Daniel's 70 weeks correctly interpreted (in my opinion)

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Noose

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70AD man are you? I totally disagree since in non eschatologyical scripture Jesus is portraied portraied as coming with angels gathering the living and dead in Christ while God rains down his wrath on earth stopping only when there is still 1/3 of living things left

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I'm not a 70AD man and i'm also not holding to dispensation theory, that's why i said non is right. It is complicated but the 70 week prophesy is calculable to the very end of age.
Jesus coming is nothing close to what anyone can see with their eye as we see here:

Matt 26:63 But Jesus remained silent. Then the high priest said to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God.” 64“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.

Was Jesus lying when He said they will all see from that moment on the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven? did they all see Him come with the clouds?

I have told you, these things are embedded in the spiritual and never on the physical. If you are waiting to see Jesus coming with horses, you will wait all your life- it's not going to happen.
Judgement for the living is on going even now.
 

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Dispensationalists only say what God has already revealed. Everlasting righteousness applies to the earth and means exactly what it says -- universal, total, and eternal righteousness on earth.

It doesn't say "everlasting righteousness on earth" in Dan 9: 24. You read the "on earth" part into it.

It will be fully realized in the new heavens and earth but it was already fulfilled on the cross, during the 70th week, just like Gabriel said it would be. Not 69 weeks plus 2,000 years and counting, plus another week. I find that dispensationalists are very bad at math. :p
 

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When God gave Israel 70 weeks there was only one physical group that this could apply to. Jesus would bring down the wall of separation and unite the gentiles and Jews as one.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Through Christ we can all be one. Before Christ circumcision was important.
Just before Jesus left, He said, Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

After the 70 years were finished God greatly reached out to the Gentiles.
 

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I'm not a 70AD man and i'm also not holding to dispensation theory, that's why i said non is right. It is complicated but the 70 week prophesy is calculable to the very end of age.
Jesus coming is nothing close to what anyone can see with their eye as we see here:

Matt 26:63 But Jesus remained silent. Then the high priest said to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God.” 64“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.

Was Jesus lying when He said they will all see from that moment on the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven? did they all see Him come with the clouds?

I have told you, these things are embedded in the spiritual and never on the physical. If you are waiting to see Jesus coming with horses, you will wait all your life- it's not going to happen.
Judgement for the living is on going even now.
At 74 I have seen several attempt to provide a statement about this prophecy. They used the numbers to calculate the time of occurrence which they said was in their immediate future. Never happened!! Therefore every time someone comes up with dates I reject it. Also claiming it only exists in the spiritual world is a copout.

Here is the AMPC version of that

Matthew 26:63 and 64
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, I call upon you to swear by the living God, and tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.
64 Jesus said to him, You have stated [the fact]. More than that, I tell you: You will in the future see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Almighty and coming on the clouds of the sky.

Oops it has in the future. Something your translation left out!!

I use biblegateway.com for my Bible. I look up book and chapter and easily go between translations. That way I glean better information since some translations do a poor job of translating particular verses.[/QUOTE]
 

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The 490 years were appointed to the Jewish nation for these six reasons found in Daniel 9:24:
1. to finish the transgression
2. to make an end of sins
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. to seal up vision and prophecy
6. to anoint the most Holy
These six issues could only be fulfilled in and through the Messiah. Who else could make reconciliation for iniquity or bring in everlasting righteousness?
The angel gives a breakdown of the 70 weeks as follows:
7 weeks of years for rebuilding of Jerusalem (verse 25)
62 weeks of years to the Messiah (verses 25-26)
1 week of years to the close of the period (verse 27)
and the last week ...
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease (Daniel 9:27).
Type meet Antitype at the cross, this was 3 1/2 years after Christ was Baptised. The middle of the week.
John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, and Isaac Newton all connect the 70th week with the Messiah. When Christ cried “It is finished,” the priests were officiating in the temple. It was the hour of the evening sacrifice, and as the Passover lamb representing Christ was about to be slain, “the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake and the rocks rent” (Matthew 27:51). Sacrifices no longer had a place.
After Christ died, rose again, and ascended to heaven, there were still 3 ½ day-years remaining in the prophecy. These ended in 34 AD with the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7:59-8:4). At that time the Gospel was given to the Gentiles by individual ambassadors from every nation. Paul, the very one who consented to the stoning of Stephen, became the apostle to the Gentile world. Israel ceased to be the recipient and channel of God’s truth.
 

