonah 2:5

Jonah still being awake, realizes that he is being taken to the very bottom, before he states that his "soul fainted within" in vs 7.

"I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God." - Jonah 2:6

Before Jonah "fainted", he prayed one last time, giving thanksgiving in v 9, and "remembered the LORD" in vs 7:

"But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD." - Jonah 2:9

Therefore, we see that Jonah was awake most of the time, suffering in "affliction", vs 2, was praying, vs 1, crying, vs 2, understood his condition and surroundings, vss 1-6,9, until he "fainted"/fell asleep, being taken to the bottom, and then "the earth with her bars" begin about him.

Yet after such, then Jonah says God "brought up my life from corruption", vs 6, being a reference to when God "spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land", vs 10, all together, being the "salvation of the LORD", vs 9

Yet there is even more...

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

O, reeeeeeely?

What does it mean when the text says that Jonah "fainted", and if no longer awake, thus asleep, what does the Bible say that it represents?

Let us look at the text again:

"When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple." - Jonah 2:7

This word used is also found in various places, with the following:

"From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to the rock that is higher than I." - Psalms 61:2

"I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Selah." - Psalms 77:3

"Hungry and thirsty, their soul fainted in them." - Psalms 107:5

"When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my path. In the way wherein I walked have they privily laid a snare for me." - Psalms 142:3

"Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate." - Psalms 143:4

"Mine eyes do fail with tears, my bowels are troubled, my liver is poured upon the earth, for the destruction of the daughter of my people; because the children and the sucklings swoon in the streets of the city." - Lamentations 2:11

"They say to their mothers, Where [is] corn and wine? when they swooned as the wounded in the streets of the city, when their soul was poured out into their mothers' bosom." - Lamentations 2:12

"Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord: lift up thy hands toward him for the life of thy young children, that faint for hunger in the top of every street." - Lamentations 2:19

In the (co-called) LXX, the Greek word used is "ἐκλείπω", ekleipw, and is also found used in Luke 16:9, 22:32, 23:45; Hebrews 1:12 and means to "fail" or cease/stop of some action or of life.

It also carries the meaning of 'deceased' [cease of life, physically, or metaphorically], 'be wanting', 'abandon', 'quit', 'left out' or to 'fail of strength' [of heart or physically], 'grow weak' and to be in 'hunger' or 'thirst' and is found used in many other places - http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index....=E%29KLEI%2FPW
or
http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index....B7%CF%80%CF%89

Jesus, the man of sorrows:

"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." - Isaiah 53:3

"[[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?" - Psalm 22:1

"O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent." - Psalm 22:2

"I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels." - Psalm 22:14

"My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death." - Psalm 22:15

Jesus said:

"After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst." - John 19:28

Then after one more thing, He said "it is finished" and died, to be shortly "taken down", and then carefully placed in the tomb, where "the earth with her bars" would be about him.

VARob · Feb 7, 2023

ItsAdventageous said:

You went WAAAAYYYYY out of your way to find potential alternate meaning(s) for the phrase so you can stick with a Friday-Sunday crucifixion.

VARob · Feb 7, 2023

ItsAdventageous said:

O, reeeeeeely?

What does it mean when the text says that Jonah "fainted", and if no longer awake, thus asleep, what does the Bible say that it represents?

Let us look at the text again:

"When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple." - Jonah 2:7

This word used is also found in various places, with the following:

"From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to the rock that is higher than I." - Psalms 61:2

"I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Selah." - Psalms 77:3

"Hungry and thirsty, their soul fainted in them." - Psalms 107:5

"When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my path. In the way wherein I walked have they privily laid a snare for me." - Psalms 142:3

"Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate." - Psalms 143:4

"Mine eyes do fail with tears, my bowels are troubled, my liver is poured upon the earth, for the destruction of the daughter of my people; because the children and the sucklings swoon in the streets of the city." - Lamentations 2:11

"They say to their mothers, Where [is] corn and wine? when they swooned as the wounded in the streets of the city, when their soul was poured out into their mothers' bosom." - Lamentations 2:12

"Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord: lift up thy hands toward him for the life of thy young children, that faint for hunger in the top of every street." - Lamentations 2:19

In the (co-called) LXX, the Greek word used is "ἐκλείπω", ekleipw, and is also found used in Luke 16:9, 22:32, 23:45; Hebrews 1:12 and means to "fail" or cease/stop of some action or of life.

It also carries the meaning of 'deceased' [cease of life, physically, or metaphorically], 'be wanting', 'abandon', 'quit', 'left out' or to 'fail of strength' [of heart or physically], 'grow weak' and to be in 'hunger' or 'thirst' and is found used in many other places - http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index....=E%29KLEI%2FPW
or
http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index....B7%CF%80%CF%89

Jesus, the man of sorrows:

"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." - Isaiah 53:3

"[[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?" - Psalm 22:1

"O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent." - Psalm 22:2

"I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels." - Psalm 22:14

"My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death." - Psalm 22:15

Jesus said:

"After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst." - John 19:28

Then after one more thing, He said "it is finished" and died, to be shortly "taken down", and then carefully placed in the tomb, where "the earth with her bars" would be about him.

ItsAdventageous, it's not advantageous for me to keep responding to you. You're obviously copy/pasting studies you have invested a lot of time and effort in, and are convinced you're right, and are not willing to consider you might be wrong.

Later.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

Feast (TL,DNR) or Famine / Fasting (not enough!!!), the complaint is always there, rather than understanding.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

Did you see the study I have done on the subject, that convinces me from scripture? It is not that I am convinced and go looking for evidence. I am convinced by the evidence in scripture, and simply document that since you made a claim that I "changed" the definition. Feel free to provide all your proof for your definition. I will wait, ... and wait ... You did not accept my short brief answer, and so I gave you the lengthy material, showing my homework, and how I arrive at the answer. Yet, you care for neither, little or much, and complain, and yet produce no documentation of your own, and simply expect me and others to take your definition at face value, as if you were scripture. I do not accept 'you' as scripture. I accept the scripture (KJB) as scripture, and that which was provided is what scripture teaches.

ItsAdventageous · Feb 7, 2023

VARob said:

Yes, it does, and I provided that calendar to all.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...esday-thursday-or-friday.209585/#post-5012975

The problem is you do not accept the evidence I provided for what "in the heart of the earth" means. and neither do you accept anything less than 72 hrs, which is not what scripture says (at all), and is merely assumed.

Webers.Home · Feb 8, 2023

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A preponderance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored life on the third day. So in order to find out which day of the
week he was crucified, we only have to count back from thence.

Let's say, hypothetically, Sunday was the third day. So beginning there, we
get the third day is Sunday, the second day is Saturday and the first day is
Friday; which means the third night was Saturday night, the second night
was Friday night, and the first night was Thursday night. So, hypothetically,
Jesus was would've been crucified and buried on a Thursday.

Where do we place the special sabbath? Well, in accord with our hypothesis,
that would've been Friday because the Jews were getting ready for it even
as Jesus was undergoing burial Thursday afternoon. So, hypothetically, they
observed two consecutive sabbaths that year: the special sabbath followed
by the routine sabbath.

FAQ: What's the special sabbath all about?

REPLY: The first day of the week-long Feast Of Unleavened Bread. (Ex 12:16, Lev 23:5-8)
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Crucifixion on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday?

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