Daniels 70 weeks

[miknik5]

I think I see where the problem is now. When Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, the beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire. The rest of the people that will have been gathered there at Armageddon will be killed by that double-edged sword that proceeds out the mouth of the Lord, which is figurative representing the word of God. When Christ speaks all of those gathered will fall dead. The birds will eat their flesh and the soul/spirits will go into Hades, the same place where the rich man went, where they will remain until the great white throne judgment, which takes place after the thousand years have completed. Once they are judged, then they will thrown into the lake of fire. Rev.20:11-15 has the unrighteous dead being released from Hades.

To recap, those people who are gathered at Armageddon will be killed by the Lord and their spirits/souls will go down into Hades and will remain there until after the thousand years where at which time they will be resurrected out of Hades and will be judged at the great white throne judgment. All of the unrighteous dead from the beginning of history will be judged at this judgment.

Please read revelation 19 and 20 together

No...only those who had no part in the first resurrection will be raised after the 1000 years and will be judged according to their works...

And not all will be declared 'unrighteous"...some will be found to have their names written in the book of life and won't suffer the second death...

as to those from the beginning of history?
Nope.
those who were held captive in captivity were set free when HE descended to preach.
No one remained...they all believed and were led captive in His Train...
Afterwards..those who have died outside of faith in JESUS CHRIST have no part in the first resurrection (they have not heard the VOICE of the SON of GOD while they were alive and so did not believe in the TRUTH), but will rise and be judged according to their works...(this is also spoken of in John 5 when CHRIST said
erily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are two resurrections.
Those who have a part in the first resurrection will not suffer the second death.
Those who will be raised at the end who will be judged according to their works, those who have done evil will be cast into the lake of fire will suffer the second death, but those whose names are written in the book of Life, will not.

 

[Bookends]

Looking for others input on Daniels prophecy shown below


Seventy Weeks of Prophecy (Daniel 9:20-27)


Chapter 9 verse 25 tells us that the event that will trigger the 490 years is a decree (see Neh 2:5) permitting the Jews to go back to Jerusalem and rebuild the city. (It is interesting that the event that will trigger the last seven years of this period will be the covenant of the Antichrist to protect the Jews. We find a decree at the beginning and at the end of the 490 years.) History tells us there were four different decrees relating to Jerusalem: Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes all made decrees concerning the rebuilding of the temple (Ezra 1; 6, and 7); and Artaxerxes decreed that Nehemiah could return to rebuild the walls (Neh 2). This was in 445 B.C., and it is the decree Dan 9:25 is talking about; it took place nearly 100 years after Daniel received the message from God. Gabriel said that there would be a total of sixty-nine weeks, seven and sixty-two, between the giving of the decree and the arrival of Messiah, the Prince, in Jerusalem (69 x 7 = 483 years). Keep in mind that "prophetic years" in the Bible are not 365 days, but 360 days long. It has been calculated by scholars that there were 483 prophetic years between the decree in 445 B.C. and the day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday (cf. The Coming Prince by Sir Robert Anderson, Kregel, 1967).


But Gabriel divided these 483 years into two parts-seven weeks (7 x 7 = 49 years), and sixty-two weeks (62 x 7 = 434 years). Why? Well, it took forty-nine years to rebuild Jerusalem, and this was done (as Gabriel said) "in troublesome times." Read Nehemiah and see how difficult a task it was to restore the city. Then, 434 years later we come to Messiah, the Prince, who is "cut off' (His death on the cross) for the sins of the world. It was His death on the cross that accomplished the purposes given in v. 24. What followed His death? Did Israel accept Him and His message? No. They lied about Him, persecuted His messengers, stoned Stephen, and refused to acknowledge His kingship. What happened? Rome came and destroyed the city and wrecked the temple. The nation "cut off" Jesus Christ, so He cut them off from being a nation. Until May 14, 1948, Israel was not a free nation.


Rome is called "the people of the prince that shall come." Who is this prince? Not "Messiah the Prince," because that refers to Christ. "The prince that shall come" is Antichrist. He will be the leader of the restored Roman Empire. So, the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 was but an illustration of a future invasion and destruction to be led by Antichrist. This prince will make an agreement with the Jews to protect them from the other nations, and this agreement will be set for seven years. This final seven years is the completion of Daniel's 490-year period. Between the death of Christ and the signing of this covenant you have the entire Age of the Church, a "great parenthesis" in God's program. The 490 years are in operation only when Israel is in God's will as God's people. When Israel crucified Christ, she was set aside and the "prophetic clock" stopped ticking. But when the Antichrist signs his pact with Israel, then the last seven years of Daniel's "seventy weeks" will start being fulfilled. This seven-year period is known as the Tribulation, or the time of Jacob's trouble. It is described in Rev 6-19.


