Daniel's 70 weeks correctly interpreted (in my opinion)

[tanakh]

If you are wrong and the 3rd temple has nothing to do with the second coming you may miss the real signs. Many people are looking to literal Israel when we should be focusing on Spiritual Israel.

Most of the people who are looking at earthly Israel are also expecting a pre Tribulation Rapture.
Its been said that the creation of Israel in 1948 or recently the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 is the last sign to take place before the rapture happens.

If one of those events is the last sign and every believer is going to be raptured without warning it makes me wonder why the same people are so obsesses with Israel, temple building and the Antichrist when they don't expect to be here to see any of it.

 

[cv5]

Who are in Jerusalem today are comprised of mostly atheists who do not believe in loving their neighbor.
They covet their neighbors land as described in Micah 2:1-2, the reward for which will be Micah 2:3.

Micah 2:1 Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.
2 And they covet fields, and take them by violence; and houses, and take them away: so they oppress a man and his house, even a man and his heritage.

3 Therefore thus saith the Lord; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil, from which ye shall not remove your necks; neither shall ye go haughtily: for this time is evil.

So what in the world does that have to do with fulfilled prophecy?
Sound anti-Semitic to me BTW. Unsaved Gentiles are no better and no worse.

 

[cv5]

Most of the people who are looking at earthly Israel are also expecting a pre Tribulation Rapture.
Its been said that the creation of Israel in 1948 or recently the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 is the last sign to take place before the rapture happens.

If one of those events is the last sign and every believer is going to be raptured without warning it makes me wonder why the same people are so obsesses with Israel, temple building and the Antichrist when they don't expect to be here to see any of it.

Well Sir....what you fail to comprehend, is that according to the preterists, the Rapture had to have already occurred.....which it has not. So either Paul is wrong, or the preterists are wrong. Take your choice.

 

[cv5]

Yes, prophesy shall be fulfilled, but it will be a spiritual prophesy of the Lords temple among His faithful, and not a carnal prophesy about a stone building amongst unbelievers.

Who and when are the people in Isaiah 65:1-2 to whom the Lord spreads out His hands all day long to behold Him, but who deny Him, and thus the Lord then ends up killing them, and replacing them with another group in Isaiah 65:11-15?

Isaiah 65:1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;



Isaiah 65:11 But ye are they that forsake the Lord, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

None of those scriptures relate in any way to the topic at hand.
More Jew bashing which quite franky I abhor.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Most of the people who are looking at earthly Israel are also expecting a pre Tribulation Rapture.
Its been said that the creation of Israel in 1948 or recently the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 is the last sign to take place before the rapture happens.

If one of those events is the last sign and every believer is going to be raptured without warning it makes me wonder why the same people are so obsesses with Israel, temple building and the Antichrist when they don't expect to be here to see any of it.

Because we are responsible for more than just ourselves (and self-interest).

Because we are to be concerned for others and their grasp of scriptural truths.

Because...

well, let me just post what I posted yesterday on a different thread:

[quoting my post, with some editing]

In Scripture, where the phrase "the Day of the Lord" is used in the same context with the phrase "IN THAT DAY," it is referring to the SAME TIME PERIOD.

Such is the case in 2 Thessalonians, chpts 1 and 2 (2Th1:10b and 2Th2:2-3).

In that YET FUTURE "time period" ("the Day of the Lord"/"IN THAT DAY") people will either come to believe what is TRUE (2Th1:10b ['the testimony of us to you' (see also 2Th2:15[13-15] VERSUS 2:2)]) OR they will believe and embrace the "pseudei / the false" (2Th2:10-12). These will be the two choices.

There will still be religious people (those who "come in His name," but who do not possess HIS LIFE [thus were not raptured]) existing on the earth AFTER our Rapture... and these will "put-Scripture-together" but in such a way [being not "understood"] as Satan uses/will use it TO DECEIVE...

[end of that post]

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The rapture of "the Church which is His body" will be the primary instigating event that helps turn Israel toward the Truth (Christ as their Messiah), and so some will come to faith WITHIN the trib (that is, AFTER our Rapture).

I could say more... but will have to await another time (I have some work to tend to, at present)

 

[louis]

So what in the world does that have to do with fulfilled prophecy?

Not fulfilled yet. When the Lord subjects the necks of the faithless in Jerusalem for all their coveting of their neighbors properties, is when all the worlds nations are going to gather against Jerusalem, and leave not one stone on top of another.

Sound anti-Semitic to me BTW. Unsaved Gentiles are no better and no worse.

The Word in Micah 2 clearly shows the bias on the part of the power in charge.

Micah 2:1 Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practise it, because it is in the power of their hand.

 

[cv5]

Most of the people who are looking at earthly Israel are also expecting a pre Tribulation Rapture.
Its been said that the creation of Israel in 1948 or recently the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 is the last sign to take place before the rapture happens.

If one of those events is the last sign and every believer is going to be raptured without warning it makes me wonder why the same people are so obsesses with Israel, temple building and the Antichrist when they don't expect to be here to see any of it.

Lol. There is an earthy Israel. It is beyond dispute. And.....they have a purpose count on it. Fulfilling prophecy for starters.

 

[Hevosmies]

Most of the people who are looking at earthly Israel are also expecting a pre Tribulation Rapture.
Its been said that the creation of Israel in 1948 or recently the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 is the last sign to take place before the rapture happens.

If one of those events is the last sign and every believer is going to be raptured without warning it makes me wonder why the same people are so obsesses with Israel, temple building and the Antichrist when they don't expect to be here to see any of it.

