Did Jesus ever say I Forgive you?

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Magenta

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It says Jesus had AUTHORITY -----if Jesus was able to forgive sins Himself ----he wouldn't need to have AUTHORITY --

meaning of authority in Greek

Strong's Concordance
exousiazó: to exercise authority over
I am ruled, am held under authority.
having authority to act; "empowered


And

You are taking this scripture you quote out of context ------as in Matthew Chapter 27 ---Jesus is crucified --and that carries on in Chapter 28 -----so Jesus has been resurrected -------

Matthew 27
The Burial of Jesus
57 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. 59 Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away. 61 Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting there opposite the tomb.

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So in Chapter 28 ---he is appearing to the disciples in His new Body ------- and now has the authority to send them out to make more Disciples -----


your Verse here Verse 18 ------
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Matthew 28
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

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Jesus was sent to earth by his Father ---and did what His Father told Him to do and say what His Father told Him to say --He did His Fathers Will not His will ----

John 5:19 ESV
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

This is the scripture in Context --John 5

19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

This is this Scripture in Context--John 14

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it
I believe Jesus. He said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me."

"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father."

God bestowed on Him the Name which is above every name.

The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand.

You made Him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under His feet
 

Pilgrimshope

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I struggle often with the subject of forgiveness. I earnestly desire to forgive, say I forgive, but notice differently when taking notice of feelings. With remembrance, ever being an instigator, my heart races, my face becomes flush, and my temper quickens as these old wounds are brought to my line of vision.

What helps me "let it go" is by asking God, as did Jesus, as did Stephen and others, to forgive them. I explain that as they, like we all shall, give an account of all our deeds, whether by thought, by word, or by action, let nothing of what was done, said, or thought of me be held to their charge. I explain to God, I do want to forgive, and am attempting to do my best, but just in case my efforts are not successful, I need God to be my back-up.

I understand this could be a reliance on the flesh, which I am working on. I just remind myself I have forgiven them even though it does not feel like it, and God knows of my effort.

But then I think of Jesus. Although I am not well versed in Bible matters, I feel my knowledge is at least average, especially for one that has not attended church for decades. My learning is through study and the internet, like now. To my knowledge, and correct me if I am wrong, Jesus never said, "I forgive you."

Please provide references of why I am wrong. Thanks in advance.
“I do want to forgive, and am attempting to do my best, but just in case my efforts are not successful, I need God to be my back-up.”

the place to start brother is to acknowledge to God that you forgive the person , ask him to forgive it as well.

prayer has an importance to a believer it’s a time they are speaking with the lord. As we become forgiving in his sight during this time we spend with him in prayer , that has a way of changing the issues inside our heart because prayer is a time of communication and fellowship with the lord

if we can become forgiving in our prayer life first it has a way of changing the faith Within our heart and gives us strength to accomplish things we couldn’t or didn’t think we could

prayer between you and the lord sounds like where you are already just press forward

“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to answer your question Jesus said “ your sins are forgiven thy faith has saved thee go in peace “

he said this to a known sinful woman in front of a group of self righteous folks ,

“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?

And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:47-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Jesus had a way of speaking so he never said to anyone “ I forgive you “ but it’s what the gospel is about . The forgiveness of sins .

it’s only Christ that can forgive sins and he is meant to have his spirit living inside us a spirit of forgiveness and reconciliation that we hear and learn in the gospel

part of being like the Lord which were called to strive after is forgiving when k other people offend us
 
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“I do want to forgive, and am attempting to do my best, but just in case my efforts are not successful, I need God to be my back-up.”

the place to start brother is to acknowledge to God that you forgive the person , ask him to forgive it as well.

prayer has an importance to a believer it’s a time they are speaking with the lord. As we become forgiving in his sight during this time we spend with him in prayer , that has a way of changing the issues inside our heart because prayer is a time of communication and fellowship with the lord

if we can become forgiving in our prayer life first it has a way of changing the faith Within our heart and gives us strength to accomplish things we couldn’t or didn’t think we could

prayer between you and the lord sounds like where you are already just press forward

“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to answer your question Jesus said “ your sins are forgiven thy faith has saved thee go in peace “

he said this to a known sinful woman in front of a group of self righteous folks ,

“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?