After three and a half years, Gog and her allies will invade Palestine (see Ezek 38-39), and God will judge them. Antichrist will invade the land, break his covenant, and set himself up as world dictator. He will stop all worship at the Jewish temple (see 2 Thess 2) and force the world to worship him and his image. This is the abomination of desolation (see Matt 24:15; John 5:43; Rev 13:1). How will this period end? Jesus Christ will return to earth, meet the rebel armies at Armageddon, and defeat them (Rev 19:11-21).

Did Israel accept Him and His message? No. They lied about Him, persecuted His messengers, stoned Stephen, and refused to acknowledge His kingship. What happened?

Not all of Israel accepted, but some did! Christ restored His Kingdom. God's people were always the ones who sought after Him. Read the prophecy again, 70 weeks are determined for....After the prophetic 70 weeks all the things Daniel mentioned where completed and done.

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“Seventy weeks[a] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of[b] sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]25 “Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street[c] shall be built again, and the wall,[d]
Even in troublesome times.[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;[/FONT]
[/FONT]
What Daniel mentions about the city being cut off is an after (indirect) event, not to be included in the 70 weeks. The prophecy is finished and complete, this GAP theory (2000+ year Christian Church) is unbiblical and found NO WHERE in the bible.

Look at what happens when Christ comes back the second time, It's NOT TO RULE!!!

[h=1]1 Corinthians 15New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality[/h][FONT=&quot]15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.[/FONT]
[h=3]The Risen Christ, Our Hope[/h][FONT=&quot]12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.[/FONT]
[h=3]The Last Enemy Destroyed[/h][FONT=&quot]20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.”[a]But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.[/FONT]

 

[ZEEK]

Israel accepted Jesus with great alacrity. It was only Judah who rejected him.

Acts 26
[FONT=&quot]6 And now I stand here on trial on account of my hope in the promise made by God to our ancestors, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]7 a promise that our twelve tribes hope to attain, as they earnestly worship day and night.[/FONT]

 

[Bookends]

Israel accepted Jesus with great alacrity. It was only Judah who rejected him.

No, after God restored Israel after the 70 year Babylonian "mostly Judea" captivity, Judea was restored as Israel, they weren't two separate nations after that. Israel was conquered and disperse all over the land by the Assyrians prior to the Babylonian captivity.

 

[ZEEK]

No, after God restored Israel after the 70 year Babylonian "mostly Judea" captivity, Judea was restored as Israel, they weren't two separate nations after that. Israel was conquered and disperse all over the land by the Assyrians prior to the Babylonian captivity.

No,

[FONT=&quot]Matthew 10:6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.[/FONT]

 

[miknik5]

Israel and ISRAEL are different one is fleshly the other isn'tt. There's only ONE SHEPHERD over ONE FLOCK for GOD

 

[miknik5]

And the SON is as a SON over HIS FATHERS HOUSE (FLOCK) and faithful over all HIS FATHERS Possessions

 

[Bookends]

No,

Matthew 10:6
but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

True, Judea was called Israel after the Babylonian captivity.

Who went into Babylonian captivity?

After the Babylonian Captivity, what did the Jews call themselves?

You are not arguing with me bro.

Ezra 1:3
3 Who is among you of all His people? May his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem which is in Judah, and build the house of the Lord God of Israel (He is God), which is in Jerusalem.Ezra 2
2 Those who came with Zerubbabel were Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar,[b] Bigvai, Rehum,[c] and Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel:

Ezra 3:1
And when the seventh month had come, and the children of Israelwere in the cities, the people gathered together as one man to Jerusalem.

Ezra 6:16
16 Then the children of Israel, the priests and the Levites and the rest of the descendants of the captivity, celebrated the dedication of this house of God with joy.

Ezra 6:21
21 Then the children of Israel who had returned from the captivity ate together with all who had separated themselves from the filth of the nations of the land in order to seek the Lord God of Israel.

I could go on...Lets look at Nehemiah

Nehemiah 1:6
6 please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You. Both my father’s house and I have sinned.

Last but not limited to:
Nehemiah 12:47
47 In the days of Zerubbabel and in the days of Nehemiah all Israel gave the portions for the singers and the gatekeepers, a portion for each day. They also consecrated holy thingsfor the Levites, and the Levites consecrated them for the children of Aaron.

 

[ZEEK]

The House of Israel and The Nation Of Israel are 2 different things.

Jesus did not come to the nation of Israel, he came to his covenanted people, the whole House of Israel.

That is all of the 13 tribes of Israel, 10 of which were scattered globally.

 

[miknik5]

The House of Israel and The Nation Of Israel are 2 different things.

Jesus did not come to the nation of Israel, he came to his covenanted people, the whole House of Israel.

