Demon possession in the old testament?

[SpeakTruth101]

what is funny, they shout Heresy when their Version of the Story is literally 3 languages translated after another.

and when I offer the Hebrew, it is directly Hebrew to English, no Greek or Latin Vulgate involved.

Hebrew to English is the purest translation with exception to Hebrew to Hebrew.

And they want to scream Heresy at us!

We got the Truth and we're the Heretics hahahahahahahahaha

when someone sets out with the intention to discredit they are not going to hear anything, some people here will actually have a 2 way discussion and even if there is no agreement in the end it is still both sides offering their views and weighing the other persons views, those are usually fruitfull in learning little details here and there.

Others do not have a real discussion and only try to find fault so they can "shame" the other person, nothing is learned except that it is no real discussion.

To edify, learn, share etc. one can not set out to shame and discredit others, even if their view is different.

 

[Magenta]

but, i do know what the Ancient Hebrews were taught to believe what Angels can do.

No doubt there is a very wide range of opinions on the matter and you choose to believe
what suits you, just as you showed earlier today in this thread, refusing to accept the
verifiable historical record that Enoch was never included in the Hebrew Scriptures.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Am truly sorry you feel that way. I asked for your understanding in your own words. I can read the Bible myself. I was interested in your reasoning through the scriptures. And I have no agenda. I've never called anyone a name or call anything a heresy. Others here may have responded disrespectfully, but I haven't.
Grace and peace.

Like I said when we talked before you didnt answer my question, while I at least gave effort to answer yours.

Thing is my explanation is stil posted, so nothing is stopping you from responding to it, telling me your views and then having an actual discussion.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No doubt there is a very wide range of opinions on the matter and you choose to believe
what suits you, just as you showed earlier today in this thread, refusing to accept the
verifiable historical record that Enoch was never included in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Your records are from white researchers. the Jews, are where I found Enoch is quoted over 200 times in the Tanakh [Hebrew Old Testament]

Clearly, the Jews, would be more knowledgeable than modern day Christians who see the Jew as whatever rather than to research their history in all of their Ancient Documents.

 

[Magenta]

Your records are from white researchers. the Jews, are where I found Enoch is quoted over 300 times.

Clearly, the Jews, would be more knowledgeable than modern day Christians who see the
Jew as whatever rather than to research their history in all of their Ancient Documents.

Your last sentence is laughable since it was the Jews who originally excluded the book of Enoch from their inspired writings.

You think you know better than them = laughable also.

 

[Cameron143]

Like I said when we talked before you didnt answer my question, while I at least gave effort to answer yours.

Thing is my explanation is stil posted, so nothing is stopping you from responding to it, telling me your views and then having an actual discussion.

Your answer wasn't as I asked. It was even all in English. So rather than make your meaning plain, you complicated it further. At any rate, I just won't respond in the future. Be blessed.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Your answer wasn't as I asked. It was even all in English. So rather than make your meaning plain, you complicated it further. At any rate, I just won't respond in the future. Be blessed.

You know you arent going to get a change to accuse me so your running. You never had any intention to have an honest conversation.

Proverbs 27:5-6, 5 Open reproof is better than hidden love. 6 The wounds of a loved one are true, But the kisses of an enemy are profuse.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Your last sentence is laughable since it was the Jews who originally excluded the book of Enoch from their inspired writings.

You think you know better than them = laughable also.

for some reason, I am saying the Jews acknowledge that Verses in the Hebrew Old Testament are quotes that can also be found from Enoch's Oral Preaching that was passed down Generation to Generation.

And you keep saying not the Book of Enoch.

I am not saying it is the Book, but just Verses were quoted of his Preaching.

 

[Cameron143]

You know you arent going to get a change to accuse me so your running. You never had any intention to have an honest conversation.

Proverbs 27:5-6, 5 Open reproof is better than hidden love. 6 The wounds of a loved one are true, But the kisses of an enemy are profuse.

Do you often feel that people misrepresent you or your intentions?

Galatians 6:7...Be not deceived; God is not mocked: whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

 

[Magenta]

for some reason, I am saying the Jews acknowledge that Verses in the Hebrew Old Testament are quotes that can also be found from Enoch's Oral Preaching that was passed down Generation to Generation.

And you keep saying not the Book of Enoch.

I am not saying it is the Book, but just Verses were quoted of his Preaching.

Yeah, you basically claimed not to have mentioned the book of Enoch after mentioning it at least three times.

I acknowledge that Enoch can be quoted without it being from a book.

A book that was never included in the Hebrew Scriptures despite all your protests about how many times Enoch was quoted.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Do you often feel that people misrepresent you or your intentions?

Galatians 6:7...Be not deceived; God is not mocked: whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Who is mocking God? I said you had no intention of having a real conversation, (or even debate) for if you did you would have opened a discussion on the answer I spent time tying out at your request. and just because you may not agree does not mean I didnt answer., I gave time and thought in that reply.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Do you often feel that people misrepresent you or your intentions?

Galatians 6:7...Be not deceived; God is not mocked: whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Why dont we quit bickering and discuss the reply?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yeah, you basically claimed not to have mentioned the book of Enoch after mentioning it at least three times.

I acknowledge that Enoch can be quoted without it being from a book.

