Daniel Chapter two

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Mem

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The Iron and Clay simply means that Rome is DIVIDED into many factions, then reunites as MANY NATIONS (the E.U.) hence they are partly strong (Germany, Spain, France, etc.) and partly weak (Estonia, Belarus, Gibraltar, etc.) Irn and clay doesn't mix well, of course, thus many nations trying to be a united front will not work great until they give all of their power over unto ONE MAN.
We would do well to refrain from giving all power, and that of interpretation include, to any one man.... or rondonmon in this case :sneaky: haaa, sorry, i couldn't resist :geek:
 

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We would do well to refrain from giving all power, and that of interpretation include, to any one man.... or rondonmon in this case :sneaky: haaa, sorry, i couldn't resist :geek:
You give me nothing, as a Preacher of over 35 years, this is my calling. If you can't understand it, maybe you ought to put in as much effort as I have, then the Hoy Spirit will reveal all things unto you.
 

Mem

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You give me nothing, as a Preacher of over 35 years, this is my calling. If you can't understand it, maybe you ought to put in as much effort as I have, then the Hoy Spirit will reveal all things unto you.
This all seems to have an awfully supercilious tone toward me but if I'm ever able to reach the pinnacle you have managed to achieve. I'll be sure to tell everyone about it.
 

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For those who are interested in the history of Jerusalem :

- The babylonians destroyed Jerusalem


- it was rebuilt at the time of the Persian control


- Jerusalem went under Greek control, then Ptolomaic control and Seleucid control


- it went under Roman control


- it was destroyed by the Romans


- The Roman emperor Hadrien rebuilt it as a Roman colony


- The emperor Constantine rebuilt it as a Christian center of worship


- it went under Arabic and turkish and Christian and Arabic and Ottoman control


- It was under British control between 1917 and 1948 : in 1947, Palestine was divided into two states : one Jewish and one Arab


- following the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, Jerusalem was divided into two parts.


- During the sixth-day war, Israel captured East Jerusalem in 1967
 

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it is important to look carefully at history!
 

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TIMELINE OF HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

17th-6th C. BCE BIBLICAL TIMES

c.17th century
13th-12th
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Israelites settle in the Land of Israel

c.1020 Jewish monarchy established; Saul, first king.

c.1000 Jerusalem made capital of David's kingdom.

c.960 First Temple, the national and spiritual center of the Jewish people, built in Jerusalem by King Solomon.

c. 930 Divided kingdom: Judah and Israel

722-720 Israel crushed by Assyrians; 10 tribes exiled (Ten Lost Tribes).

586
Judah conquered by Babylonia; Jerusalem and First Temple destroyed; most Jews exiled.
 

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THE SECOND TEMPLE PERIOD
538-142
Persian and Hellenistic periods
538-515 Many Jews return from Babylonia; Temple rebuilt.
332 Land conquered by Alexander the Great; Hellenistic rule.
166-160 Maccabean (Hasmonean) revolt against restrictions on practice of Judaism and desecration of the Temple
142-129 Jewish autonomy under Hasmoneans.
129-63 Jewish independence under Hasmonean monarchy.
63 Jerusalem captured by Roman general, Pompey.
 

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Roman rule
63 BCE-313 CE
63-4 BCE
Herod, Roman vassal king, rules the Land of Israel;
Temple in Jerusalem refurbished
(CE - The Common Era)
c. 20-33 Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth
66 Jewish revolt against the Romans
70 Destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple.
73 Last stand of Jews at Masada.
132-135 Bar Kokhba uprising against Rome.
c. 210 Codification of Jewish oral law (Mishna) completed.
 

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FOREIGN DOMINATION
313-636
Byzantine rule
c. 390 Commentary on the Mishna (Jerusalem Talmud) completed.
614 Persian invasion
636-1099 Arab rule
691 On site of First and Second Temples in Jerusalem, Dome of the Rock built by Caliph Abd el-Malik.
1099-1291 Crusader domination
(Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem)
1291-1516 Mamluk rule
 

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1517-1917 Ottoman rule
1564 Code of Jewish law (Shulhan Arukh) published.
1860 First neighborhood built outside walls of Jerusalem's Old City.
1882-1903 First Aliya (large-scale immigration), mainly from Russia.
1897 First Zionist Congress convened by Theodor Herzl in Basel, Switzerland; Zionist Organization founded.
1904-14 Second Aliya, mainly from Russia and Poland.
1909 First kibbutz, Degania, and first modern all-Jewish city, Tel Aviv, founded.
1917 400 years of Ottoman rule ended by British conquest;
British Foreign Minister Balfour pledges support for establishment of a "Jewish national home in Palestine"
 