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The 490 years were appointed to the Jewish nation for these six reasons found in Daniel 9:24:
1. to finish the transgression
2. to make an end of sins
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. to seal up vision and prophecy
6. to anoint the most Holy
These six issues could only be fulfilled in and through the Messiah. Who else could make reconciliation for iniquity or bring in everlasting righteousness?
The angel gives a breakdown of the 70 weeks as follows:
7 weeks of years for rebuilding of Jerusalem (verse 25)
62 weeks of years to the Messiah (verses 25-26)
1 week of years to the close of the period (verse 27)
and the last week ...
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease (Daniel 9:27).
Type meet Antitype at the cross, this was 3 1/2 years after Christ was Baptised. The middle of the week.
John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, and Isaac Newton all connect the 70th week with the Messiah. When Christ cried “It is finished,” the priests were officiating in the temple. It was the hour of the evening sacrifice, and as the Passover lamb representing Christ was about to be slain, “the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake and the rocks rent” (Matthew 27:51). Sacrifices no longer had a place.
After Christ died, rose again, and ascended to heaven, there were still 3 ½ day-years remaining in the prophecy. These ended in 34 AD with the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7:59-8:4). At that time the Gospel was given to the Gentiles by individual ambassadors from every nation. Paul, the very one who consented to the stoning of Stephen, became the apostle to the Gentile world. Israel ceased to be the recipient and channel of God’s truth.
Here it is again. Why do people ignore these verses?

Daniel 12 NIV - Sealed book until end times
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.
 

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Here it is again. Why do people ignore these verses?

Daniel 12 NIV - Sealed book until end times
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.
True the prophesies of Daniel didn't get understood until the end days but that doesn't mean the prophesies are all about the time of the end.

When they were understood it opened up the book of Revelation. But this does not mean we can put all prophesies in the future.
 

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Lol. Except for the things denoted that are unsealed by virtue of the fact of their being revealed by Gabriel.
And who does Gabriel reveal them to? Careful now since only cults say that.
 

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True the prophesies of Daniel didn't get understood until the end days but that doesn't mean the prophesies are all about the time of the end.
True the prophesies of Daniel didn't get understood until the end days but that doesn't mean the prophesies are all about the time of the end.

When they were understood it opened up the book of Revelation. But this does not mean we can put all prophesies in the future.
When they were understood it opened up the book of Revelation. But this does not mean we can put all prophesies in the future.
Other than the statue what prophecies have come to pass? The method of hiding the prophecies is the symbolism being used in both Daniel and Revelation. Sorry Charlie (Sunkist add), but both of these are very murky in understanding what is meant.
 

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If satan deceives the nations and he’s loosed for a season after the millennium then how do we know that he wasn’t bound at the time of Christ and after those 1000 years he’s deceived the nations into believing the millennium is a future event?
Here you go. Have fun delving into the 4 different views of eschatology.

Here are 4 different links to 4 theological Biblical views of eschatology.

This is because Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language. Daniel plainly states it is closed until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed.

https://www.exploregod.com/biblical-prophecy-four-views-of-the-end-times

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm

http://www.christianciv.com/eschatology_bs_Sect1.htm

http://executableoutlines.com/end/end_01.htm
 

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Daniel 11 is about Antiochus Epiphanes, the heathen ruler that descrecated the temple (set up a statue of Jupiter in the temple) and created the Maccebean revolt (167-160 BC). The last end of the indignation is judgment against His people (Jews) would come to an end (Antiochus wouldn't last). Do y'all have the Bible Hub app on your phone? It's free and gives you instant access to the writings of past scholors.
ROTFL
I just love all of the different ideas I have seen over 50 years of seeing people try to decipher a closed book. Another 1 to add to the list!!
 

