Demonic Deliverance

[Dragoon9]

Hello MaggieMye,

Ephesians 6:11
"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." The "wiles" of the enemy are the TACTICS and STRATEGGIES of the enemy. You cannot stand against something you do not know or recognize.
Maggie

Maggie, we can do everything through him who gives us strength.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. (Ephesians 6:10-13)

Be very careful in looking at what is done in the high places, its a very fine line you walk. Everything we need to know about the enemy, God has provided in his word. He has not left us defenceless, but has given us both armour and a sword against the enemy. What people who have had demonic experiences can do is to provide corroberation, but we need to be very careful in accepting evidence of evil from or through the very powers of evil... because lies are Satan's native language.

Please note that the passage you're quoting begins with an injunction to rest in the Lord and his power. We are told to stand against the enemy's wiles... not to study and draw closer to them. I posted several scriptures earlier in discussion of that, please look them over and tell me if you think they do not apply.

God teaches us what is of Him. If we know him, we know what is also not of him. Seek his kingdom and His righteousness, and be very careful about the alure of what is dark.

 

[MaggieMye]

Dragoon9: Only if a person is called to the ministry of deliverance or spiritual warfare would they need to 'study' the tactics of the enemy. I'm not saying to study them just for the 'fun' of it, not ever. Doing that could be quite dangerous.
On a simple level, however and example woould be this: Understanding that the devil would work through a person against another person....how he instigates arguements and causes one person to say something to another that cuts deeply. If we understand to 'consider the source' we can look beyound the person and see that they are, without their knowledge, being used by satan to tear down a believer and render them ineffective.
It's those type of tactics that I'm referring to. It is really as simples realizing that when others do not speak in love or kindness, satan is working through that person.
Maggie

 

[Dragoon9]

Hi Maggie,

Sweet. Please excuse me if my last message was a bit short, as I was typing on the run. Please also remember that your posts here are not to a sub-set of Christians though, but to all maturity levels.

I'd also like to question your opening premise. It raised some questions for me, and I'd like to talk them through with you.

Only if a person is called to the ministry of deliverance or spiritual warfare would they need to 'study' the tactics of the enemy.

Is there any Christian that is not called to spiritual warfare?

Paul reminds us that
You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings--what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted... (2Ti 3:10-12)

When we endure discipline and hardships, this is God treating us like his children, because what child is not disciplined by his father? (He 12:-7)

Whenever we seek to do God's will, we will be tested by Satan, and this is spiritual warfare.

I think it's wonderful that you feel your calling to minister to those who are spiritually oppressed, but is spiritual warfare an adjunct to Christian life, or is it a key thing for every mature believer in Christ?

 

[mariwasa]

ephesians 6:10 be strong in the Lord's mighty power. 11 put on the whole armour so you will be able to stand firm against all strategies and tricks of the devil. ( note: against ALL)
ephesians 6:16 above all taking the shiled of faith with with you will be able to quench ALL the fiery darts of the enemy

 

[Baruch]

Matthew 7: 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

I do not know how some administer in the deliverance ministry, but being able to cast out devils is not always a sure sign that one is serving the Lord. Reading in regards to this warning by Christ is about heeding His words and doing them.

Then it goes back to false prophets broadeining the way by even calling on the Holy Spirit to come for these healing events to occur. There was a prophet whom had passed away that had this "angel" come to perform these healings and mircales and still has a following. I forgot the name but the point was who they had called on for these healing or deliverance events to occur.

John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. .... 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Matthew 7: 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Those that are in the deliverance ministry that does not call on Jesus for deliverance to occur may disregard the saying and the words from the Lord because of the success or the appearance of it as popularity is being gained to be a movement or a crusade. They may ignore that all are coming to the event, believers from every denomenations as well as different walks of life as they "receive" deliverance or healing. One could argue against the ecumenical aspect of the ministry as God shining on the evil and the good yet still ignoring the preaching of the Gospel. But then again, some may preach the Gospel and then turn around by broadening the way given by offering an invitation to seek after the Holy Spirit for deliverance or healing. Jesus did warn of those serving Him in His name but yet they did so by climbing up another way.

How does one avoid serving not the Lord Jesus Christ so that we may be found abiding in Him when He appears?

Luke 13: 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

So Luke 13:24 and Luke 13 27 both confirm how one serves the Lord is the central key of this warning in how one is to be found ready at His appearing.

