Daniel 8

WithinReason · Mar 10, 2020

Other interesting citations:

Jewish: (Rabbi) Saʻadiah ben Yosef Gaon (AD 882/892 – AD 942) on Daniel 12:12:

Daniel 12:12:

“... Thereupon he explained to him that the period would be one of 1335 years. [He did this] in his statement: Happy is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (Dan. 12:12). The term days in this sentence stands for a cycle of years, as it does in the Scriptural statement: Days 14 shall he have for its redemption (Lev. 25:29), which is followed immediately by the remark: And if it be not redeemed within the space of a full year 15 (Lev. 25:30).

Now we find that whenever the end set by our Lord to the existence of a kingdom is spoken of, it is said to be in periods of years, not of days. ..." - page 297 - Emunot ve-De'ot (aka Hebrew: “Beliefs and Opinions” )(aka Arabic: Kitab al-Amanat wal-I'tikadat (aka English: Book of the Articles of Faith and Doctrines of Dogma ; aka English: The Book of Beliefs and Opinions; completed AD 933) - http://books.google.com/books?id=Lr84AAAAIAAJ&dq=editions:micxTLuEJTQC&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=1335

Muslim (Scholar/Polymath): Abū Rayḥān al-Bīrūnī, the Persian Astronomer (AD 4/5 September 973 - AD 13 December 1048) on the Christian and Jewish conceptions of the day/year of the 1335 of Daniel 12:12:

Daniel 12:12:

“... The Jews and Christians … So the Jews expect … at the end of the 1335 years ...” - The Chronology of Ancient Nations, and English Version of the Arabic Text of Muhammad ibn Ahmad Biruni, ed. C. Eduard Sachau, London, 1879 p. 18 - http://books.google.com/books?id=pFIEAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Abba Hillel Silver, in a paperback edition of his work published in 1959, lists several Jewish commentators who recognized the year-day principle as applied to the 1290, 1335, and 2300 days of Daniel's prophecies.

5 Abba Hillel Silver, Messianic Speculation in Israel, p. 14.

The first of these rabbis,

Nahawendi, considered the 2,300 “evenings and mornings” of Daniel 8:14 as years ...

Nahawendi was soon followed by others, such as Saadia ben Joseph from the same century and Solomon ben Jeroham from the tenth century. The latter applied the year-day principle to the 1,335 days of Daniel 12:12. ...

The famous rabbi, Rashi (1040–1105), ended the 2,300 year-days ...

3 Froom, Vol. II, pp. 195, 196. 4 Ibid., p. 196.

Nahawendi also counted the 1,290 days of Daniel 12:11 as a period of years, ...

Abraham bar Hiyya Hanasi (c. 1065–1136) speculated that the 2,300-, the 1,290-and the 1,335-year periods would terminate on different dates ... The end of the 2,300 year-days ...

5 Ibid., pp. 201, 210, 211.

Rondonmon · Mar 12, 2020

WithinReason said:

The Four winds mean either DIRECTION or it shows God directing the affairs of men as He did in bringing Alexander the Great to power. WINDS have a cause and effect on the earth, likewise, God's WILL has a cause and effect on the earth. I think the reference is to both God causing these events and the DIRECTION of the TMEM it refers to. NOTICE:

and for it {Alex the Great} came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

So we are told that FOR IT, or in Alexander the Greats stead four Kings arose, towards the South, North, East and West, or on some combination of the four winds. Whichever one is thus designated in verse 9 then is THE KEY. And what direction does the Little Horn arise from? Well, the verse specifically tells us.

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

So this Little Horn/Anti-Christ waxes great or grows in power by conquering TOWARDS the South, East, and Israel. {Pleasant Land}. So that means he has to originate from the Northwest, which is, of course, Greece, not Egypt, not Syria, not Turkey, but from Greece !!

