Did Christ's death atone or did Christ's life atone?

[john832]

Well I'll respectfully differ in opinion. I say Christ's resurrection was the crowing achievement of his life...literally. He was crowned when he was resurrected. If Christ never resurrected there would be no hope for any of us.

1 Corinthians 15:12-19


Notice the passage didn't say "if Christ didn't die...then our preaching is in vain." He had to resurrect or none of this matters.

We are saved by His life (His resurrection from the dead).

Romans 5 is wonderfully concise...

Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

1) We are justified by His blood.

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.'

Heb 9:22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

Sin requires blood. It will be either ours or One who takes the punishment for us.

2) We are reconciled to the Father by Christ's death. His death allows us to come to the Father...

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

But Christ's death has reconciled us to the Father so that He does hear our prayers and does forgive us.

3) We are saved by His life. Christ laid down His life ( He didn't just shed his skin or husk, He DIED for us) and His resurrection saves us. We can have eternal life because it is Christ's to give. The Holy Spirit gives life...

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

We receive the down payment on life now...

2Co 1:22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2Co 5:5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

We receive life at the resurrection...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY."

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

At the resurrection...

1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 

[homwardbound]

John the Baptist states: Take away
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
So as I see it taken away in whose sight God the Father or man's?
God the Father for:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

And it is per Christ:
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

We are in:

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.



[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

 

[Yahshua]

Thanks guys I appreciate the comments so far. For anyone else; please feel free to contribute.

 

[homwardbound]

Christs death did not atone for our sins. It was the shedding of his blood.

Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

The Holy Spirit cannot dwell in an unclean person. The blood cleanses us. The Holy Spirit fills us and we alk in newness of life.

Timber

There is a difference in Atonement and taking away is there not?
Atonement covers, does not take them away?
Christ came to take them away, and if we do not believe3 he did this through the cross, how anyone truly walk in the newness of life?

 

[homwardbound]

Forgivness has nothing to do with the Death. It has to do with the Blood. The ressurection has nothing to do with forgivness but it has to do with hope .

Timber

Is not forgiven through the blood the cleansing of the deck, made Holy before Father in order to receive from Father the gift of new life in the Spirit of Father. To walk as Christ walked? Is not the Holy Spirit that same one that led Christ, is this not the same he sent after his ascension
And if we get taught from Father how to trust as Jesus trusted, will we not walk as Christ walked?

 

[homwardbound]

Yah



His Death atoned and His Life did as well. His death atone in regards to taking away the penalty of sin for those He died for, His death abolished death for them, and His Life gives them Life which is owed them for His deaths sake. Since His death paid for the wages of their sins, which wages was death Rom 6:23, then Life must be given to evidence that the penalty of death has been eliminated for them, and so in His Life He becomes a quickening Spirit for them He died for 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

That word quickening actually means life giving !

45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.ASV

45 Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being (an individual personality); the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving Spirit [restoring the dead to life].AMP

45 So it is also written, The first human, Adam, became a living person, and the last Adam became a spirit that gives life.CEB

You see what I am saying ?

And by this we have past from death to life in the Spirit of God, where today is the only way God is served in Spirit and truth