Dear 'BibleGuy' . . .

[popeye]

Deliberate working on the sabbath. Doing your own pleasure on the sabbath (What you want to do), instead of resting. Any obligations should not apply to you on the sabbath and you should not do your own.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I guess heb 3&4 are empty words to you.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

hi there.

i just wanted to let you know, out of kindness, you're wasting your time with me.

i've been around this particular mulberry bush more than a few times with folks who think as you do, and i'm "all done", as my grandson would say.

if you're looking to bait someone, or make someone feel 'less than' you'll have to look somewhere else.

i won't be back.

edited to say-- good luck keeping the whole Law perfectly.
suggest you repent and believe the Gospel.

Bye bye! These words (Matt 5:17-20) will judge you on the day of judgment.

 

[FlSnookman7]

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[TD]1Co 8:8
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[TD]But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.
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1Co 8:9
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[TD]But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak.
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1Co 8:10
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[TD]For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols?
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1Co 8:11
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[TD]And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
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1Co 8:12
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[TD]But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
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1Co 8:13
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[TD]Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.
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[simplifiedtruth]

What about for those who aren't under the Torah?

That is those persons personal choice. The Torah will judge every man on the day of judgment.

 

[popeye]

Pride keeps you from accepting Matthew 5:17-20 and 1 John 3:4.

And yet the verses/concepts Jesus brought anew into the bible,you not only fail to address,you are somehow forbidden to look at.

No way you guys are biblical with your concept of editing anything challenging the doctrine you preach in error.

Blatant error

 

[FlSnookman7]

That is those persons personal choice. The Torah will judge every man on the day of judgment.

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[TD]Rom 8:1
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[TD]There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus
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[simplifiedtruth]

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[TD]Gen 9:3[/TD]
[TD]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.[/TD]
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Yes every moving living thing shall be meat for you, as God has given us in Leviticus 11 for eternal instructions.

Even Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals:

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

 

[popeye]

OT= RAW FOLLOWING THE LAW

NT=RESURRECTED POWER LIVING IN THE BELIEVER TO WALK IN RIGHTEOUSNESS.(righteousness being a benefit of a King taking over)

TORAH GUYS= SAME COVENANT WITH A MESSAGE OF ADDED DOGMA.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

He didnt say he came that THEY COULD BE FULFILLED,but rather that HE IS the fulfillment.

You transpose a concept onto a person.

Jesus is the concept,not a catalyst TO A CONCEPT.

You are in error friend.

Wrong. Dont you read the following verse ?

v19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[popeye]

The crossroads;

My righteousness
Or
The righteousness of another reaching down and pulling me to the father.


If you deny this,you deny the savior

 

[simplifiedtruth]

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[TD]Tit 1:14[/TD]
[TD]Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.[/TD]
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Tit 1:15[/TD]
[TD]Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.[/TD]
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Yes like commandments and teachings of men that turn from the Truth into Sin.

Psalm 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

 

[popeye]

Wrong. Dont you read the following verse ?

v19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Dude,you strain at a gnat,and swallow a camel.

I already threw that ball to you.

The concept is not "how well you obey" for salvation.

The bible is SHOWING YOU that in fact you can not obey.

Go back and read it again.

You can not transpose that mess HONESTLY onto that verse.

You are way,way off

 

[FreeNChrist]

That is those persons personal choice. The Torah will judge every man on the day of judgment.

I think you have that backwards. It is those who are under the Law who will be judged by it, not those who are not under it.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

Show me.

Show me where Jesus was wrong when he ADDED the sins of OMISSION and those of THE THOUGHTS.

Jesus did not omit the Torah. In fact the Torah covers the thoughts and the heart.

Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

 

[popeye]

The neck of false doctrine has been pinned down.

Sins of omission

Sins of the thoughts


They can not answer this.

Can we all say......B. U. S. T. E. D. ????

 

[simplifiedtruth]

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[TD]Rom 8:1[/TD]
[TD]There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus[/TD]
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Nice try!

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[popeye]

Jesus did not omit the Torah. In fact the Torah covers the thoughts and the heart.

Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

See how you deflect.

Answer my verses.

Answer what Jesus added.

Don't squirm

Don't deflect

Answer. Answer Jesus' words

 

[simplifiedtruth]

I think you have that backwards. It is those who are under the Law who will be judged by it, not those who are not under it.

Every man will be judged according to their own works of what God has permitted and what He has not permitted. Accept Matthew 5:17-20.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The room has been infiltrated by people who think they can be good enough to earn salvation.. Sad When are people goin gto give it all to Christ, and enter Christ's rest? the rest he promised to give to all who come to him in humility

 

[simplifiedtruth]

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[TD]1Co 8:8[/TD]
[TD]But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD]

1Co 8:9[/TD]
[TD]But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD]

1Co 8:10[/TD]
[TD]For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols?[/TD]
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[TD]

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1Co 8:11[/TD]
[TD]And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD]

1Co 8:12[/TD]
[TD]But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.[/TD]
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[TD]

[/TD]
[TD]

1Co 8:13[/TD]
[TD]Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.[/TD]
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This is talking about bringing up to peoples attention who are weak in the faith that they are eating meat which may be sacrificed to idols, and not about unclean meats.