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The Reformation preachers unanimously identified the papal system as the Antichrist, and the Roman Church as Babylon—causing a mass exodus of believers out of the Catholic institution.
Because Rome realized that the Reformation could jeopardize her position as a religio-political power, she employed five strategies in what became known as the Counter Reformation. One of those strategies was the creation of futurism and preterism, two different interpretations of the prophecies in Daniel and Revelation. These interpretations contradicted the reformers' stance of historicism.

In 1585 Jesuit scholar Francisco Ribera (1537 - 1591) appears. He started the futurist interpretation by publishing a 500-page commentary on the book of Revelation. Ribera took the last “week” (seven day-years) of the 70-week prophecy of Daniel 9:25, divided it into two 3 ½ year periods, and applied it to a future Antichrist, while avoiding any application to the papal system.
Ribera’s views would have fallen away quickly if not for Robert Bellarmine (1542 - 1621), a cardinal who promoted Ribera’s ideas. His lectures were published as Polemic Lectures Concerning the Disputed Points of the Christian Belief Against Heretics of This Time. Froom describes these lectures as “the most detailed apology of the Catholic faith ever produced.” Froom also says they “became the arsenal for all future defenders and expositors.”
Here the true danger is exposed. if Protestantism ceases to protest against the falsehoods of Rome, then there is no opposition to the Roman plans, and no check against the corruption of Biblical Christianity found in the Roman Catholic system. The Dark Ages can come again with a vengeance.

In order to remove the Catholic Church from consideration as the antichrist power, Ribera proposed that the first few chapters of the Apocalypse applied to ancient pagan Rome, and the rest he limited to a yet future period of 3 1/2 literal years, immediately prior to the second coming. During that time, the Roman Catholic Church would have fallen away from the pope into apostasy. Then, he proposed, the antichrist, a single individual, would:
  • Persecute and blaspheme the saints of God.
  • Rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
  • Abolish the Christian religion.
  • Deny Jesus Christ.
  • Be received by the Jews.
  • Pretend to be God.
  • Kill the two witnesses of God.
  • Conquer the world.
So, according to Ribera, the 1260 days and 42 months and 3 1/2 times of prophecy were not 1260 years, but a literal 3 1/2 years, and therefore none of the book of Revelation had any application to the middle ages or the papacy, but to the future, to a period immediately prior to the second coming, hence the name Futurism.

Are you following the fairy-tail of Ribera.?
 

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Here you go. Have fun delving into the 4 different views of eschatology.

Here are 4 different links to 4 theological Biblical views of eschatology.

This is because Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language. Daniel plainly states it is closed until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed.

https://www.exploregod.com/biblical-prophecy-four-views-of-the-end-times

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm

http://www.christianciv.com/eschatology_bs_Sect1.htm

http://executableoutlines.com/end/end_01.htm
Do a study of history and tell us when these books started to be revealed. It is there.. Because the People that opened these Books were historists not futuristic or preteristic.
 

Noose

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At 74 I have seen several attempt to provide a statement about this prophecy. They used the numbers to calculate the time of occurrence which they said was in their immediate future. Never happened!! Therefore every time someone comes up with dates I reject it. Also claiming it only exists in the spiritual world is a copout.

Here is the AMPC version of that

Matthew 26:63 and 64
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, I call upon you to swear by the living God, and tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.
64 Jesus said to him, You have stated [the fact]. More than that, I tell you: You will in the future see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Almighty and coming on the clouds of the sky.

Oops it has in the future. Something your translation left out!!

I use biblegateway.com for my Bible. I look up book and chapter and easily go between translations. That way I glean better information since some translations do a poor job of translating particular verses.
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Looks like a version that was purposefully translated to give the verse a meaning that was not intended. It doesn't help you and can not help anybody.
There are more than 10 verses by Jesus and also the apostles that AMPC version can not give any meaning or rather lies for people to lean on. Example:

Matt 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Heb 10:36 You need to persevere, so that after you have done God’s will, you will receive what He has promised. 37 For, “In just a little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay.

If what Jesus said in Matthew 10 and what Paul said in Hebrews 10 are true, then it must have happened.
 

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Here you go. Have fun delving into the 4 different views of eschatology.

Here are 4 different links to 4 theological Biblical views of eschatology.