Egypt {Ptolem y} would be south of Israel and all the other four. Selecus {Seleucid Empire} would be east of Israel and East and/or basically North of all the other 3 Kingdoms. Lysimachus would be North of Israel and Egypt, west of Seleucus and east of Cassander or Greece as it is known today. So only Greece can Conquer coming out of the Northwest !!

I think you are correct, it's referring to the WIND DIRECTION, but in this case, the THEM is both the Wind direction and the Little Horns country of origin.

I will look at your other posts separately, I like the fact that you try to break these things down and seem willing to learn as you go if we can't learn we should know everything, and we are just peons compared to the Master/Jesus and God the Father.

But I see your mind turnover important facts here, whilst others I debate with are intrinsic in their positions to a fault. I can change my opinions if it is of me, when God gives me something like the 1260 event, and the 1290 and 1335, no matter if men can grasp it or not, i shant be moved on the subject, but my own opinions can, of course, be swayed by facts. I still get people who look at me on the 1260, 1290 and 1335 like WHAT ? LOL, it is what it is.

WithinReason · Mar 12, 2020

Rondonmon said:

I do not disagree with you. As the remaining posts show. From the appearance of Jerusalem, it would look like Rome came from the Greecian empire as it conquered its way through, at the same time incorporating Greecian language, philosophy, and even government into itself. That is why the 4th beast of Daniel 7 has Iron (Roman) teeth and "Brass" (Greecia) Claws.

"For it", literally means 'in the place of', or 'in the stead/position/office/room'. I agree with you.

Rondonmon said:

Nice map. No issues. Yet, please notice, as I said, Antiochus Epiphanes IV, never had control over the whole "land" of Judaea. It was always in contention with the southern branch of the Greecian horn, namely that of Ptolemy. Only Rome had control over all the "pleasant land".

Rondonmon said:

Yes I bascially agree with you here, except with the last sentence. Greece was already ruling in the northwest. It would be a new power coming from that direction that would sweep through Greece with its Roman armies that would absorb greecian culture, speech, and even take its capital (Head), "Pella". A capital city in scripture is likened unto a "head":

Isa 7:8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.

Isa 7:9 And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.

Thus the "Head" of that Goat was "Pella", which was conquered by the Romans at the time so specified.

Rondonmon said:

I wouldn't argue the point, and basically choose 'both' (option 3, see previous responses) as the most correct answer that fits all. Remember, Rome started as a very small 'city-state' (whose primary enemy were the Carthaginians, but once they were defeated, Rome spread from littleness), just as its religious counter-part did, 'Vatican'.

I recommend these as useful:

Rondonmon said:

Ok, good deal. Thank you.

It takes a long time to type stuff, and place it in presentable format for easy perusal. I would hate to think persons do not at least consider it .

Rondonmon said:

Basically agreed. I am willing to look as deep as any desire to go, and willing to consider points I may not have thought of before. I have not come to my position in a moment in time, but through 11 years or so of study now, and polishing.

Rondonmon said:

You will have to be more specific, so that I may consider what you mean.

Rondonmon said:

From the position I take, I understand the 1,260, 1,290 and 1,335 in prophecy, as well as in type and anti-type. I understand the structure of Daniel and Revelation. There can always be more polishing though.

Rondonmon · Mar 12, 2020

Lucy-Pevensie said:

And Greece was a Beast over the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR) as was Rome, as were the Babylonians and Persians, none of which are in the Middle East per see. But both Greece and Rome are Mediterranean Cintrc. So by your reasoning, the end time beast can't be from the E.U. even though the 3rd and 4rth Beast were AND the 5th Beast/Little Horn is said to ARISE out of the Head of the Fourth Beast. In other words, he's going to look like Papa on a map, not the Alexander Kingdom on a map, not the Babylon Kingdom on a map, but he looks like the Old Roman Empire on a MAP....he has the exact same landmass, (the same DNA so to speak) Only Rome covered every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Coast did you know that ? Greece only covered about half of the coastline. That's why Rome CRUSHED, it dominated the whole region being spoken about. On a Map, the A.C.'s Kingdom will match to a tee the Roman Empires.

