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reminded me the day I quit drinking. I heard why from God personally, why I was an alcoholic then, age 27 then. I stood up and announced I am done, while in a party. Out loud I said it, knew it,been dry ever since< i am 68 now. Oh and not proud over quitting
God simply revealed to me why I was an alcoholic. I agreed and saw it, I left it behind me. I see, there is always a reason behind any compulsive obsessive behavior.
‘mine was< my youngest sister died at 18 on an overdose. I was 14 and took on drinking to accept it. Not seeing I was not accepting it, only covering it up
thanks for this reminder to me, now seeing all not well for my soul behaviors have a terrible problem that brought it on.
‘problems, past or presen, even future maybes do not need to control us, anyone, yet do. Again this is very b helpful to me thanks for the spark
reminded me the day I quit drinking. I heard why from God personally, why I was an alcoholic then, age 27 then. I stood up and announced I am done, while in a party. Out loud I said it, knew it,been dry ever since< i am 68 now. Oh and not proud over quitting
God simply revealed to me why I was an alcoholic. I agreed and saw it, I left it behind me. I see, there is always a reason behind any compulsive obsessive behavior.
‘mine was< my youngest sister died at 18 on an overdose. I was 14 and took on drinking to accept it. Not seeing I was not accepting it, only covering it up
thanks for this reminder to me, now seeing all not well for my soul behaviors have a terrible problem that brought it on.
‘problems, past or presen, even future maybes do not need to control us, anyone, yet do. Again this is very b helpful to me thanks for the spark
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Ezekiel 18. God tells people, it is not God it is them, us to be accountable,thank you for this reminder, I am accountable, yes it was me that responded incorrectl to what I saw going on. As well as yes I did it,I chose wrong, thank you Father for forgiving me in Son where you took away law to have to do it to get saved by you< through Son
‘now Father, I need to be taught how to respond in lhe same love and mercy you gave to us through Son's done work for us all.
i know not how, I do know you will, thank you
‘now Father, I need to be taught how to respond in lhe same love and mercy you gave to us through Son's done work for us all.
i know not how, I do know you will, thank you
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Not everything can be directly supported scripturally. God gave us the gifts of the Spirit and a walk with Him for a reason, and from these I teach what He has taught me. Likewise, others can take anything directly to God for scrutiny.
However, yes dark spirits and Holy Spirit can dwell in the same vessel - receiving Holy Spirit doesn't mean a person is instantly perfected, after all, and what they offer the person is like a drug.
Much more common than possession, though is oppression, and that is universal. Dark spirits are like mosquitos that are always looking for a target. While some activities attract these pesky flies (think of sinful and morally compromised behavior), there are always some just hanging around, and Satan will even target God's people because they are capable of making a real difference that Satan doesn't like. God also allows this some for His purposes, like training. (A little different but consider God's utilizing a lying spirit in 1 Kings 22:19-23.) With oppression, though, you can generally cast them off yourself. With possession, you cannot.
However, yes dark spirits and Holy Spirit can dwell in the same vessel - receiving Holy Spirit doesn't mean a person is instantly perfected, after all, and what they offer the person is like a drug.
Much more common than possession, though is oppression, and that is universal. Dark spirits are like mosquitos that are always looking for a target. While some activities attract these pesky flies (think of sinful and morally compromised behavior), there are always some just hanging around, and Satan will even target God's people because they are capable of making a real difference that Satan doesn't like. God also allows this some for His purposes, like training. (A little different but consider God's utilizing a lying spirit in 1 Kings 22:19-23.) With oppression, though, you can generally cast them off yourself. With possession, you cannot.
This is an interesting linguistic point. Perhaps 'possession' isn't the best terminology for it then, but I could also see an argument for it being simply a different definition of the term than implied ownership. Like a thief might be found in possession of stolen goods, but that possession clearly does not imply ownership. In other words, it can simply mean to have something.
I understand your point, but I was really referring to something like this.
Mat 9:32
As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil.
Mat 9:33
And when the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.
This man had a dumb spirit, or he had a spirit that was hindering him from speaking. In other words, this spirit was really only negatively affecting or impacting one part of this man's overall being, so to say that he was possessed by this spirit really does not seem accurate. I am certainly not a Greek scholar, but the Greek word daimonizomai, that was here translated into English as possessed with a devil, could apparently mean to be under the power of a demon, and this is what the context suggests.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g1139/kjv/tr/0-1/
In other words, the context does not suggest that this spirit had complete control over the man, as in possessing him, but rather power over one aspect of his overall being.
