Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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This is a food fight within Reformed Theology. Some say conditional. Some say unconditional. It's been this way for some time. The fact that you take a position on unconditional and don't acknowledge the debate is not surprising.
The conditional sector of the debate for one things acknowledges the requirement of faith.
At the end of the analysis this all boils down to the extreme pendulum swing of an over-correction against works salvation. One error combating another error. And, as usual, we'll find various explanations of what is meant by and included in the terminology of conditional vs. unconditional. It's all just debated interpretive theory no matter what you choose to write and highlight.
It's clear you don't like Scripture like 1Tim4:10 or anything that clearly shreds your chosen interpretive system. It's also clear you don't like the context of Gal4. It was of course written by the same Paul who wrote the living God is the Savior of all men.
I'm well aware of the debates (plural) that surround both the Abrahamic and New Covenants, even within Reformed Theology. So, what? Maybe that's a reason I don't subscribe to Covenant Theology! 
Since you take the conditional side (probably to both), then identify the conditions in the NC with chapter and verse, please. But of course, you won't be able to do so; for we both know there are no conditions stipulated in Jer 31, 32 or Ezek 36. The NC is strictly unilateral -- filled with I WILL, I WILL, I WILL (God speaking) -- with no YOU WILL anywhere to be found. And this is be expected since the NC is so very much UNLIKE the Old (Jer 31:32), which indeed was a conditional, bilateral covenant.
How does it feel to be weak and impotent -- not being able to reconcile the demands of the NT Gospel with the unconditional promises of the New Covenant that preceded the first advent by several centuries? What happened to all this spiritual understanding that you have boasted about -- either from within man naturally or that is God-given to all, without exception? Do you need a little help? Feel free to ask.... I know how to reconcile both extremes that would simultaneously preserve the integrity of the "opposing" passages. There's truly no contradiction between the demands-free NC and NT Gospel demands.
And 1Tim 4:10 is no problem at all per my 9230. Too lazy to look it up? Easy text to understand.
Since you take the conditional side (probably to both), then identify the conditions in the NC with chapter and verse, please. But of course, you won't be able to do so; for we both know there are no conditions stipulated in Jer 31, 32 or Ezek 36. The NC is strictly unilateral -- filled with I WILL, I WILL, I WILL (God speaking) -- with no YOU WILL anywhere to be found. And this is be expected since the NC is so very much UNLIKE the Old (Jer 31:32), which indeed was a conditional, bilateral covenant.How does it feel to be weak and impotent -- not being able to reconcile the demands of the NT Gospel with the unconditional promises of the New Covenant that preceded the first advent by several centuries? What happened to all this spiritual understanding that you have boasted about -- either from within man naturally or that is God-given to all, without exception? Do you need a little help? Feel free to ask.... I know how to reconcile both extremes that would simultaneously preserve the integrity of the "opposing" passages. There's truly no contradiction between the demands-free NC and NT Gospel demands.
And 1Tim 4:10 is no problem at all per my 9230. Too lazy to look it up? Easy text to understand.