So a Man {A.C.} from the E.U. can't Conquer Israel and the whole MSR and be Middle Eastern Centric, even though Rome and Greece did?

Lucy-Pevensie said:

I am never going to agree with someone on a biblical point when I see them as wrong, nor would I ever threaten someone they had to see as I do or I will cut off all conversation with them, that is what we call confirmation bias sister, one who only wishes to he's from those that agree with them can be quite dangerous, to be honest. I would never go against God to make a friend sister. It is what it is.

Lucy-Pevensie said:

The Anti-Christ wipes out Islam, if ALL MEN have to worship him as God or die, is that not self-explanatory?

Lucy-Pevensie said:

Correct on numerical facts, but both are MEN. The Beast out of the Sea is a man, the bible tells us that in many places, even here, the first Beast has an IMAGE of him placed in the Temple by the Second Beast. In Rev. 19:20 BITH MEN are cast into hell !!

One is a Gentile Government King/Leader/AC/Beast, the other is a Jewish High Priest. I got that from studying Daniel 11 for like 4 to 5 months, I did an Exegesis of the whole chapter bit by bit, EVERY King and every subject in the chapter I identify. Antiochus who is seen in Dan. 11:21-33....maybe 34 is the TYPE Anti-Christ, he's a Greek, he defiles the Temple of God etc. but there is a hidden partner he has in history that Daniel says nothing about, in essence, because God did not give him anything on the False Prophet for a unique reason, as I will explain later. But I found out about him researching History and the book of Maccabeans. A Pious High Priest named Onias III was murdered by Antiochus, a man named Jason (real name Yeshua.....Greek calls them Jesus, Jacob or Jason} bribed Antiochus into naming him the High Priest of Israel, Onias III was Jason's brother !! Jason then tried to Hellenize the Jews which means he tried to get them to forsake their Jewish culture/ways/God and act like the Greeks, serve the gods of the Greeks etc. But the Maccabeans Revolted, thus the Maccabean Revolt. The coming False Prophet will be just like Jason under Antiochus. We had the DYNAMIC DUO as a TYPE already once.

The reason Daniel was not given an understanding of the coming False Prophet is seen in King Herod's actions, he tried to kill baby Jesus fearing the Pro prophecy. Likewise, if Daniel had written about the coming "False Prophet" every other Jewish High priest over the next 500 or so years would have been killed, no doubt. So John was given the False Prophet because Israel had been dispersed via the diaspora by that time.

Lucy-Pevensie said:

The Beast that Arises out of the Sea is not PEOPLES sister, look at the other Four Beasts, they were KINGS THAT AROSE, who then passed on their Kingdoms to others, but they all arose as KINGS FIRST !!

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. {AC is a 5th, really a 7th}

The Harlot False Religions are KILLED OFF in verses 17:16.

Lucy-Pevensie said:

There is no MYSTERY BABYLON, its Mystery, {COMMA} Babylon the Great. there are FOUR IDENTIFIERS on her head or their is a Header that goes like this...........

MYSTERY:
1. Babylon the Great, 2. Mother of Harlots, 3. Abominations of the Earth.

We know its not a Mystery via verse 7, the Angel clearly says COME I WILL SHOW YOU the Mystery of the Harlot and the Beast she rides.

False Religion {Harlot} AND False Governance {Beast Governments} are what the Harlot and Beast represent.

Rondonmon · Mar 13, 2020

WithinReason said:

Yes. and why do we get Daniel 11s run-down of the Greek Lineage? And why does it run up until Antiochus (THE ARCH TYPE) via verses 21-33-maybe 34 and then give us the REAL Anti-Christ in verses 36-45? Because the Anti-Christ is born in Greece !! Which is in the E.U. and the Little Horn comes out of the Head of the Fourth Beast, he is NOT a part of the Fourth Beast, God loves His grand riddles, the Disciples/Us the Church are the only ones who can comprehend them, and sometimes even we can't get it until we are SO CLOSE unto it that it KNOCKS US DOWN, LOL... Like it did me one day. The Fourth Beast received a Mortal Wound, he is no more, but God gave us a wonderful riddle and its all about DNA !! When we have a child it looks like us right?