Anyhow, I sought to make the distinction because, although I believe that a Christian can have a demon inside of them which has power over a certain aspect of their overall being, I do not believe that a Christian can be possessed by the devil or by a demon in the sense of that demon having full control over his or her being. I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say.
Mat 9:32
As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil.
Mat 9:33
And when the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.
This man had a dumb spirit, or he had a spirit that was hindering him from speaking. In other words, this spirit was really only negatively affecting or impacting one part of this man's overall being, so to say that he was possessed by this spirit really does not seem accurate. I am certainly not a Greek scholar, but the Greek word daimonizomai, that was here translated into English as possessed with a devil, could apparently mean to be under the power of a demon, and this is what the context suggests.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g1139/kjv/tr/0-1/
In other words, the context does not suggest that this spirit had complete control over the man, as in possessing him, but rather power over one aspect of his overall being.
Anyhow, I sought to make the distinction because, although I believe that a Christian can have a demon inside of them which has power over a certain aspect of their overall being, I do not believe that a Christian can be possessed by the devil or by a demon in the sense of that demon having full control over his or her being. I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say.
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That might be the first time that anybody here has ever thanked me. 
What is going on here?
Have I entered into "The Twilight Zone" or something?
"Imagine if you will..."
Just trying to keep things light and friendly here. I know that this is not a humorous topic.
What is going on here?
Have I entered into "The Twilight Zone" or something?
"Imagine if you will..."
Just trying to keep things light and friendly here. I know that this is not a humorous topic.
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You probably did. That was just another failed attempt at humor on my part.
On a serious note, I have been contemplating canceling my account here all day long. Not only does my participation here (in the overall forums) seem so useless, but the sudden death of my niece last night has me reeling and thinking about the brevity of life. It's probably best if I just logoff for a bit before doing anything hasty.
Good night.
On a serious note, I have been contemplating canceling my account here all day long. Not only does my participation here (in the overall forums) seem so useless, but the sudden death of my niece last night has me reeling and thinking about the brevity of life. It's probably best if I just logoff for a bit before doing anything hasty.
Good night.
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Not sure if this has been covered but,
1 Corinthians 5:5
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
So at least one demon (I am assuming not Satan himself, because the guy managed to survive at least some time) would have to reach into the persons body to some degree to kill him.
Though I guess someone could argue strangulation, oxygen deprivation, constriction, or blunt force trauma...
That's all I got though.
1 Corinthians 5:5
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
So at least one demon (I am assuming not Satan himself, because the guy managed to survive at least some time) would have to reach into the persons body to some degree to kill him.
Though I guess someone could argue strangulation, oxygen deprivation, constriction, or blunt force trauma...
That's all I got though.
While I don't agree with everything you've said, you have had a lot of very thoughtful things to share in this conversation and I thank you for them. The quote above cannot be emphasized enough. And we as Christians need to know how to apply a real understanding of the spiritual world to all of life, so I thought I would share a meme I made a while back that is related.
I am familiar with the terms oppression and possession, but I find your term obsession an interesting distinction. It would be under the umbrella of oppression in the vernacular of my fellowship, but I think I know just what you mean. There is definitely a difference between a spirit pestering your for an afternoon and one that torments you for years or even decades. I have known both myself, as I had one torment and corrupt me starting when I was around 9 years old. I soon after started fighting against it's temptations toward hateful, prideful thoughts (FYI, they were really self-hatred in disguise, which begetted more self-hatred because I couldn't stop), but I couldn't hope to ever win the war until one day like 10-15 years back when God finally freed me from the evil spirit that had 'obsessioned' (is that a word?) me.
At that point God had taught me a lot about evil spirits so I had some context. Then that day I kept feeling like an emotion or something I couldn't identify. I kept asking God what it was, but wasn't getting an answer. However, back then I was a substitute teacher and paraeducator and God gave me a job that day where there was a late start followed by a lot of time with nothing to do but sit and think. I spent all of that bonus time trying to determine what the feeling was and continuing to call out to God about it. It wasn't till I was driving home, though, that God finally answered. Suddenly the verse came to mind, "Love does not delight in evil" (1 Cor. 13:6a) and it was only then that I could discern that what it was, was that same draw to think evil of a certain type of people. God then showed me what to do about it, though it's rather out there and I'm not looking to get controversial so I won't get into it now. Anyway, though the grooming didn't suddenly disappear and I fight others attacking my weakness to this day, I am now winning the war where I couldn't before. For example, they frequently try to tempt me in my sleep, but though I don't necessarily get it immediately, I'm to the point where even in my sleep I am able to discern what is going on and rebuke them.