And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:47-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Jesus had a way of speaking so he never said to anyone “ I forgive you “ but it’s what the gospel is about . The forgiveness of sins .

it’s only Christ that can forgive sins and he is meant to have his spirit living inside us a spirit of forgiveness and reconciliation that we hear and learn in the gospel

part of being like the Lord which were called to strive after is forgiving when k other people offend us
Well said and I agree.
 

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Ok. I just learned this, a part that states, "If they repent."
Luk_17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Luk_17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

You learn something new every day.
Did Jesus ever say - you are forgiven or they are forgiven. YES.

Luke_23:34a And Jesus said, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do....

Mat_9:2 And behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, be of good cheer; thy sins are forgiven.

Luke 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
Luke 7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.


Forgiving another, is not laying any charge upon that one. You forgive someone for the wrong they did to you, even if they do not forgive you or except your forgiveness. By doing this, we as believers show a higher standard - a Godly standard - which is higher than that of the world. This then will be seen by others and teaches God's standard in your actions. However, forgiving another from the heart, does not mean you will forget. It simply means, you hold no animosity towards that person nor will you be their accuser. Thus, love is magnified.

Jesus Christ, was in a unique position, as the God-Man, to know whom to forgive, for He knew what was in the heart of every man. We cannot know these things for certain, thus we should forgive always. One never knows - perchance God will save this person someday and you would not want to be guilty, of holding something, against a person whom God has forgiven.

For we know, that we would understand nothing of the Truth, if it were not for the Grace of God and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Let this then be your Guide. 1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not found vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Or as John Bradford said, around 1553: "But for the grace of God, so go I.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Well said and I agree.
just encouraging you brother it sounds like your on the path already just because you are acknolwedgong you need to press into forgiving , that’s what will lead you there acknolwedgong whatbjesus said about forgiveness accepting that’s the right judgement

because your a believer it’s going to be working inside of you because Jesus is your lord and savior what he taught and made important is already leading you into where you need to be I encourage you to continue on the path you are already moving towards and walking on you belong to Jesus brother and have a promise of life everlasting , you are Gods child and are headed towards home

As high a goal this is

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Just remember that’s ere the gospel is founded me if we walk on THat spirit we have a promise from the lord that offers us pardon and eternal Life with him

It’s the perfect law of freedom

“So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we aren’t perfect and make mistakes often in general , but it’s thy same for the ones who’ve wronged us as well

I’m old now , when I was young a man beat my grandpa to death . So my point is I’m encouraging you because I’ve been on the path your on and it leads to an amazing place

forgiveness can be one of the hardest thkngs to try to do for us marines the sin is terrible and hurt us deeply like my grandpas murder it affected many people tore family apart for years left a horrible hole in life

but the sensation in the heart then we can finally let it go to the lord when we finally are able to reach forth into that impossible act d we’re doing it because of faith

you can feel a healing flow run over your soul it’s hard to see it but unforgiveness is a heavy burden we carry ourselves when holding a grudge we’re the one bearing the weight of it and life’s hard enough

I’m sorry for the lengthy response I just really believe your in a great place because you have realized you need to press forward in forgiveness it’s a really great thing to read because I know where it’s leading you

press on brother God loves you and will give you the strength you need ahead gods working in you now to change your Will and actions through faith

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Magenta

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I’m old now , when I was young a man beat my grandpa to death . So my point is I’m
encouraging you because I’ve been on the path your on and it leads to an amazing place

forgiveness can be one of the hardest thkngs to try to do for us marines the sin is terrible and hurt us deeply
like my grandpas murder it affected many people tore family apart for years left a horrible hole in life
I am so sorry to hear that :cry:
 