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British rule 1918-48
1919-23 Third Aliya, mainly from Russia
1920 Histadrut (General Federation of Labor) and Haganah (Jewish defense organization) founded.
Vaad Leumi (National Council) set up by Jewish community (Yishuv) to conduct its affairs.
1921 First moshav (cooperative village), Nahalal, founded.
1922 Britain granted Mandate for Palestine (Land of Israel) by League of Nations; Transjordan set up on three-fourths of the area, leaving one fourth for the Jewish national home.
Jewish Agency representing Jewish community vis-a-vis Mandate authorities set up.
1924 Technion, first institute of technology, founded in Haifa.
1924-32 Fourth Aliya, mainly from Poland.
1925 Hebrew University of Jerusalem opened on Mount Scopus.
1929 Hebron Jews massacred by Arab terrorists.
1931 Etzel, Jewish underground organization, founded.
1933-39 Fifth Aliya, mainly from Germany.
1936-39 Anti-Jewish riots instigated by Arab terrorists.
1939 Jewish immigration severely limited by British White Paper.
1939-45 World War II; Holocaust in Europe.
1941 Lehi underground movement formed; Palmach, strike force of Haganah, set up.
1944 Jewish Brigade formed as part of British forces.
1947 UN proposes the establishment of Arab and Jewish states in the Land.
 

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STATE OF ISRAEL
1948

End of British Mandate (14 May)
State of Israel proclaimed (14 May).
Israel invaded by five Arab states (15 May).
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) established.
War of Independence (May 1948-July 1949).

1949
Armistice agreements signed with Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon.
Jerusalem divided under Israeli and Jordanian rule.
First Knesset (parliament) elected.
Israel admitted to United Nations as 59th member.
1948-52 Mass immigration from Europe and Arab countries.
1956 Sinai Campaign
1962 Adolf Eichmann tried and executed in Israel for his part in the Holocaust.
1964 National Water Carrier completed, bringing water from Lake Kinneret in the north to the semi-arid south.
1967 Six-Day War; Jerusalem reunited.
1968-70 Egypt's War of Attrition against Israel
1973 Yom Kippur War
1975 Israel becomes an associate member of the European Common Market.
1977 Likud forms government after Knesset elections, end of 30 years of Labor rule.
Visit of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat to Jerusalem.
1978 Camp David Accords include framework for comprehensive peace in the Middle East and proposal for Palestinian self-government.
1979 Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty signed.
Prime Minister Menachem Begin and President Anwar Sadat awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
1981 Israel Air Force destroys Iraqi nuclear reactor just before it is to become operative.
1982 Israel's three-stage withdrawal from Sinai Peninsula completed.
Operation Peace for Galilee removes Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) terrorists from Lebanon.
1984 National unity government (Likud and Labor) formed after elections.
Operation Moses, immigration of Jews from Ethiopia.
 

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1985 Free Trade Agreement signed with United States.
1987 Widespread violence (Intifada) starts in Israeli-administered areas.
1988 Likud government wins elections.
1989 Four-point peace initiative proposed by Israel.
Start of mass immigration of Jews from former Soviet Union.
1991 Israel attacked by Iraqi Scud missiles during Gulf war.
Middle East peace conference convened in Madrid;
Operation Solomon, airlift of Jews from Ethiopia
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1992 Diplomatic relations established with China and India.
New government headed by Yitzhak Rabin of Labor Party.
1993 Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements for the Palestinians signed by Israel and PLO, as representative of the Palestinian people (Oslo Accords).
1994 Implementation of Palestinian self-government in Gaza Strip and Jericho area.
Full diplomatic relations with the Holy See.
Morocco and Tunisia interest offices
set up.
Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty signed.
Rabin, Peres, Arafat awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
1995 Broadened Palestinian self-government implemented in West Bank and Gaza Strip; Palestinian Council elected.
Prime Minister Rabin assassinated at peace rally.
Shimon Peres becomes prime minister.
1996 Fundamentalist Arab terrorism against Israel escalates.
Operation Grapes of Wrath, retaliation for Hizbullah terrorists' attacks on northern Israel.
Trade representation offices set up in Oman and Qatar.
Likud forms government after Knesset elections.
Binyamin Netanyahu elected prime minister.
Omani trade representation office opened in Tel Aviv.
1997 Hebron Protocol signed by Israel and the PA.
1998 Israel celebrates its 50th anniversary.
Israel and the PLO sign the Wye River Memorandum to facilitate implementation of the Interim Agreement.
1999 Ehud Barak (left-wing One Israel party) elected prime minister; forms coalition government.
Israel and the PLO sign the Sharm-el-Sheikh Memorandum.
 