Make no mistake. The name of the Holy Spirit or any other name is not the name to call upon for deliverance or healing.

1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Acts 4:12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Just pointing out one of the wiles of the devil for our shield of faith In Jesus to be applied towards. May the Lord equip the right faith for the ministry.

 

[MaggieMye]

Is there any Christian that is not called to spiritual warfare? To a degree, yes. Most should understand how to war for themselves and their families. But there is a larger arena, territories of land, that one should never attempt to war against the principalities and powers that ensue ALONE and without unction from Holy Spirit. That would be like going into war naked…without armor, ill-equipped. No leader in any army sends his soldiers into battle without proper armor and knowing the tactics of their enemies.

When we endure discipline and hardships, this is God treating us like his children,No, that is evidence of open doors in our spiritual lives through which satan can enter and cause calamity. GOD does not bring these things about because we know from scripture that His thoughts towards are good. because what child is not disciplined by his father? (He 12:-7) Discipline and punishment are two different things. While the former brings revelation, understanding and correction in ones walk, the other only harms and opens the door to the soul for fear, rejection and anger. The former is from Holy Spirit and is gentle; the latter is harsh and from satan

Whenever we seek to do God's will, we will be tested by Satan, and this is spiritual warfare. That is unless you've proven yourself to be a threat to the kingdom of darkness and the minor demons FEAR YOU!!...which is as it should be!...WE being the embodiment of Christ!! Being tested is not the same thing as doing spiritual warfare. God will allow an encounter from the dark side SO THAT WE GROW in our spiritual strength, having exercised our giftings. Heb 12:11, 5:14, 1 Tim 4:8 and Acts 24:16. Spiritual warfare is what you do when satan is already in control of some aspect of your life, the life of a family member or friend, or in control over land. [In every country, markers can be found upon the land that declare dedication to demonic gods/idols. It is how the kingdom of darkness steals from man the land he has been given. The markings are ancient dating back centuries and were done by pagan worshipers of idols and witches. When we discern that a certain place is control by demonic spirits, we are to pray. Only when God organizes a trained army will He send men and women to that territory to 'take back the land'. Attempting to come against a principality or power on your own could result in death. There is protocol to warfare.

I think it's wonderful that you feel your calling to minister to those who are spiritually oppressed, but is spiritual warfare an adjunct to Christian life, or is it a key thing for every mature believer in Christ? Understanding the basics is key for mature believers. But not all mature believers will be called to the ministry of spiritual warfare.
Baruch wrote " I do not know how some administer in the deliverance ministry, but being able to cast out devils is not always a sure sign that one is serving the Lord. If a person casting out demons is not a Christian, then it would be the kingdom of darkness casting out one of their own, and we know that that does not work. Reading in regards to this warning by Christ is about heeding His words and doing them.

Then it goes back to false prophets broadening the way by even calling on the Holy Spirit to come for these healing events to occur. There was a prophet whom had passed away that had this "angel" come to perform these healings and miracles and still has a following. I forgot the name but the point was who they had called on for these healing or deliverance events to occur. I agree. If any name other than the name of Jesus is called upon, we open the door to demonic infiltration. Studies have shown that those in the occult and new age arenas do their 'healing' and then 6 months to a year later the person is sick with the same thing or sick with something else. Deliverance ministers now know that when it was demonic, the spirits simply move out of the area of the body being treated into a different area and the person is still oppressed.

… Make no mistake. The name of the Holy Spirit or any other name is not the name to call upon for deliverance or healing. And because there are many 'Jesus', especially in Spanish speaking cultures, it is wise to be specific (per Doris Wagner of Wagner Leadership Institute and Global Harvest Ministries) and say "In the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth!).
Maggie

 

[Dragoon9]

Hi again Maggie.

May I ask why you're posting this thread?

 

[Chocolate]

Anyone have any experience in this?
Maggie

Here:
Title: "Deliverance: the Children's Bread A deliverance handbook" By Robert Ellender

Title "Pigs in the Parlor A practical Guide to Deliverance" By Frank and Ida Mae Hammond

You can take yourself through deliverance. You can buy pigs in the parlor yourself.

http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/5134209/used/Pigs in the Parlor

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Ida Mae Hammond&page=1

http://www.worldcat.org/isbn/0892280271

Win Worley and his Host of Hell series can also help and I believe he has written a series of books.