A book that was never included in the Hebrew Scriptures despite all your protests about how many times Enoch was quoted.

I provided a definition that called it a Book. You know this because I copied/pasted it for you.

But each time i said Verse, that is far from meaning Book. It just meant a Verse is quoted. How that was understood as Book is not for me to understand obviously.

 

[Cameron143]

Who is mocking God? I said you had no intention of having a real conversation, (or even debate) for if you did you would have opened a discussion on the answer I spent time tying out at your request. and just because you may not agree does not mean I didnt answer., I gave time and thought in that reply.

You are just reaping what you have sown. You make poor judgments about people and can't figure out why you are misunderstood.
You responded to my post. You addressed me. I asked for a plain explanation and you gave even a more convoluted answer all the while demeaning me and my intentions. Perhaps, just perhaps, I'm not the problem.

 

[Cameron143]

Why dont we quit bickering and discuss the reply?

I'm not bickering. And I'm not interested. Like I said, I should have refrained from responding. Have a great night.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

You are just reaping what you have sown. You make poor judgments about people and can't figure out why you are misunderstood.
You responded to my post. You addressed me. I asked for a plain explanation and you gave even a more convoluted answer all the while demeaning me and my intentions. Perhaps, just perhaps, I'm not the problem.

no I said that because I knew what you were doing, you did it last time we talked you refused to answer my question, I asked you like 4 or 5 times and then you used my asking as excuse to depart.

Dont worry im not hurt by it I expect it from many people, thing is in real life no one acts like that, there is always a back and forth discussion even if there is disagreement.

 

[Magenta]

So, you cannot REFUTE the 300 VERSES God used of Enoch so lets argue over me typing Book
of Enoch over in same Post that the definition of Enoch is listed as Book of Enoch...yep, I get it!

No, I don't think you do. But I get that you feel superior considering how much ancient literature you claim to have read, as if all those rabbis are worth knowing what all their opinions are, and anyone who has not read them all like you has knows nothing worth knowing. I also looked up some of what are called quotes from Enoch that are, shall we say, supposedly echoed in Scripture, of which you have claimed there are 300 (without providing any proof that I saw), and many of them are not quotes at all. Just saying something along similar lines, at times, certainly not quotes, and sometimes, not even close. More like grasping at straws... or swallowing a camel to strain out a gnat.

 

[SilverFox7]

No, I don't think you do. But I get that you feel superior considering how much ancient literature you claim to have read, as if all those rabbis are worth knowing what all their opinions are, and anyone who has not read them all like you has knows nothing worth knowing. I also looked up some of what are called quotes from Enoch that are, shall we say, supposedly echoed in Scripture, of which you have claimed there are 300 (without providing any proof that I saw), and many of them are not quotes at all. Just saying something along similar lines, at times, certainly not quotes, and sometimes, not even close. More like grasping at straws... or swallowing a camel to strain out a gnat.

Satan and his demons were as active in OT times as they are in NT times.

That "serpent of old" has been around from the beginning in Eden.

Our Lord Jesus Christ took care of that problem.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No, I don't think you do. But I get that you feel superior considering how much ancient literature you claim to have read, as if all those rabbis are worth knowing what all their opinions are, and anyone who has not read them all like you has knows nothing worth knowing. I also looked up some of what are called quotes from Enoch that are, shall we say, supposedly echoed in Scripture, of which you have claimed there are 300 (without providing any proof that I saw), and many of them are not quotes at all. Just saying something along similar lines, at times, certainly not quotes, and sometimes, not even close. More like grasping at straws... or swallowing a camel to strain out a gnat.

considering your Version of the Old Testament literally [Does Not] match what God said in Hebrew, because yours is a combo of Hellenized Greek with myth words like unicorn, and then into English...who are you to know what you are reading?

Only ONE Version of the OLD TESTAMENT, is correct, between ours. and the Hebrew to English is the more true and authentic Version.

So, How is it by you using the INCORRECT Version, think you have a precise understanding on any matter of the Old Testament, let alone, if Verses were Added from Enoch or not? Your Version is missing so much you don't know what is or not added to it.

The Jews, ALWAYS had the Torah/Tanakh in every Synagogue and the Temple itself.
They kept meticulous record keeping of the Holy Word of God.
Actual Torah's, in existence in Israel at the time of Jesus, still exists today.
A Scribe or Sofar, not only knows the Tanakh word for word, they give God honor for allowing them to keep this Knowledge and be able to write it down for others to read.

The Hebrew says ANGELS and human women bore Nephillim.

Your Bible is so out of whack, others, had to falsely create bloodlines of Saved and not Saved inter-breeding. There goes that good ole Reformed teaching of God predestine some people for this and some for that. And all along, it is Your Bible Version Translation that is skewed.

When you add the Correct Bible Version, this False Doctrine about mixing saved/unsaved human Bloodline DISAPPEARS!

The TRUTH comes out!

ANGELS, not Bloodline mixing.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I grew up on my Dake's KJV Bible and I still love it to this day.

But the things I thought I knew and then compared my Old Testament to the Hebrew to English Torah/Tanakh [not the masoretic], my eyes not only opened, but it was real easy to put things into a much truer and clearer perspective.

But it most definitely shows how far off in Translation the Greek to Latin Vulgate to eventual Textus Recptus to the KJV Old Testament really is.