Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent

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Hevosmies

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I agree it makes the most sense.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I see no difference.

I will tell you why I see no difference.

Because I read the bible and I know the words originate from the Lord and as I read them, they are delivered to me from the originator. So, the originator of the message is the one that is delivering that same message to me as I read the words in the bible.
The bible says the Holy Spirit delivered the message.

It says the father originated the message

And it says the son completed the message.
 

Mem

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I see no difference.

I will tell you why I see no difference.

Because I read the bible and I know the words originate from the Lord and as I read them, they are delivered to me from the originator. So, the originator of the message is the one that is delivering that same message to me as I read the words in the bible.
With the understanding of heresy as I see it in its essence, Alistair Begg recognizes Jude as written with a tone of consternation rather than condemnation. Begg cites Jude 1:4b (They turn the grace of God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ) claiming, "there opposition isn't simply sensual, its heretical." Then, speaking about 'the logical deduction of the person of Christ' he says, "He's the master, the Lord...so when we sing, 'Jesus is Lord'...it's a statement concerning the identity of Christ Himself."

Michael himself makes the distinction between him and Jesus disputing with the devil over the body of Moses saying, "The Lord rebuke you!," a distinction between one 'like' God and Jesus who 'is' God.
 

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The Future Antichrist Is Going To Be A Jew/Hebrew in Ancestry, As Scripture Clearly Teaches
Is this your prophetic word? I’d hate to see you end up in the same heap with the other false prophets.
 

crossnote

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my particular church, no way. every sermon our pastor tells us Christ is God about 15 times, at least. we call it "rule #1" for interpreting scripture: Christ is never not God. we are trained to spot denying that within 5 minutes

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You must be a Jehovah's Witness Then?
This makes absolutely no sense, and this thoughtless response started the Michael archangel derailment.
Posthuman clearly stated Christ is NEVER NOT GOD, and the senseless response was “You must be Jehovah Witness then.
I hope you don’t do your theology like you read other posts.
 
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The bible says the Holy Spirit delivered the message.

It says the father originated the message

And it says the son completed the message.
Well then God the father is also Michael then according to that reasoning. It’s just not a sound or historical belief. Like I said before, the only other person that first came to believe what you do had to claim to be a prophet because he knew his understanding wasn’t shared by anyone else in history.
You're more concerned with world opinion and views than you are with faith. I'm not the only one who understands this. There isn't anything mysterious about Jesus being called by other names in the Scriptures, yet there is tremendous resistance from people who apparently need validation by other people on what to believe.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You're more concerned with world opinion and views than you are with faith. I'm not the only one who understands this. There isn't anything mysterious about Jesus being called by other names in the Scriptures, yet there is tremendous resistance from people who apparently need validation by other people on what to believe.
I am not sure how this answers my question. Is this a deflect?
 
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If you think it is Jesus you would be wrong

He is ABOVE the angels.. He is also the creator. No angel created anything
Jesus hasn't delivered his message to the world in the form of scripture or spoken through a prophet? I wonder how you even believe in Jesus if at all.

Give glory to all the angels then. They did all the work. Since Jesus didn't spread his message to the world, who did it? Must have been these mysterious angels we know so little about.
 

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You're more concerned with world opinion and views than you are with faith. I'm not the only one who understands this. There isn't anything mysterious about Jesus being called by other names in the Scriptures, yet there is tremendous resistance from people who apparently need validation by other people on what to believe.
That’s not true, I’m just not arrogant enough to think that a belief that I hold about Christianity can be true if no other person in 1,870 years ever came to that conclusion. And the one person that did, had to declare himself a prophet in order to get people to believe it.
 
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Jesus hasn't delivered his message to the world in the form of scripture or spoken through a prophet? I wonder how you even believe in Jesus if at all.

Give glory to all the angels then. They did all the work. Since Jesus didn't spread his message to the world, who did it? Must have been these mysterious angels we know so little about.
John 5:19
Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

John 5:30
I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

John 8:28
Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.

Jesus gave all glory to the father. I do the same
 
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Archangel = archangel, or chief of the angels.

angel =
  1. messenger, representative
    1. messenger
    2. angel
    3. the theophanic angel
Now tell me, who is chief of the angels?
Completely irrelevant to your claim that Jesus is Michael the archangel.

Will you strip Jesus of His Godhood and reduce Him to angel status?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That reply was to someone else and you haven't asked a question. Because I see little to no faith in you, you will be ignored.
Actually if you look at your response you quoted me. So you are being dishonest.

Little faith. all this by a few words. Wow man are you serious?
 

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Completely irrelevant to your claim that Jesus is Michael the archangel.

Will you strip Jesus of His Godhood and reduce Him to angel status?
Michael The Arch Angel Being Jesus Christ?

A False Teaching, From The Cults of (Ellen G. White) 7th Day Adventism And, (Charles Taze Russell) Jehovah's Witnesses
 

posthuman

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That’s not true, I’m just not arrogant enough to think that a belief that I hold about Christianity can be true if no other person in 1,870 years ever came to that conclusion. And the one person that did, had to declare himself a prophet in order to get people to believe it.
She's not JW

JWs think Michael traded places with Christ on the cross.
She thinks Michael is a Christophany, like Melchizadek and 'The Angel of the LORD' in the OT

I'm not sold on what she believes about Michael, but I do think she has a much better argument for it than the JWs have for their crazy ideas.

I'm not going to make an enemy out of my sister because of this topic, even if I think she's wrong. :)
 
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Completely irrelevant to your claim that Jesus is Michael the archangel.

Will you strip Jesus of His Godhood and reduce Him to angel status?
I'm weary of answering foolish questions and never having my very simple, straight forward question answered.

If you deny Jesus is the chief messenger of his own glorious, life-giving and sustaining word that quickens us and saves us, and to whom he will share credit with no other, then you deny the Lord Jesus is even our savior.
 
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She's not JW

JWs think Michael traded places with Christ on the cross.
She thinks Michael is a Christophany, like Melchizadek and 'The Angel of the LORD' in the OT

I'm not sold on what she believes about Michael, but I do think she has a much better argument for it than the JWs have for their crazy ideas.

I'm not going to make an enemy out of my sister because of this topic, even if I think she's wrong. :)
Thank you. I love you.
 

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