Did God occupy any space before creation?

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Nehemiah6

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Some here seem to doubt that Melchizedek, King of Salem, is not Yeshua Hamashiach.
That is the strange thing. Melchizedek was none other than one of the aspects of the pre-incarnate Christ. He came out of nowhere, then disappeared from the OT account. The Bible says that Melchizedek was Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. (Heb 7:3,4).
 

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Does God have size? If God has size, how big is He? If God has size now, was God always this big?
God is in space, but He is not active in all space. there is space beyond what we call space which is truly the created cosmos. God has a purpose for space.

The question is will we be part of that purpose?
 

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Does God have size? If God has size, how big is He? If God has size now, was God always this big?
Nothing like an easy question.............God is, was and always will be. Why don't you ask God that question? Read your Bible and pray and He will reveal Himself to you. God Bless!
 
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Does God have size? If God has size, how big is He? If God has size now, was God always this big?
I believe this Verse shows not only how big God is but how powerful He is. From Isaiah 40:
12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

That's a big hand to measure the waters. Ever fly over the Pacific or Atlantic. That's a big hollow in the hand of God.
Science has proposed space is over 100 billion light years big. That's a big arm span God has.
Think of a mountain and hills how massive they are. And the size of scales it would take to weigh and balance the mountains and hills.
I would say God is not only massive, He cannot even be properly defined how powerful He actually is.
 

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I was referring to God the Father. He is BOTH an omnipresent Spirit and well as the one who sits on His throne in Heaven, surrounded by the cherubim.
Which is a non-spirit form.



As to the pre-incarnate Christ, He was the only one seen by men, because the Bible says that no man has seen God [the Father] at any time.
That means no one understands God, not that no one physically has seen God because he has been seen, both Father and Son.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


This phrase is a figure of speech that simply means no one has fully understood or known God except Jesus and that's because Jesus is God's son.


Clarke:


It is likely that the word seen, here, is put for known, as in Joh_3:32; 1Jo_3:2, 1Jo_3:6, and 3Jo_1:11; and this sense the latter clause of the verse seems to require: - No man, how highly soever favored, hath fully known God, at any time, in any nation or age; the only begotten Son



We have one scoffer here who claims that Christ could not possibly have been "the Angel of the LORD" in the OT. But a careful study of who this Angel is and how men responded to His presence will confirm that this was one of the aspects of the pre-incarnate Christ. As a matter of fact the third chapter of Exodus will make this crystal clear. The one who said that He is "I AM" is the one who appeared as the Angel of the LORD at the burning bush. When Christ identified Himself as "I AM" to the Jews, they should all have fallen down and worshiped Him. And He identified Himself in this way several times.
While the PIC was seen and is responsible for some of the OT references, I believe the vast majority were God the Father. Both the Father and Son are "I AM" because both are God/Divine.
 
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It doesn't surprise me that God likes big trains.
Does God have size? If God has size, how big is He? If God has size now, was God always this big?
I believe Gid created a cartoon character called buzz light year with the sentiment to infinity and beyond.

Hope that helps 🙂
 

Nehemiah6

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Which is a non-spirit form
I already said that BOTH things apply to God the Father. If you doubt that then you do not really believe the Bible. So why did you come up with this? And the rest of your responses are not according to Scripture. You are calling a Bible truth "a figure of speech". That is plainly foolish.
 

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Infinite space would be more like it, although scientists now say that space is in fact finite. Only God knows.
Our space time continuum is theoretically limited, but if God is imminent throughout our space-time, and gteater than or space-time, is it not reasonable to say God iincludes the infinite space-time within which we exist?
 

PaulThomson

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It is generally considered to be true that God both inhabits and transcends His creation .:)
So, by that definition, God would need to be a space-time entity that is at least big enough to include all other space-time entities.
 

PaulThomson

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It would seem attempting to measure the immeasurable be a venture in futility.
I don't see how suggesting God is infinite in space and infinite in time is measuring the immeasurable, any more than suggesting God is infinite in mercy or love or power.
 

PaulThomson

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1Ki 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

God is an omnipresent Spirit, and an invisible Spirit that no person, or angel can see but we can see a visible image of Him.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Great scriptures. What do you think they mean in relation to the OP? Does God have size and, if He does, how big is He.
 

PaulThomson

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God is in space, but He is not active in all space. there is space beyond what we call space which is truly the created cosmos. God has a purpose for space.

The question is will we be part of that purpose?
None of your comments, though interesting, answer the actual OP questions.
"Does God have size? If God has size, how big is He? If God has size now, was God always this big?"
 

PaulThomson

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I believe this Verse shows not only how big God is but how powerful He is. From Isaiah 40:
12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

That's a big hand to measure the waters. Ever fly over the Pacific or Atlantic. That's a big hollow in the hand of God.
Science has proposed space is over 100 billion light years big. That's a big arm span God has.
Think of a mountain and hills how massive they are. And the size of scales it would take to weigh and balance the mountains and hills.
I would say God is not only massive, He cannot even be properly defined how powerful He actually is.
So, was God always the size He now needs to be to measure in His hand the waters He created ? Or did He develop size when He created the universe to fit the universe inside Himself?
 

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I don't see how suggesting God is infinite in space and infinite in time is measuring the immeasurable, any more than suggesting God is infinite in mercy or love or power.
Ok then, is the OP any sort of trap laid out to ensnare anyone that you perceive to be claiming otherwise?
 

Nehemiah6

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So, was God always the size He now needs to be to measure in His hand the waters He created ? Or did He develop size when He created the universe to fit the universe inside Himself?
Silly questions. Next.
 

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Does God have size? If God has size, how big is He? If God has size now, was God always this big?
God is Spirit in eternity.. Size requires dimensions and that is of this physical universe.. Now can God enter this universe? Yes because Jesus is LORD.. So one can say that the God is the size of Jesus.. Also God created both the Heavens and the Earth. So as the Father in Heaven which has been described in OT scripture.. We can say that the Father who sits on His throne in Heaven has size.. But again before creation did God have Size? No.. He was and still is The Holy Spirit.. But He is also the Father in Heaven and Jesus who was on Earth..
 

PaulThomson

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Silly questions. Next.
They are perfectly sound and reasonable follow up questions to the response they addressed.
Maybe the questions seem silly to you because your theories about God's nature can't address them coherently.
The response they addressed was -
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I believe this Verse shows not only how big God is but how powerful He is. From Isaiah 40:
12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

That's a big hand to measure the waters. Ever fly over the Pacific or Atlantic. That's a big hollow in the hand of God.
Science has proposed space is over 100 billion light years big. That's a big arm span God has.
Think of a mountain and hills how massive they are. And the size of scales it would take to weigh and balance the mountains and hills.
I would say God is not only massive, He cannot even be properly defined how powerful He actually is."

The questions were -
So, was God always the size He now needs to be to measure in His hand the waters He created ? Or did He develop size when He created the universe to fit the universe inside Himself?