This is because Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language. Daniel plainly states it is closed until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed.

https://www.exploregod.com/biblical-prophecy-four-views-of-the-end-times

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm

http://www.christianciv.com/eschatology_bs_Sect1.htm

http://executableoutlines.com/end/end_01.htm
Why do you insist that Revelation is a closed book?

Rev 22: 10 Then he told me, Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near.

Daniel was a sealed book, yes but now that Revelation is an open book, we are able to know what Daniel prophesied.
 

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Looks like a version that was purposefully translated to give the verse a meaning that was not intended. It doesn't help you and can not help anybody.
There are more than 10 verses by Jesus and also the apostles that AMPC version can not give any meaning or rather lies for people to lean on. Example:

Matt 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Heb 10:36 You need to persevere, so that after you have done God’s will, you will receive what He has promised. 37 For, “In just a little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay.

If what Jesus said in Matthew 10 and what Paul said in Hebrews 10 are true, then it must have happened.[/QUOTE]
ROTFL
It is obvious to the casual observer that you want to ignore how the AMPC works. It translates words with multiple meanings and puts the other ones in parentheses. Here is John 3:16 AMPC

John 3 AMPC Amplified Classic
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
 

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5 minute rule again

Also I don't use a Bible but use a web browser pointed at biblegateway.com then pick book and chapter. I then can easily select a translation. Thus going from one translation to another easily. Your ignorant assertion flies in the face of my experience doing this. Why do you make such a hate filled accusation about a very good translation. I have found it very accurate when compared to the other translations and the use of parentheses is extremely helpful. Shame on you. Think before you spout hate filled ignorance!!!
 

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Other than the statue what prophecies have come to pass? The method of hiding the prophecies is the symbolism being used in both Daniel and Revelation. Sorry Charlie (Sunkist add), but both of these are very murky in understanding what is meant.
Dan 2 was about the kingdoms (empires), Dan 7 gives more details to these and Dan 8 even more details. Lining them up makes it clearer and seeing if it fits with History makes it come to life. You don't twist history or twist the prophesy to fit, It'll come together like a puzzle if the application is right. When did the time of the end begin? when did the book of Daniel start to be understood? If you think future, well, Satan wants you to miss the boat and this would be a good plan to achieve this.
 

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Why do you insist that Revelation is a closed book?

Rev 22: 10 Then he told me, Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near.

Daniel was a sealed book, yes but now that Revelation is an open book, we are able to know what Daniel prophesied.
If it is an open book then how come so much of it is not understood? The symbolism closes it!! It is written in the same way as Daniel. Symbolic language throughout it. That symbolic language is what closes it. If it is so clear and transparent why are there 4 seperate views of eschatology coming from it?
 

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Looks like a version that was purposefully translated to give the verse a meaning that was not intended. It doesn't help you and can not help anybody.
There are more than 10 verses by Jesus and also the apostles that AMPC version can not give any meaning or rather lies for people to lean on. Example:

Matt 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Heb 10:36 You need to persevere, so that after you have done God’s will, you will receive what He has promised. 37 For, “In just a little while, He who is coming will come and will not delay.

If what Jesus said in Matthew 10 and what Paul said in Hebrews 10 are true, then it must have happened.
ROTFL
It is obvious to the casual observer that you want to ignore how the AMPC works. It translates words with multiple meanings and puts the other ones in parentheses. Here is John 3:16 AMPC

John 3 AMPC Amplified Classic
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.[/QUOTE]

Ok, let's look at what AMPC says:

Matt 10:23 When they persecute you in one town [that is, pursue you in a manner that would injure you and cause you to suffer because of your belief], flee to another town; for truly I tell you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before [a] the Son of Man comes.

Heb 10 AMPC Amplified Classic
36 For you have need of steadfast patience and endurance, so that you may perform and fully accomplish the will of God, and thus receive and[e]carry away [and enjoy to the full] what is promised.

37 For still a little while (a very little while), and the Coming One will come and He will not delay.

There's simply nothing that a translation can do, the fact remains, "in a little while, Jesus comes..". These words were spoken in the 1st century and if they were true, He came and is coming and will continue to come.