Because of DNA, likewise, the riddle about the Little Horn coming out of the Fourth Beast HAS NOTHING to do with the Fourth Beast carrying on for 2000 years, its all about the Little Horn, the actual 5th Beast, but really the 7th Beast Head as we know from Rev. 13, looking just like the Roman Empire on a MAP !! Go look at any old Map, Greece covered about half of the Mediterranean Coastline, Babylon and Persia far less of the Coastline, this Beast is coming out of THE SEA {Mediterranean Sea} thus Rome is shown to be more fierce than the other, in juxtaposition to the Mediterranean area that is being spoken of. The Little Horn will look exactly like him on a MAP, this he also must start out from Europe, and he can't conquer in Alexander's Direction {East} he must have all of Europe in his grasp, and then conquer South and around the WHOLE COASTLINE !! And the E.U. currently has deals in place with just these countries, 7-year deals !! All around the Mediterranean Sea Coast, from Lebanon to Tunisia and all points in between, of course From Gibraltar and Spain that is already in Europe.

WithinReason said:

OK, you are starting down a Dead End here, but In will play along for a bit. Because I got a feeling we are headed to the ole RCC is the Pagan Beast, but we will see soon, I am on a journey to find out.

WithinReason said:

We are STRETCHING HERE, trying to say Antiochus didn't plunder the Holy Land to try and prove a point is stretching, he WAS NOT the Beast, but he was the ARCH TYPE !! God didn't give us him as a TYPE for no reason. He did very similar things.

WithinReason said:

Antiochus basically wasn't even a Beast Kingdom in the area, he was pretty much a man at the mercy of Rome at this time, but what he did in Jerusalem makes him the ARCH TYPE.

WithinReason said:

This is true, but its END TIME EVENTS staring in verse 9. Some of Gabriel's interpretation covers BOTH timelines also, just like 8 and 9.

WithinReason said:

I agree with all this, as long as you don't try to slip in the RCC, that is where I feared you were going, I have a sense of these things. I have seen too many people and their arguments over 35 years, thus I have an innate ability to spot trends, LOL. We'll see. You see what tips me off is you are calling it Pagan Rome, when they were ALL pagan, but you don't call them such, because, IMHO, I see the RCC argument coming up, We'll see shortly !!

No one gets the 5th Beast here, its the Little Horn in the End Times !!

WithinReason said:

#2420 חִידָה chiydah {khee-daw'}

from H2330; TWOT - 616a; n f

—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) riddle, difficult question, parable, enigmatic saying or question,
perplexing saying or question
1a) riddle (dark obscure utterance)
1b) riddle, enigma (to be guessed)
1c) perplexing questions (difficult)
1d) double dealing (with 'havin')

—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
From H2330; a puzzle; hence a trick, conundrum, sententious maxim:—dark saying (sentence, speech), hard question, proverb, riddle.

We don't have to get TOO DEEP here, he gets his POWER by Satan, verse 24 says so, AND his power shall be MIGHTY, but not by his OWN POWER !! So the Dark Sentences means he has DARK POWERS/Black Majic so to speak. Rev. 13:2 basically says the same thing.

Rev. 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his POWER, and his seat, and great authority.

WithinReason said:

We tie him to the END TIME Anti-Christ of Rev. 13 brother. Which is the Little Horn who ARISES out of the E.U. to look like his Papa did on a Map. He covers the exact same Landmass !!

WithinReason said:

Since this VISION is about the End Time Anti-Christ starting in verse 9, and this is verse 13, then the question is HOW LONG shall the AoD last during the end times. The Answer is 1150 days because its 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices.

