Did God Really Say? A Lesson in Compromise by Christian

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
T

Tintin

Guest
#1
Biblical theologian/scholar:
Okay, I want to share with you some Good News of great joy!

Person: Sure.

Well, there’s this God/man, Jesus Christ...

You’ve lost me. Start at the beginning.

Okay. Genesis. In the beginning creation was perfect. The first man, Adam and his wife, the first woman, Eve were tight with God. A perfect creation; a perfect relationship. Then a serpent, controlled in some form by Satan (the head angel in God’s army who was kicked out of God’s presence) tricked Adam and Eve into disobeying God. Their perfect relationship was torn apart. God kicked both Satan and the couple out of the Garden of Eden, after telling them of a coming Saviour who would restore creation to its former glory and humanity to God. All of creation fell under the curse of sin. From then on, mankind wanted to be their own god. Adam and Eve had two children, Cain and Abel (and others). Cain killed Abel. Adam and Eve had a son Seth. Many, many years passed. There was a godly man called Noah and his wife and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth and their wives. God told Noah to build an ark, because He was going to flood the world and start over with a small remnant. God told Noah to climb aboard the ark with his family and two of every kind of animal, bird, reptile and seven of every clean creature. Noah obeyed, they survived the Flood, thanked God for His mercy and were fruitful and multiplied. Some generations later, their descendants built a great tower to reach the heavens and God broke their one language into many. In their confusion, the different family groups spread all over the world. Over many generations, the Sumerian culture was established, and the Ancient Egyptian and the Ancient Greek. But of course, none of what I just told you ever really happened.

Sorry?

We’re much more enlightened now. We recognise early Genesis as myth, but believe it still holds God’s truth. Okay, then God made this covenant/binding contract with a man called Abram, who later became Abraham. God promised Abram that He would bless him with many descendants. There were other important men of God too, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph.

Yes, I’ve heard of some of those men.

Fact is, they didn’t exist either.

Excuse me?

Nor do Moses or Joshua or King David.

Right. So, we’re talking about a truthful myth again?

Yes. And because Moses didn’t exist, we have to make up something to dupe people into disbelieving God’s Word.

Pardon?

Oops. Did I say that last bit out-loud? We have the JEDP system – four sources: a Yahwist source, a Elohist source, a Deuteronimist and a Priestly source, for which we have no evidence, but are confident that they exist.

*facepalm* You did it again. You’re a moron.

Sorry?

Nothing. Please continue.

These sources were written by unknown scribes over several hundred years. From the time of the prophets Isaiah, to the 6th century when the Jewish people were living in exile in Babylon.

Sorry, prophets Isaiah?

Yes, there were three or possibly four scribes who wrote Isaiah.

*headdesk*

Actually, the whole Old Testament was written during this period of several hundred years, with much of the Pentateuch being written to encourage the Jewish captives. There was a period of silence from God for 400 years. Then the silence was broken when Jesus Christ arrived on the scene. He came to earth as a God/man, to suffer, to die and to rise to new life and to offer this same new life to us. That’s the Good News!

Good News? You don’t believe your God from the first word in the Bible, from the very first chapter. So, why should I? I’m not interested in your God. Go away.
 
O

oldthennew

Guest
#4
good post, Tin,

we could get into the 'battle of the scholars', for one says this and another says that -
but in the end, it is our FAITH that we who serve our Father rest upon.
 
Mar 23, 2014
435
1
0
#5
Biblical theologian/scholar:
Okay, I want to share with you some Good News of great joy!

Person: Sure.

Well, there’s this God/man, Jesus Christ...

You’ve lost me. Start at the beginning.

Okay. Genesis. In the beginning creation was perfect. The first man, Adam and his wife, the first woman, Eve were tight with God. A perfect creation; a perfect relationship. Then a serpent, controlled in some form by Satan (the head angel in God’s army who was kicked out of God’s presence) tricked Adam and Eve into disobeying God. Their perfect relationship was torn apart. God kicked both Satan and the couple out of the Garden of Eden, after telling them of a coming Saviour who would restore creation to its former glory and humanity to God. All of creation fell under the curse of sin. From then on, mankind wanted to be their own god. Adam and Eve had two children, Cain and Abel (and others). Cain killed Abel. Adam and Eve had a son Seth. Many, many years passed. There was a godly man called Noah and his wife and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth and their wives. God told Noah to build an ark, because He was going to flood the world and start over with a small remnant. God told Noah to climb aboard the ark with his family and two of every kind of animal, bird, reptile and seven of every clean creature. Noah obeyed, they survived the Flood, thanked God for His mercy and were fruitful and multiplied. Some generations later, their descendants built a great tower to reach the heavens and God broke their one language into many. In their confusion, the different family groups spread all over the world. Over many generations, the Sumerian culture was established, and the Ancient Egyptian and the Ancient Greek. But of course, none of what I just told you ever really happened.

Sorry?

We’re much more enlightened now. We recognise early Genesis as myth, but believe it still holds God’s truth. Okay, then God made this covenant/binding contract with a man called Abram, who later became Abraham. God promised Abram that He would bless him with many descendants. There were other important men of God too, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph.

Yes, I’ve heard of some of those men.

