did Christ retrun in AD 70? Matthew 24

[becausehedied]

BECAUSEHEDIED


YOU SAID: First, I do not appreciate you calling me a liar. Second, you are taking two Scriptures and joining them together that are speaking about two different events.

Then explain the two different events.

You know these scriptures exist and what they refer to...that's why anyone with this knowledge and still denies their very clear meaning and says "nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus will not return to this earth" in my opinion is lying.


1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.


meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Amen! .....but the verse does not say "Will always be with the Lord in Heaven" We will always be with the Lord wherever the Lord happens to be. We will return with the Lord to this earth.

Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, His return to this earth....

Zechariah 14:5
and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. Us returning with Him.

Unless you can prove otherwise, these are very direct scriptures that have not been fulfilled yet that clearly speaks of the Lords return to this earth. Your verses do not even insinuate that the Lord will never return to this earth. I know you got something better than that.

Unless you can prove that this verse means that we will not be with the Lord in heaven I am through speaking to you on this topic.

Interesting I give you a verse that is clear, notice that it says that we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the air with the Lord.

What point is there to even consider coming back to this earth.

I prefer to be with God in heaven, not on earth.

Thank you and have a good day.

oh yeah by the way the verses you mentioned never says we will be here on earth with Jesus.

 

[peterT]

Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah know our soul, hearts and minds , it is not a good thing to accuse another of being of the synagogue of satan..

Will that man remember the message or the accusation you charged him with?

I myself have to be rebuked for this often........


I humble myself often by remembering the time i believed man.....

Now i believe Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

We can and must share the Truth.

In doing so let us show Love and Compassion, because although a person may disagree, in time it may mean something to them.

Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

Is that right? Jesus did it, and accuses the Pharisees and Scribes of being of the devil and they were his people the children of Israel. For Jesus came to his own

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

He also accessed the lawyers of being guilty by association.

46And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
47Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.

If it’s good enough for Jesus its good enough for me.

Will that man remember the message or the accusation you charged him with?

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What do you think they will remember?

 

[peterT]

Dude! This is uncalled for, they are our brothers in the gospel. Just because they disagree on this non-salvic doctrine does not make them from Satan.

Some of the so called "dispensational" Doctrines proposed are more dangerous than what these brothers teach. Trying to say a brother in Christ is a synagogue of Satan is outright wrong!

It is one thing to discuss scripture, it is another thing to attack a brother and call them satan influenced!

You might want to put up with false brethren and proselytes, but I am not putting up with it.

15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

You my wont to put up with false brethren putting a stumbling block before the children of God, but I am not letting it slide. Matt24 is not fulfilled and the book of revelation is not fulfilled and if they were of God they would hear God’s words. Especially after they have been shown the simplicity of the word in the Matt24

You do it the way the lord showed you, and I will do it the way the lord showed me.

And it is not outright wrong to say some false brethren are of the synagogue of Satan.

Jesus said Ye are of your father the devil to his own people thus they are of the synagogue of Satan.

Now show me a scripture were I can’t say that?

 

[1still_waters]

Ok we've beaten this horse long enough. Time to close the thread. All we're getting now is discord and name calling.