Pilgrimshope

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I am so sorry to hear that:cry:
thank you for the love sister. It was a bery long time ago and now days as I approach departure myself some day in the future I’m just looking forward to seeing him again , of course the good lord willing

I always appreciate Your kind heart and spirit God bless sister and thank you again
 

Lanolin

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Jesus always referred to His Father in the forgiveness process so YOU may personally find it difficult to forgive someone but with Gods help you can

Also, recall Peter asked Jesus for forgiveness after he denied him 3 times and Jesus showed Peter what he could DO to make amends. He told Peter to feed his sheep and feed his lambs to show he loved him. He said this three times

sometimes forgiveness is a means for exchange, the wrong someone did has an opportunity to be righted.

the other thing about forgiveness is once you do that a feeling of peace comes over you which is so much better than feeling angry or bitter all the time. So do it, its good for you!
 

Pilgrimshope

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Jesus always referred to His Father in the forgiveness process so YOU may personally find it difficult to forgive someone but with Gods help you can

Also, recall Peter asked Jesus for forgiveness after he denied him 3 times and Jesus showed Peter what he could DO to make amends. He told Peter to feed his sheep and feed his lambs to show he loved him. He said this three times

sometimes forgiveness is a means for exchange, the wrong someone did has an opportunity to be righted.

the other thing about forgiveness is once you do that a feeling of peace comes over you which is so much better than feeling angry or bitter all the time. So do it, its good for you!
amen in the big picture it’s impossible to live in Gods Will , if we refuse to forgive.

but when we forgive we are following Christ and his Will and actually we are honoring his suffering and death not only for our sins and mistakes and shortcomings and offenses we’ve done but also the person who has wronged us Jesus died for thier sins too and we as Christian’s come to this understandkng and by forgiving sin , we are honoring what Jesus has done for us all and we are acting in the perfect will of God expressed in the gospel

instead of us looking at it like “ Jesus offered so Much bled so much and endured so much shame and punishment for forgiveness and remission of my sins “


We should apply that also to the people around us we have interactions with in the world . When we refuse to forgive someone we’re actually not acknolwedging why Jesus died , we’re still trying to hold the sin against person like Moses law does but we ourself want to not be held to that standard for the things we’ve done and said wrong towards others we’re forgiven by Jesus death , but they wronged us and we just can’t let that go they have to be held accountable but we don’t want to be

so you have this mindset formed by the law applied to everyone else who do wrong against us

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭


And you have this mknd applied to the person themself

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need to allow this to be the case

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I believe in Jesus atonement , I’m bound by his shed blood to forgive in his name , and know I will be held to whatever standard I hold those who sin against me , to . Mercy or judgement without mercy taken into to account we want as Christian’s to always be merciful , even if we can’t speak to the person face to face we can talk to God about the matter and make sure he knows we forgive them between us and him and we’re just having a hard time expressing it outwardly yet

we never want to have a grudge take root in our heart when one forms we need to pull it out like a weed in the garden before it starts spreading in our heart and taking root deeper and eventually lead us to a hard hearted place towards someone

forgiveness is a hard thing at times but Jesus says of we hear and believe him , and apply it to life it becomes an easy yoke , and leaves us free from condemnation as well as the soul that trespassed against us
 

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The words came from Him.. and if we do it we know He did it first. If we give we know He out gives all so forth so on. We know there are so many more things Christ did and said that are not written. Whats there is just enough for what we need now.
 
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I struggle often with the subject of forgiveness. I earnestly desire to forgive, say I forgive, but notice differently when taking notice of feelings.
outside of having God on my mind throughout the day and in thought praying and worshiping, before i go to bed i also will pray the Lord's Prayer. now here is a basic prayer of mine in my own version.

