Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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"We are saved by grace through faith" This is not of ourselves. It is the gift of God.
If that we are saved by grace through faith [in Christ] is not of ourselves, what more could it be referring to as being not from us, other than the idea of God saving us by grace through faith? What do you have in mind?
If that we are saved by grace through faith [in Christ] is not of ourselves, what more could it be referring to as being not from us, other than the idea of God saving us by grace through faith? What do you have in mind?
Better yet, What if they are elect because God knew what they would believe and what they would not?
yes it is, Without the cross. Without the scriptures. Without the people God puts in our life to help draw us to him, and without The conviction of the HS. All the work of God. we would never have anything, nor any reason to have faith.
You can;t take John 3: 16 and make it say something it does not say.. or add or subract to it to make it say something it does not.
I believe in predestination my friend. I just reject fatalistic predestination. which is not found in scripture.
yes it is, Without the cross. Without the scriptures. Without the people God puts in our life to help draw us to him, and without The conviction of the HS. All the work of God. we would never have anything, nor any reason to have faith.
You can;t take John 3: 16 and make it say something it does not say.. or add or subract to it to make it say something it does not.
I believe in predestination my friend. I just reject fatalistic predestination. which is not found in scripture.
The Doctrines of Grace are far from fatalistic. They are filled with hope for all those who come to realize that just as Jeremiah was thrown into a very deep, dark pit, we all, too, came into this world cast into such a pit, as it were by Adam's sin, and as helpless and hopeless as the prophet until he was rescued by outside help from the Cushite on the order of the king. We, too, can only be rescued by the King who sends his Holy Spirit to rescue us. We are simply powerless to rescue ourselves. How is this "fatalistic"?