The internet is full of information regarding this subject but you have to be careful. Start out with Frank and ida mae hammond's book and you will do fine.

 

[awings7]

Could you be more specific? Such as, do you need prayer in this situation?

This is an area that needs to be approched with alot of prayer.
Before gettinginto that area, not all problems are demonic , they could actuall have a phyical cause.
That is why a phyical check up 1st is a good thing to do as pr in Christ has authorityhyical problems can be mistaken as demonic.
People who are called into this area are going to spend time with the background of the person asking for this ministry.
If you are interested in this ministry ask someone who is experienced inthis area to work with you.

This is not an area to play with if you dont follow the rules of following the Holy Spirit you and someone
can get hurt.

Every Believer has the authority to cast out demons only if theyare waliking according to the Spirit of God and are keeping their life clean. Demons know a phoney when they see one, remember what happened to the 7 sons of seviah in acts.

 

[MaggieMye]

Dragoon: posting because I want to help others; posting because I'm curious about their experiences; posting because its' what this site is for!!
Maggie

 

[Dragoon9]

Maggie,

I think it's wonderful you want to help, but please be aware that you are newly trained in this area. You're speaking with a very high degree of certainty, quoting your teachers often... but your experience in this area is limited.

I'm not saying this to stop you. I'm saying this because you are entering into a much needed field, but please equip yourself fully. Equipping also means listening and testing what you have been taught against scripture.

Deliverance ministry can be a double-edged sword. Poorly or newly trained deliverance ministers have come and done a lot of harm. Using simplistic or not scipturally tested views, speaking with absolute certainty on things they do not have experience of, they have taken believers away from sound teachings.

Please test what you have heard against scripture thoroughly. Please talk to people in the 'field' who have years of experience and listen to what they have to say (though test it also). Please listen to views that differ from what your teachers at Wagner have taught you, and compare them vs automatically condemning them.

Some of the things you wrote to Baruch and I are not scripturally (and by this I also mean 'really') correc. If you'd like to discuss these things, I'd be happy to, but I'm not interested in a debate. I'm more interested in discussing the truth of scripture.... and of course I may be mistaken in my views as well. May scripture speak, and may man listen

 

[MaggieMye]

I think it's wonderful you want to help, but please be aware that you are newly trained in this area. How is it that you presume to know this? I am not 'newly trained'. I've been doing deliverance for several years. You're speaking with a very high degree of certainty, quoting your teachers often... but your experience in this area is limited. Again, you know this how?

I'm not saying this to stop you. I'm saying this because you are entering into a much needed field, but please equip yourself fully. Equipping also means listening and testing what you have been taught against scripture. I already know this. Don't, for a minute, think that I've ignorant bought everything I've heard. I test the spirits and check scripture.

Deliverance ministry can be a double-edged sword. Poorly or newly trained deliverance ministers have come and done a lot of harm. Yes, I know this. One that comes to mind is Bob Larson who used to do 'deliverance' on late night TV. It was appauling. He woud humiliate people in front the audience and on national TV. It made me very angry that he was not held accountable and corrected. Using simplistic or not scipturally tested views, speaking with absolute certainty on things they do not have experience of, they have taken believers away from sound teachings.

Please test what you have heard against scripture thoroughly. Please talk to people in the 'field' who have years of experience and listen to what they have to say (though test it also). Please listen to views that differ from what your teachers at Wagner have taught you, and compare them vs automatically condemning them. Wow! I totally get the impression that you think I am just a immature believer that has just had Deliverance 101 and is quite overzealous! Here is the course I'm currently taking, master level. Whjat do you know about Satanic Ritual Abuse, Soul Fragmentation ...how it occurs, how to bring healing to a person through ministring Christ? Most of the people that suffer from such things are declared Mentally Ill !! This type of ministry goes far beyond getting a spirit of self-pity or simple rejection or anger out of ones life.