WithinReason said:

I skipped answering the rest because you are overanalyzing brother. Its END TIME EVENTS after verse 4. what are you trying to prove? You are answering your own posts, but you still haven't got to an answer after all those posts. BE CONCISE, LOL. I can't go any further because you are on another page....

Rondonmon · Mar 13, 2020

WithinReason said:

This is nonfactual brother, the very fact we get the Prophecy in THREE SEPARATE sets of Seven should tell you that what you are describing can not be the case. Even if 70 AD had of been the 70th week, that is not linear or as you put it, contiguous. You see, I assume if Israel had of repented, Jesus would have come back and saved them in 70 AD, but of course God knowing all things knew they would not, so he dispersed them around the world, blinded them, AND took the mantle of carrying God's message to the world away from them and gave it to the Gentile Church, thus in Romans 9-11, Paul cites Esau and Jacob, he cites the POTTERS WHEEL, God chooses whom he will, God chose the Elder {Israel} to be under the Younger {Church} just like he chose Jacob over Esau. God blinded Israel as a NATION ONLY not the individual Jews who can all come unto God via Jesus just like the rest of us, but as a Nation, God took away THEIR CALLING, until just after the Rapture of the church, then they will REPENT {1/3 do, see Zechariah 13:8-9, and Zech. 12:10}

Tangent there......LOL. Anyway, preachers do that at times !! But God placed the Three Prophecies in three sets of SEVENS on purpose !! 49 Years till the way was complete or 7 x 7, then 62 weeks until Jesus' death, and then it would have been another 7 year period during the 70 AD Event, but Israel never REPENTED, and the Prophecy REQUIRES Israel to Repent, it might have come during the 7 years after Jesus died, IF Israel had repented, but they didn't, they still haven't repented as a NATION, and until they do, God will not deliver them the Holy Spirit as shown in Zechariah 13:1. The 70th-week begins AFTER the Rapture of the Church, thus the times of the gentiles will have COME FULL. Which has nothing to do with the Gentiles trampling down Jerusalem for 42 months, that can ONLY STARET with the Anti-Christ because it lasts only 42 Months.

WithinReason said:

And God didn't give is THREE SETS of time on all of those, did He? But He did here, 7 x 7, a 62 x 7 and a 1 x 7.

WithinReason said:

I think you are Copy & Pasting all this, if so, unless its your stuff, you can't be doing anything but following other Men's Ideas brother.

WithinReason said:

You are going to come out and say it EVENTUALLY, you are going the long way around saying what we already know you are going to say, but in this case, you are OFF-KILTER on this brother. It's CLEAR this is an END TIME EVENT. You are wasting a lot of time getting to the obvious point brother. To be honest, you are bogging down in minutia, you try so hard to prove a point that can't be proved because it's not factual. If there is one thing in the world I know its Prophecy brother, God has given me keen insight to these last-day events, it took 25 years for the flood to start, I was like everyone else, stuck in the mud until I heard God/Holy Spirit tell me why we have so many understandings of what Babylon is, The Harlot is, the Beast is etc. He said, "Ron, you guys already know everything" and I straight away understood, we were plugging our own ideas, or worse yet, just like the Pharisees, we were following MEN'S TRADITIONS on all things Prophecy, because it was OVER OUR HEADS as young Christians, so instead of being SIMPLE and ASKING God what this, this and that meant, we followed MEN'S IDEAS, they got ingrained in us, now {like the Pharisess} God/Jesus can't reach us, we already have ALL THE ANSWERS !!

Hearing that, you should know the first thing I did, I simplified everything, I forgot everything I knew, I started rereading the book of Revelation, Daniel, etc. etc, and when I came to things that I could;t understand in full I simply said WHAT DOES THIS MEAN Lord? LOL, It works man, God taught us the Gospels, but we rely on other men to teach us the Prophetic books !! YIKES !! Needless to say, everything started RUSHING IN, just like when I was a babe in Christ and the Gospels seemed to SPILL INTO MY SOUL !!