Father, Who art in Heaven.
Hallowed be Thy name!
Thy kingdom come and Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
[Please], give me this day my daily bread and Forgive me of my SINS as I FORGIVE those who sin against me.

-now, this is where i take serious time and try to remember anyone who either done me wrong that day or something i may have missed months, possibly years ago and i forgive them of whatever. i say this portion of the prayer and mean it literally as you would read the Lord's Prayer. i view it as your personal forgiveness is attached to forgiving others. and that has helped me to be serious about Forgiving Others.-

i've been doing this for some time now and i must confess. after forgiving people within the prayer's outline and setting, i have literally forgotten most of everything ever done wrong towards me (with exception to something that could have happened just a few hours ago, but eventually i will not remember that in time). once i forgive them it's like i forgot they ever did me wrong. So God has helped me to not hold on to these things and allow them to become stumbling blocks for me. He has just erased them from my memory and trust me that is a very peaceful way to live.

then of course, i recite the next words until i finish the Prayer.
 

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I understand all of this. My point was saying, "Your sins are forgiven." and "I forgive your sins" is not entirely the same thing. To suggest such, in my opinion, requires inference, and that leads to winds of doctrine. Does it not?
No. There is no difference between saying "you are free to go" if someone was wrongly arrested and "I am letting you go". Both statements are only valid if the speaker has the right to release someone. The people listening to Jesus knew that He was speaking with the authority of one who could, or at least claimed to, forgive sin. The western world revolves around "I". It is fundamentally egocentric. Lord Jesus is not at all egocentric. He often referred to Himself in the third person. That does not make His statements any less valid or in any way diminishes who He is and what He says.
 

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Father, Who art in Heaven.
Hallowed be Thy name!
Thy kingdom come and Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
[Please], give me this day my daily bread and Forgive me of my SINS as I FORGIVE those who sin against me.

Lord's Prayer
:)
 

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Did Jesus ever say I Forgive you?


He asked that those who crucified Him be forgiven...

Luke 23:34
“Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.”



We know that Jesus claimed to have power to forgive sins. That is why the Pharisees accused Him...

Matthew 9:6
“But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.”


1 John 1:9
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
 

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hmm I was pretty sure Peter knew it was wrong of him to deny Jesus and he had asked previously about forgiveness in Matthew 18:28...read further the parable Jesus told illustrating this

He didnt deny Jesus seven times though, it was just three, but still, it was wrong. Jesus didnt cast Peter into a prison or make him pay for the rest of his life though, instead he gave him a way to make amends
 
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An Update:
While rereading my initial post, I learned that the wording tends to sway the reader towards an unintended conclusion, and I would like to resolve that presently. My intention to suggest Jesus could not forgive sins was inadvertent. I was merely playing with words, which often become scrambled in people's memories, tricking them into saying he said/she said when neither actually did.

Yes, the Bible does suggest Jesus forgave sins and stresses He was given all power to forgive sins, but never stated verbatim, that He did, though it was eluded to.

On the other hand, I believe it would be a clear misjustice, and perhaps an untruth, to declare He did not say the phrase afore mention. We can only give proof that it was not recorded in what is known as The Bible. We must leave room for the unknown John was referring to with the verse that closes his book of the Gospels, John 21:25.

Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
 

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hmm I was pretty sure Peter knew it was wrong of him to deny Jesus and he had asked previously about forgiveness in Matthew 18:28...read further the parable Jesus told illustrating this
The question was: where does Peter ask Jesus to forgive him for his denials?

Not whether Peter knew it was wrong, or whether forgiveness had ever been discussed
previously, or at any other time for that matter, unrelated to this specific issue.
 
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The question was: where does Peter ask Jesus to forgive him for his denials?

Not whether Peter knew it was wrong, or whether forgiveness had ever been discussed
previously, or at any other time for that matter, unrelated to this specific issue.
He did not ask for forgiveness in that it was recorded. I am sure he did, but I find no proof.