Some of the things you wrote to Baruch and I are not scripturally (and by this I also mean 'really') correc. Be specific and tell me what I've said that you don't think lines up with God's word. Don't ballpark it. If you'd like to discuss these things, I'd be happy to, but I'm not interested in a debate. I'm more interested in discussing the truth of scripture..Can that really be done without debate? I don't think so. Because then all it is is either you agreeing with me or me with you and the conversation becomes quite short.. and of course I may be mistaken in my views as well. May scripture speak, and may man listen What would be the point? You already sit in judgment of me. The bottom line is that most Christians do not understand how to look at scripture from a spiritual point of view, seeing that all that happend in history also happend in the spiritual realm and so when fresh and new understanding (note, I did not say new scritpure) is revealed by God to mature and seasoned ministers, they cannot comprehend it and run, crying "New Age! Occult!"...which is, of course, exactly what satan wants them to do.Because then they do not step into the authority that they have with Christ within them, nor do they step into the destiny plan that God really desires for them.

Please test everything I write against the word of Scripture. If anything is in disagreement with Scripture, than it is my thoughts and ideas which are in error. I've given scriture...about the portals, the doors, the openings...even, if you look closely, about the 2nd heaven.( That is for another thread.)
THere is scripture for the principalities and powers.
.
Peace and Grace be with you all.​

 

[MaggieMye]

http://www.wagnerleadership.org/live/course_desc_template_live_de901.htm

 

[Dragoon9]

Hi Maggie.

I think it's wonderful you want to help, but please be aware that you are newly trained in this area.

How is it that you presume to know this? I am not 'newly trained'.

I was actually going by what you posted, and your responses to people. Looking over your earlier responses, I can see now that you did not say you were ‘newly’ graduated from Wagner. My apologies if I’ve misconstrued your earlier statements.

If I've questioned some of what you've posted, then this is as it should be. We are to hold each other to account, correcting and rebuking, acting out our roles within the body so that we all might attain the full measure of fullness of Christ. I would hope that I've done so also with gentleness, humility and love.

Deliverance ministry can be a double-edged sword. Poorly or newly trained deliverance ministers have come and done a lot of harm. Yes, I know this. One that comes to mind is Bob Larson who used to do 'deliverance' on late night TV. It was appauling. He woud humiliate people in front the audience and on national TV. It made me very angry that he was not held accountable and corrected.

I’m afraid I’m not familiar with Bob Larson, but I’m not only talking about ‘how’ deliverance is conducted, but sometimes with the very teaching and theory behind it. You mention;

Wow! I totally get the impression that you think I am just a immature believer that has just had Deliverance 101 and is quite overzealous! Here is the course I'm currently taking, master level. Whjat do you know about Satanic Ritual Abuse, Soul Fragmentation ...how it occurs, how to bring healing to a person through ministring Christ? Most of the people that suffer from such things are declared Mentally Ill !! This type of ministry goes far beyond getting a spirit of self-pity or simple rejection or anger out of ones life.

Do I think you’re immature? Certainly not, and I’m sorry if I gave that impression. But we are all seeking to attain more fullness in our maturity. I’ve heard very ‘mature’ Christians say, as I do as well, that the closer they draw to Christ, the more they are aware of both their own sinfulness and their own imperfection. When the prophet Isaiah was brought before the Lord, did he not cry out that he was ruined, because he was a man of unclean lips (Is 6:5)? I am far less righteous that Isaiah, and each of us falls short of the glory of God.

As to being zealous, I would hope that every one is zealous when walking in the Lord.

Satanic Ritual Abuse, Soul Fragmentation... might I ask where these are discussed in the Bible? There is a danger in broad strokes applied to the things of Satan. There is also danger when our sources are those who are/were under demonic control. There is also danger in thinking that Satanism is uniform and under some sort of rules structure. I REALLY do not want to discuss anything regarding rituals and abuses by the enemy though, and scripture warns us to be innocent of such things (Ro 16:19-20a).

I’ve gotta run, so as you’ve asked for discussion on the earlier comments, I’ll take that on later.

Don’t just hear the ‘bad’ though, please also hear the encouragement. What you are undertaking is an important ministry. It requires much and continual prayer support and gifts of discernment.

 

[MaggieMye]

If I've questioned some of what you've posted, then this is as it should be. We are to hold each other to account, correcting and rebuking, acting out our roles within the body so that we all might attain the full measure of fullness of Christ. I would hope that I've done so also with gentleness, humility and love. Yes you have
" that the closer they draw to Christ, the more they are aware of both their own sinfulness and their own imperfection." So True!!