Rapture is a signless event. But all you ever see on youtube is "rapture sign!!! sign of rapture coming soon!!"

I really think Christians should stop embarrassing themselves by making those corny youtube videos with FAKE signs and FAKE news and FAKE date-setting.

 

[louis]

None of those scriptures relate in any way to the topic at hand.
More Jew bashing which quite franky I abhor.

I made no claim as to who or when the scriptures in Isaiah related to, I merely asked you to whom and when it related.
You seem to have taken offense at the Lords Word in Isaiah.
I have several in-laws and a couple of friends who are Jewish.
I am not Jew bashing, but you are most certainly making false accusations.
It appears you are making this accusation, just so you can avoid answering the questions.
Let me answer it: It is obvious to whom the group in reference are being the Jews to whom the Lord is spreading out his hands all day long, but to only be denied.
The second part to the question is the when.
Since the Jews in Isaiah 65:11-15 have yet to be killed, and leaving their heritage to others; the when is then future.

cv5, If every time someone brings up a scripture that conflicts with their dogma, they then raise false accusations while not answering the post, what does this say about that individual?

 

[louis]

Rapture is a signless event. But all you ever see on youtube is "rapture sign!!! sign of rapture coming soon!!"

I really think Christians should stop embarrassing themselves by making those corny youtube videos with FAKE signs and FAKE news and FAKE date-setting.

Unfortunately, the kindergarten superficial interpretation of the rapture where all Christians are whisked away up into the clouds is what most Christians are acquainted with.

 

[cv5]

I made no claim as to who or when the scriptures in Isaiah related to, I merely asked you to whom and when it related.
You seem to have taken offense at the Lords Word in Isaiah.
I have several in-laws and a couple of friends who are Jewish.
I am not Jew bashing, but you are most certainly making false accusations.
It appears you are making this accusation, just so you can avoid answering the questions.
Let me answer it: It is obvious to whom the group in reference are being the Jews to whom the Lord is spreading out his hands all day long, but to only be denied.
The second part to the question is the when.
Since the Jews in Isaiah 65:11-15 have yet to be killed, and leaving their heritage to others; the when is then future.

cv5, If every time someone brings up a scripture that conflicts with their dogma, they then raise false accusations while not answering the post, what does this say about that individual?

There is no "answer" to those scriptures. On the other hand the scriptures I posted demand an answer. So tell me....has the Rapture happened already? Has Christ come where every eye will see Him and now sitting on His Glorious throne, judging the nations? Has all of he Book of Revelation been fulfilled?

 

[cv5]

Unfortunately, the kindergarten superficial interpretation of the rapture where all Christians are whisked away up into the clouds is what most Christians are acquainted with.

Just post your opinion on whether or not Christ has come in His Glory such that every eye will see Him and all tribes will mourn.

 

[cv5]

I made no claim as to who or when the scriptures in Isaiah related to, I merely asked you to whom and when it related.
You seem to have taken offense at the Lords Word in Isaiah.
I have several in-laws and a couple of friends who are Jewish.
I am not Jew bashing, but you are most certainly making false accusations.
It appears you are making this accusation, just so you can avoid answering the questions.
Let me answer it: It is obvious to whom the group in reference are being the Jews to whom the Lord is spreading out his hands all day long, but to only be denied.
The second part to the question is the when.
Since the Jews in Isaiah 65:11-15 have yet to be killed, and leaving their heritage to others; the when is then future.

cv5, If every time someone brings up a scripture that conflicts with their dogma, they then raise false accusations while not answering the post, what does this say about that individual?

"leaving their heritage to others"
Classic replacement theology heresy.

 

[louis]

There is no "answer" to those scriptures. On the other hand the scriptures I posted demand an answer.

Yes, there is an answer to all scriptures, including those in Isaiah 65.
Isaiah 65:1-2 where the Lord is holding out His hands all day long to a disobedient and gainsaying people also appears in Romans 10:20-21. You can then get more details and information on Isaiah 65 from Romans 10, and visa versa.

So tell me....has the Rapture happened already?

No, the rapture has not already occurred, and when it does happen it will be a spiritual rapture and not a carnal whisking away of people.

Has Christ come where every eye will see Him and now sitting on His Glorious throne, judging the nations?

No, Chirst has not come where every eye will see Him; and when the people see Him, it will be through the faithful who will have been caught up spiritually to God while they and their bodies/temples are here on earth.

Has all of he Book of Revelation been fulfilled?

From my above statements, most of the book of Revelation has yet to be fulfilled.

 

[louis]

"leaving their heritage to others"
Classic replacement theology heresy.

Your perspective contradicts the Word in Isaiah 65:15.

Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

 

[cv5]

Your perspective contradicts the Word in Isaiah 65:15.

Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world,b when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. "

Try and spiritualise that into oblivion.

 

[louis]

Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world,b when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. "

Try and spiritualise that into oblivion.

Upon reading Romans 9:6-8, who do the twelve tribes consist of, the spiritual or the carnal?
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[cv5]

Jude:
"It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds"

The Lord coming to where we are (from Heaven to Earth).....not us going there in some way or fashion. And there has been no event anything like this "coming" in recorded history thus far.

So we can confidently assert that the preterist view is erroneous.

 

[louis]

Jude:
"It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds"

The Lord coming to where we are (from Heaven to Earth).....not us going there in some way or fashion. And there has been no event anything like this "coming" in recorded history thus far.

So we can confidently assert that the preterist view is erroneous.

I agree. This and many other events in the bible have yet to occur.