That is all of the 13 tribes of Israel, 10 of which were scattered globally.

what do you say to the "violent men of the covenant" who claim to know GOD but by their works will make manifest that they didn't.
They are the men of the covenant, aren't they?
Yet they do not understand as they should understand...

In order for one to be covenanted to GOD, he had to be "circumcised".
And there is also a difference between outward fleshly circumcision and inward fleshly, upon the fleshly tablets of the heart, the TRUE CIRCUMCISION which comes by THAT NEW COVENANT...

There is only ONE PEOPLE and all are wearing the same garment.
In fact, please review the 144,000...they indeed have the NAME of HIS FATHERwritten on their foreheads.
So, they were given the revelation of JESUS before they began to prophecy and witness and testify of HIM...for they follow THE LAMB wherever HE goes...they are the redeemed first fruits to GOD and THE LAMB.

 

[miknik5]

The House of Israel and The Nation Of Israel are 2 different things.

Jesus did not come to the nation of Israel, he came to his covenanted people, the whole House of Israel.

That is all of the 13 tribes of Israel, 10 of which were scattered globally.

Remember the lasting ordinance of the first passover...with regards to circumcision which was an outward mark signifying a covenant relationship with GOD.
The command was also that any "alien/foreigner" amongst you who also wished to celebrate THE PASSOVER needed to be CIRCUMCISED.


GOD was talking about THAT PASSOVER and that CUT TO THE HEART CIRCUMCISION at the REVELATION of the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL of THE ONE AND ONLY PASSOVER LAMB...

If one's "house" is marked, he has passed over and through the LORD'S REST and WORK...and is marked as belonging to GOD in HIS SON.

Another "passover" is coming, and those whose "houses" are not marked, won't be passed over...

 

[ZEEK]

Jesus came to the House of Israel.

He did so because that was his covenant, (agreement).

".....A prophet like unto me...."

This was the agreement God made with Israel, as spoken thru Moses.

Jesus duly fulfilled the promise, when he came to Israel.

24 [FONT=&quot]He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”[/FONT]

 

[miknik5]

This is WHY the GOSPEL is preached NOW...
And there is only ONE GOSPEL, and ONE BODY..

GOD is building HIS HOUSE through THE BODY of HIS SON.
THIS is THE SON who would build THE HOUSE for THE FATHER.

Either in or out.
And that is why THE GOSPEL of THE KINGDOM in, by and through THE SON is being preached now.

I am sorry, sir...for my passion...

 

[miknik5]

Jesus came to the House of Israel.

He did so because that was his covenant, (agreement).

".....A prophet like unto me...."

This was the agreement God made with Israel, as spoken thru Moses.

Jesus duly fulfilled the promise, when he came to Israel.

and what was the requirements in Deuteronomy 18 of this "particular prophet"?

 

[ZEEK]

Passion is good

 

[miknik5]

You know that the SON is given more honor than THE HOUSE...correct?
Moses was "as god" to Pharoah and Aaron was "his mouthpiece".

Today, GOD speaks to us by HIS SON...and has required that all should listen to THIS ONE...and if any man does not listen to HIM, GOD HIMSELF will require it of HIM.

The reason the PROPHET was raised up was because the people were afraid to hear THE VOICE of GOD and told moses, you tell us everything and we will listen to you, but do not let us hear THE VOICE of GOD, lest we perish

And GOD said, they have said well...

Now continue in Deuteronomy 18 after that statement

 

[miknik5]

Passion is good

Not really...
Only when those notice it and imply that it isn't.

 

[ZEEK]

Good question

18 I will raise up for them a prophet[f] like you from among their own people; I will put my words in the mouth of the prophet,[g] who shall speak to them everything that I command. 19 Anyone who does not heed the words that the prophet[h] shall speak in my name, I myself will hold accountable. 20 But any prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, or who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded the prophet to speak—that prophet shall die.”21 You may say to yourself, “How can we recognize a word that the Lord has not spoken?” 22 If a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not be frightened by it.

Jesus promised to resurrect himself

 

[miknik5]

Good question



Jesus promised to resurrect himself

PLEASE INCLUDE ALL OF WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED ESPECIALLY SINCE THE REASON WAS THAT THE PEOPLE DID NOT WANT TO HEAR THE VOICE OF GOD, LEST THEY DIE:

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.



JESUS' PROMISE TO RISE AND ASCEND BACK TO THE FATHER WAS FOR OUR BENEFIT AND SALVATION...NOT HIS OWN.
HE WAS SIMPLY RETURNING TO THE ONE WHOM HAD SENT HIM...FOR IN TRUTH...THE GLORY HE HAD WITH THE FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD EVER WAS.

HE CAME FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE AND SAID SO...WHICH IS WHY HE WOULD DRINK THE CUP...(John 12)

 

[ZEEK]

The Law was added because of sin. It was never the relationship God wanted with his Church