Satanic Ritual Abuse, Soul Fragmentation... might I ask where these are discussed in the Bible? Ps 86:13 and Ps 107:26

There is a danger in broad strokes applied to the things of Satan. There is also danger when our sources are those who are/were under demonic control. Of course. There is also danger in thinking that Satanism is uniform and under some sort of rules structure. Satan has the kingdom of darkness. There is heiarchy and order, just as in any effective kingdom. It is not godly order, but an imitation of Gods, but there are levels of authority. Powers and principalities have dominion over the area in which the demons work.
I do test everything against His word!
Maggie

 

[jordanriver]

MaggieMye,

I can answer any questions that you have about deliverance, from anything. I am a minister of the Gospel, and I know who I am in Christ Jesus, and you can too. Im nothing special, and Im not your answer, but I do no that you can be free from any devil, no matter how it is buffeting you. The devil does not have any right at all to you, he is a powerless, illegal trespasser, and YOU can make him leave you alone, on purpose, just because you want to. want to know more, just "holler".

 

[jordanriver]

And by the way MaggieMye,
Im not interested in debates or vain arguments that people want to get involved with because of their own unbelief or powerless denominational traditional teachings. Satan, demons, and demonic activity were taught on, as well as deliverance, in literally almost every new testament book of the Bible. Fact of the matter is, Satan is alive, but the King of Kings is too. Need some help, you know what to do. You don't have to be afraid of "getting involved with that devil stuff", b/c he has already got involved in your life apparently, so the only thing left to do is to make the rat leave.

 

[Dragoon9]

Hi Maggie,

I’d like to look at some of your posts and discuss them in light of scripture. I don’t use the word ‘debate’, because debate (to me) is largely a process of scoring points, but not actually listening or allowing the other person to change you. I’m interested in the truth of the Lord’s word, and as Paul says in Romans, “that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith” (Ro 1:12).

And because there are many 'Jesus', especially in Spanish speaking cultures, it is wise to be specific (per Doris Wagner of Wagner Leadership Institute and Global Harvest Ministries) and say "In the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth!).

I think Acts 19 has much to say on this topic. The Seven sons of Sceva tried to use the name of Jesus to cast out demons. They were specific about ‘which’ Jesus they meant (saying “Jesus, whom Paul preaches” or the “Lord Jesus” Acts 19:13), yet the demons not only refused them, but ‘overpowered’ them. The spirits at this time said, “Jesus I know and I know about Paul, but who are you?” (Acts 19:15)

It’s not merely the name or the ‘formula’ that contains power. This thinking has more in common with occult teachings on names and sympathetic magic. It is the use of the name by someone who is known by Christ. As Mark 16:17 notes, “In my name they will drive out demons”, and Luke 10:19 makes more explicit, “I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy.”

It is not our power, or a talisman, phrase or ritual which gives us power over demons. It is Christ working through those who belong to him through faith which does so. I know you are probably very aware of this, but there are some among our readers who may not be. The line between God’s teachings and the subtle twists of Satan are very delicate.

For this reason, I do not disagree that it may be wise to be specific, but that it is more essential that we know who we serve clearly. Some who are unable to stand against Satan are not limited by using the wrong name, but by the fact that they use a name whom they are not connected to in faith.... Christ does not know them. I do not believe that a believer walking in close fellowship with God is limited in using Jesus’ name.

Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her. (Acts 16:16)

There are those who take this teaching on names to extremes, and who chastise and create fear with brethren for any use of any name other than a full name of ‘Jesus Christ of Nazareth’ or saying “the Lord Jesus”, yet this does not bear with scripture. Great care must be taken to turn neither to the left or the right, but to stay within what God has freely given us in his word. Any biblical teaching can and will be twisted by Satan whenever we allow him to.

 

[MahogonySnail]

re: Names... I agree with what Maggie said, it is wise to be specific. But not to be chastise others or create fear as you said. I've read reliable deliverance books where demons have pretended to be Jesus, and saying "in the name of Jesus" does not work, because the person under the influence of the demon thinks they already know this Jesus. Jesus is just a name. In old english his name was Healand or something like that. In middle english it was Iesus or something like that, before the letter J in english was invented.

 

[Dragoon9]

Gotta run.

Might be a couple days before I'm on again. IRL demands some extra time

I also would ask that any readers of this post read E P H 6:19-20 and lift up all those who are in that position today. Please do not ask me for details..