Fact is, they didn’t exist either.

Excuse me?

Nor do Moses or Joshua or King David.

Right. So, we’re talking about a truthful myth again?

Yes. And because Moses didn’t exist, we have to make up something to dupe people into disbelieving God’s Word.

Pardon?

Oops. Did I say that last bit out-loud? We have the JEDP system – four sources: a Yahwist source, a Elohist source, a Deuteronimist and a Priestly source, for which we have no evidence, but are confident that they exist.

*facepalm* You did it again. You’re a moron.

Sorry?

Nothing. Please continue.

These sources were written by unknown scribes over several hundred years. From the time of the prophets Isaiah, to the 6th century when the Jewish people were living in exile in Babylon.

Sorry, prophets Isaiah?

Yes, there were three or possibly four scribes who wrote Isaiah.

*headdesk*

Actually, the whole Old Testament was written during this period of several hundred years, with much of the Pentateuch being written to encourage the Jewish captives. There was a period of silence from God for 400 years. Then the silence was broken when Jesus Christ arrived on the scene. He came to earth as a God/man, to suffer, to die and to rise to new life and to offer this same new life to us. That’s the Good News!

Good News? You don’t believe your God from the first word in the Bible, from the very first chapter. So, why should I? I’m not interested in your God. Go away.
You finally getting close to the truth, now you just to get rid of the DOGMA.

So you could still be T[io]ntin.
 
T

Tintin

Guest
#6
Where's the dog, Ma?!
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,196
6,539
113
#8
Guess I'm the only one, but I've read the OP twice now, and I don't understand what it is implying.
 
P

psychomom

Guest
#9
Guess I'm the only one, but I've read the OP twice now, and I don't understand what it is implying.
i think Christian is saying if we compromise any part of the Truth of God's Word,
it also compromises our witness to an unbelieving world.

why should they believe the Gospel if we show them we don't believe all God says? :(
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,196
6,539
113
#10
i think Christian is saying if we compromise any part of the Truth of God's Word,
it also compromises our witness to an unbelieving world.

why should they believe the Gospel if we show them we don't believe all God says? :(
? Ok, that's fine, but not what I took away from my reading of the OP.
 
T

Tintin

Guest
#12
Mum is correct. Just curious, brother. What message did you take away from my opening post?
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,196
6,539
113
#13
Mum is correct. Just curious, brother. What message did you take away from my opening post?

Befuddlement...........mostly........... :) Why I was asking......
 
T

Tintin

Guest
#14
Befuddlement...........mostly........... :) Why I was asking......
Sorry, brother. I tried to make it clear as possible. Still, when I posted it on Facebook, people had a go at me about blasting evolution and progressive creation, neither of which I even mentioned here (although most people know I've very much against both). So it's all good. It seems that you're not the only one who was a little confuzzled.
 

Yonah

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2014
1,074
103
48
#15
Psa 14:1
THE fool has said
in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have been defiled by their own devices; there is none that does good.

Psa 53:1
THE fool has said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and abominable in their iniquities; and there is none that does good.

 

Yonah

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2014
1,074
103
48
#16
fill in the blanks
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,196
6,539
113
#17
Sorry, brother. I tried to make it clear as possible. Still, when I posted it on Facebook, people had a go at me about blasting evolution and progressive creation, neither of which I even mentioned here (although most people know I've very much against both). So it's all good. It seems that you're not the only one who was a little confuzzled.
:) well, I didn't see you saying that either...........and I didn't realize you were the Author, thought you just copied from another's writings...........

To better clarify my befuddlement, I know quite a number of Preachers/Pastors within my church who hold a Degree in Theology, and not one of them dismisses the Word of God as "not really happening." That was a bit of a shock to read, for if there are those Scholars or Theologians who do this..........then it is a truly sad thing.

One of the core beliefs of my church is that The Word of God, The Holy Bible is Truth. Maybe that makes more clear my befuddlement?
 
T

Tintin

Guest
#18
:) well, I didn't see you saying that either...........and I didn't realize you were the Author, thought you just copied from another's writings...........

To better clarify my befuddlement, I know quite a number of Preachers/Pastors within my church who hold a Degree in Theology, and not one of them dismisses the Word of God as "not really happening." That was a bit of a shock to read, for if there are those Scholars or Theologians who do this..........then it is a truly sad thing.

One of the core beliefs of my church is that The Word of God, The Holy Bible is Truth. Maybe that makes more clear my befuddlement?
Ah, yes. My name is Christian and I wrote this piece. It seems to have made a few of my friends on Facebook rather angry. Oh, well. Yes, unfortunately this attitude is indicative of many biblical theologians and Bible scholars. Even if they don't believe such nonsense, they give it credit in their writings and Bible commentaries (which is shameful). I'm glad you see the Bible as it truly is. So do I. Sadly, many don't.
 
P

psychomom

Guest
#19
Psa 14:1
THE fool has said
in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have been defiled by their own devices; there is none that does good.

Psa 53:1
THE fool has said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and abominable in their iniquities; and there is none that does good.

fill in the blanks
God already did. :)

For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. (Rom 5:6)


(sorry to derail, Christian, but....the Gospel! :) )