God bless brother, but the truth is, you are spending a lot of time trying to disprove a FACT.

WithinReason · Mar 13, 2020

Rondonmon said:

It is most factual, as cited.

7 + 62 + 1.

Even the final 1 is divided into 2 parts, 3 1/2 and 3 1/2 as already addressed. Just because the 70 is subdivided into parts doesn't mean that those parts are not contiguous, as they add to whole, which itself is merely the part of the 2,300 as shown by many evidences.

The 70 weeks didn't end in AD 70, it was, as shown, AD 34.

God does this all the time, in showing that it is not normal time (natural days) in prophecy, but symbolic time (days), or years naturally.

Consider that God even did this with the maneh:

Eze_45:12 And the shekel shall be twenty gerahs: twenty shekels, five and twenty shekels, fifteen shekels, shall be your maneh.

Therefore, the total for the maneh is 60 shekel, unlike others who say it is 50. God did it that way on purpose.

You are in error, as I have shown.

[4] Daniel's prophecy of the "seventy weeks" (Daniel 9:24) which is subdivided into "seven weeks" (Daniel 9:25a) and "threescore" (Daniel 9:25b) "and two weeks" (Daniel 9:25c) (which has no 'gaps' between "threescore" and "two"), of which the final "one week" (70th; Daniel 9:27) is again subdivided into two parts, "in the midst of the week" (Daniel 9:27), being exactly 3 1/2 and 3 1/2 days of the final week - 490 years, being subdivided into 49 years, 434 years = 483 years with 7 years left, half of the 7 final years being fulfilled and confirmed by Jesus from Baptism (Messiah the Prince) unto Crucifixion ("cut off"), which is 3 1/2 years from AD 27 to AD 31 ("causing the sacrifice and oblation to cease", which was "after threescore" "and two weeks" (Daniel 9:26), which has no 'gaps'), and the final portion of the final week, being confirmed by the apostles/disciples in Jesus' stead (John 20:21; Hebrews 2:3, etc) unto the toning of Stephen, in AD 34. This 70 weeks is merely a portion ("determined" (Daniel 9:24), for Jesus is the "certain" saint (the wonderful numberer; Daniel 8:13, which sections, "determines" (Acts 17:26) the times unto man from the greater time (Genesis) allotted) see also Daniel 8:1,15,16,17,19, 27, 9:21,22, "vision", "understand", "Gabriel", "at the first", etc) of the greater time prophecy of 2,300 (Daniel 8:13,14,26; Revelation 9:15, 10:6, 14:6-7). And for those which erroneously teach that the 7 final years (of the 70 weeks) take place at the end of time ('separated' from the first 69 weeks by over 2 millennia (2,000 years)), they generally accept 'no gaps', even though the final week of the 70 weeks is divided into two, with "in the midst of the week".

Why don't you place an imaginary 2000 years between the first 7 and the 62? Why not place an imaginary 2000 years between the 62 and final 1? Why do you wait into the last half of the final seven (which itself is a complete whole) Notice, the 70 weeks, by Hebrew are 70 7's. All are of the same, one set of 7 following another. Remember that Daniel was studying Jeremiah's 70 years, which were contiguous, and it was through that that God showed him the 70 x 7 years.

WithinReason · Mar 13, 2020

Rondonmon said:

Notice again, and let's use your logic and follow it to the end and conclusion, using the same methodology for all the other places that do the same, for instance:

Dan_7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan_12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Rev_12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

According to your 'reasoning', the 1,260 is not contiguous either. Why don't you place 2000 years between "a time" and "times", or between "times" and "half a time"? Use the same measurement, use the same scale of reasoning.

GaryA · May 17, 2020

WithinReason said:

I understand all-to-well. And, I-for-one appreciate what you have done here - and, intend to use it to do some studying. I may ask you to expound a bit on parts of it.