An important side note on this, though. What Satan meant for evil God used for good. Though I grew up in a Christian home, it was this very attack and revealing of a weakness that made me really understand how desperately I needed a savior - the repentance of salvation.
I am familiar with the terms oppression and possession, but I find your term obsession an interesting distinction. It would be under the umbrella of oppression in the vernacular of my fellowship, but I think I know just what you mean. There is definitely a difference between a spirit pestering your for an afternoon and one that torments you for years or even decades. I have known both myself, as I had one torment and corrupt me starting when I was around 9 years old. I soon after started fighting against it's temptations toward hateful, prideful thoughts (FYI, they were really self-hatred in disguise, which begetted more self-hatred because I couldn't stop), but I couldn't hope to ever win the war until one day like 10-15 years back when God finally freed me from the evil spirit that had 'obsessioned' (is that a word?) me.
At that point God had taught me a lot about evil spirits so I had some context. Then that day I kept feeling like an emotion or something I couldn't identify. I kept asking God what it was, but wasn't getting an answer. However, back then I was a substitute teacher and paraeducator and God gave me a job that day where there was a late start followed by a lot of time with nothing to do but sit and think. I spent all of that bonus time trying to determine what the feeling was and continuing to call out to God about it. It wasn't till I was driving home, though, that God finally answered. Suddenly the verse came to mind, "Love does not delight in evil" (1 Cor. 13:6a) and it was only then that I could discern that what it was, was that same draw to think evil of a certain type of people. God then showed me what to do about it, though it's rather out there and I'm not looking to get controversial so I won't get into it now. Anyway, though the grooming didn't suddenly disappear and I fight others attacking my weakness to this day, I am now winning the war where I couldn't before. For example, they frequently try to tempt me in my sleep, but though I don't necessarily get it immediately, I'm to the point where even in my sleep I am able to discern what is going on and rebuke them.
An important side note on this, though. What Satan meant for evil God used for good. Though I grew up in a Christian home, it was this very attack and revealing of a weakness that made me really understand how desperately I needed a savior - the repentance of salvation.
Actually, I appreciate you in your joining in (for you are certainly worthwhile) but I believe that verse refers not to letting Satan or his minions directly kill someone, but rather allowing the person to go discover by experience that the wages (result) of sin is death in hope that they will come to agree that their behavior is vile. Or as it says in James 1:13-15
13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Wow!, thank you for this share in care Sister, Wow I see said the blind person to the deaf person
Face it, stand in trust to live above our circumstances, from God who loves us all, proven in Son to me as risen. as inn (God's Inn) 1 Cor 15 talks to me about this truth.
He is risen, we are reconciled, (forgiven) and can stand in the midst of anything. Wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
Again facing not hiding, no more looking up or down, seeing it facing it, standing I can face it, thanks to God for me
I can accept it, by accepting, one, anyone overcomes it. Might not be at first, yet to all that do not quit, eventually get it and remain thankful to Father in Risen Son. I have been through much too, thank you
Face it, stand in trust to live above our circumstances, from God who loves us all, proven in Son to me as risen. as inn (God's Inn) 1 Cor 15 talks to me about this truth.
He is risen, we are reconciled, (forgiven) and can stand in the midst of anything. Wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
Again facing not hiding, no more looking up or down, seeing it facing it, standing I can face it, thanks to God for me
I can accept it, by accepting, one, anyone overcomes it. Might not be at first, yet to all that do not quit, eventually get it and remain thankful to Father in Risen Son. I have been through much too, thank you
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I have cast them out, in Jesus' name, as well.
My sincere question for you is this:
Did you cast demons out of believers or unbelievers?
Also, did Jesus cast demons out of believers or unbelievers? Take a moment before you answer this particular question.
Anyhow, in every instance where I have cast a demon out of someone, that person was a believer.
My sincere question for you is this:
Did you cast demons out of believers or unbelievers?
Also, did Jesus cast demons out of believers or unbelievers? Take a moment before you answer this particular question.
Anyhow, in every instance where I have cast a demon out of someone, that person was a believer.