I totally agree! and with groundhogs statement, if you love your enemies how can you harm them.
If you love your kids you will discipline them properly (I think there is somewhere in the ot about an iron rod, mabye that's a little harsh.
) but that is an example of where you would use harm/hurt against those you love. Not sure if it is the same situation as violence to protect though.
Dear me, there is no love outside the body of Christ! Are you suggesting that Christians should love anti-christs? Because that is not what Jesus is saying, do you know anything about the Sermon on the Mount? Do you know who Jesus is addressing in His early ministry and why? Do you realize how He was able to break down the divisions that existed within the Tribes of Israel and Judah, and how it was nessessary to unite His diciples even though they had once been enemies of each other having fought many wars against each other - but now Jesus Christ says their are no enemies within My body, if you were enemies I command you to love one another as I have loved you! This is within the body of Christ, because if you don't have the Son you don't have the Father, and love is from God.
So I don't know what type of religion you have, but its not Christianity, you seem to not understand Christianity even though you have a Bible! Why do you love antichrists, why do love those who hate Christ and hate God? You believe you must love these people who hate God? You are sadly mistaken...
Cup here is the verse I was talking about earlier.
It quite clearly says to love your enemies... You might be a little confused with one of the verses similar to this.
It's Romans 12
9Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.
We are told to hate what is evil and cling to what is good, but this doesn't mean to hate people who are not christians. We are told to love them & pray for them instead of judging them.
I would also point to how jesus died on the cross - loving those who denied him and asking his father to forgive them. The definition of an Antichrist is someone who denies jesus is christ.
Matthew 5:43-48 (New International Version)
Love for Enemies
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[
a] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[
b] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Footnotes:
- Matthew 5:43 Lev. 19:18
- Matthew 5:44 Some late manuscripts enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you
Also cup, I think your taking this verse out of context. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
I think the verse is talking about the end times when god judges the people, the servants who produced more money (or good deeds/followers) were rewarded and those who did not were punished. The punishment is delivered at the end of time to gods enemies - By god and not his servants, so I don't think we can use that verse to justify killing people.
At least this is how I have understood the verse and I haven't heard anything to contradict it.
I wont post it here but here is a link to the chapter
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 19&version=NIV
Cheers,
Stuey