Dave-L · May 17, 2020

Chester said:

I agree except Antichrist showed up already when he was supposed to.

GaryA · May 17, 2020

"Food for thought..."

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

Nebuchadnezzer · May 18, 2020

Chester said:

The Maccabean Revolt (Hebrew: מרד החשמונאים‎) was a Jewish rebellion, lasting from 167 to 160 BCE, led by the Maccabees against the Seleucid Empire and the Hellenistic influence on Jewish life. After the victory, the Maccabees entered Jerusalem in triumph and ritually cleansed the Temple, reestablishing traditional Jewish worship

Antiochus IV Epiphanes was a Hellenistic king of the Seleucid Empire from 175 BC until his death in 164 BC.

Daniel 8:13-14
Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?”

“It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

2300 days / 365 day/yr = 6.3 yrs.
167 bc to 160 bc = ~7 yrs.

Is this the correct interpretation?

Chester · May 19, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

The Maccabean Revolt (Hebrew: מרד החשמונאים‎) was a Jewish rebellion, lasting from 167 to 160 BCE, led by the Maccabees against the Seleucid Empire and the Hellenistic influence on Jewish life. After the victory, the Maccabees entered Jerusalem in triumph and ritually cleansed the Temple, reestablishing traditional Jewish worship

Antiochus IV Epiphanes was a Hellenistic king of the Seleucid Empire from 175 BC until his death in 164 BC.

Daniel 8:13-14
Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?”

“It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

2300 days / 365 day/yr = 6.3 yrs.
167 bc to 160 bc = ~7 yrs.

Is this the correct interpretation?

Yes, you got the history and part about Antiochus correct. I also think it is a double prophecy also giving a picture of a later Antichrist who will come in the same character as Epiphanes.

Rondonmon · May 22, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

This is true, but you have the Dan. 8:13-14 verses wrong, its about the End Time Anti-Christ. Verse 9 tells us it speaking about the Little Horn from that point forward.

Ever hear of Jason ? Real name Yeshua ? He was the High Priest Antiochus appointed via a bribe. I discovered this while putting together who all the Kings and players were in Daniel 11. His brother Onias III, a Pious High Prirst was killed and Antiochus then appointed him, he is in the book of Maccabeans, he tried to get the Jews to Hellenize, but the Maccabeans Revolted. Thus he is a TYPE of the coming False Prophet, just like Antiochus is a TYPE of the Anti-Christ, thus THEY TOGETHER are a TYPE of an end time dynamic duo so to speak. He took the Greek name Jason.

It will indeed be 2300 Evenings and Mornings, but that is 1150 days. The word used in Daniel 8 that says days is in error, it has 2 words which mean Evening and Morning, thus 2300 Evenig AND Mornings amount to 1150 days of 2 Sacrifices a day.

Nebuchadnezzer · May 31, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

What I posted is WRONG!

Correction: This about the little horn which conquered the greek kingdoms, and the little horn which destroyes Judea. This is the 7 year Roman Jewish War. This is a different vision of the same event(s).

Daniel 8:13-14 is to Daniel's 70th week in Daniel 9.

The math above is correct.
2300 days / 365 day/yr = 6.3 yrs.
But the dating is wrong.
167 bc to 160 bc = ~7 yrs.
Here is the correct dating.
late 66AD to early 73AD = 6.3 yrs.

Roman Jewish war started during the 12th year of Nero's Reign (After October 66AD)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish–Roman_War

and ended early in 73AD at the Siege of Masada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Masada

Prycejosh1987 · Jul 23, 2020

oldhermit said:

The three at the end of days, The Antichrist, the false prophet, and Satan.

Nebuchadnezzer · Nov 2, 2020

oldhermit said:

Daniel 8:25 foretells the spiritual victory Jesus of Nazareth will have over Satan. Most people aren't interested in spiritual truth, which is why they don't see this.

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