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2000 Visit of Pope Paul II.
Israel withdraws from the Security Zone in southern Lebanon.
Israel admitted to UN Western European and Others Group.
Renewed violence (Second Intifada). Prime Minister Barak resigns.
2001 Ariel Sharon (Likud) elected Prime Minister; forms broad-based unity government.
The Sharm-el-Sheikh Fact-Finding Committee report (Mitchell Report) issued.
Palestinian-Israeli Security Implementation Work Plan (Tenet ceasefire plan) proposed.
Rechavam Ze'evy, Minister of Tourism, assassinated by Palestinian terrorists.
2001 Ariel Sharon (Likud) elected Prime Minister; forms broad-based unity government.
The Sharm-el-Sheikh Fact-Finding Committee report (Mitchell Report) issued.
Palestinian-Israeli Security Implementation Work Plan (Tenet ceasefire plan) proposed.
Rechavam Ze'evy, Minister of Tourism, assassinated by Palestinian terrorists.
2002
Israel launches Operation Defensive Shield in response to massive Palestinian terrorist attacks.
Israel begins building the anti-terrorist fence to stop West Bank terrorists from killing Israeli citizens.
Prime Minister Sharon disperses the Knesset, calling for new elections to be held on 28 January 2003.
2003
Right-of-center coalition government formed by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
Israel accepts the Roadmap.
2005
Israel carries out the Disengagement Plan, ending Israel's presence in the Gaza Strip.
2006
After Prime Minister Sharon suffers a stroke, Ehud Olmert becomes acting prime minister.
Following elections on 28 March, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert forms new government led by the Kadima Party.
Israel carried out military operations against Palestinian terrorists in Gaza after kidnapping of Israeli soldier.
The Second War in Lebanon, during which Israel carried out military operations against Hizbullah terrorism from southern Lebanon, following missile attacks and kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers.
2007
Shimon Peres elected President by the Knesset.
Israel declares Gaza "hostile territory" following Hamas violent takeover of Gaza Strip.
2008
Israel celebrates its 60th anniversary.
Israel launches its Gaza Operation (Operation Cast Lead) in response to the barrage of over 10,000 rockets and mortars fired from the Gaza Strip.
2009
Benjamin Netanyahu is elected Prime Minister in national elections held in February 2009, and forms a broad-based coalition government
The city of Tel Aviv celebrates its 100th anniversary.
2010
Israel joins the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
 

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44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people
This verse needs to be interpreted properly in the light of Daniel 7. "In the time of those kings" indicates that judgment will fall on the earth in the time of those kings (Revelation 17:12-14). It is only after those kings and kingdoms are destroyed that Christ sets up His eternal Kingdom.
 

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Maybe God just wanted the Israelites to know that he could use anyone to convey what he wanted to express, even if that person believed in other gods,For example, the Koran.
Do you realize how nonsensical this sounds?
 

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This verse needs to be interpreted properly in the light of Daniel 7. "In the time of those kings" indicates that judgment will fall on the earth in the time of those kings (Revelation 17:12-14). It is only after those kings and kingdoms are destroyed that Christ sets up His eternal Kingdom.
Then what do you do with Rev 11:
We give thanks to thee, Lord God Almighty, who art and who wast,
that thou hast taken thy great power and begun to reign.
18 The nations raged, but thy wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear thy name, both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”
 

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Then what do you do with Rev 11:
We give thanks to thee, Lord God Almighty, who art and who wast,
that thou hast taken thy great power and begun to reign.
18 The nations raged, but thy wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear thy name, both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”
This passage is IN ANTICIPATION of what is to come, even though it appears as though it is happening right then. There are many events between Revelation 11 and Revelation 19 -21.

So to put it in chronological order, this is how is happens:
1. The nations raged, but thy wrath came - Rev 14 & 19
2. destroying the destroyers of the earth -- Rev 19
3. thou hast taken thy great power and begun to reign -- Rev 20
4. rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints -- Rev 20
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and those who fear thy name, both small and great -- Rev 21
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and the time for the dead to be judged -- Rev 20
 

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This passage is IN ANTICIPATION of what is to come, even though it appears as though it is happening right then. There are many events between Revelation 11 and Revelation 19 -21.

So to put it in chronological order, this is how is happens:
1. The nations raged, but thy wrath came - Rev 14 & 19
2. destroying the destroyers of the earth -- Rev 19
3. thou hast taken thy great power and begun to reign -- Rev 20
4. rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints -- Rev 20
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and those who fear thy name, both small and great -- Rev 21
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and the time for the dead to be judged -- Rev 20
what you' re saying is it is worthless to make sense of the scriptures in the order they are written