Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

Never came to saving faith? Let's take a look at the context of the passages in question.

For if WE sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite (insult) unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(Heb 10:26-31 KJV)

It says, "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

So we see that he (the willful sinner) was sanctified; purged. And they have done despite unto the Spirit of Grace . And also it would fail us if we we did not note that the writer in verse 26 includes himself in the start of this admonition by his use through the Holy Spirit of the pronoun "we".

And lastly
(Heb 10:38 NET) But my righteous one will live by faith, and if he shrinks back, I take no pleasure in him.

Shrinks back (draws back) is in the third person singular. Which dictates that the "he" mentioned in relation to the shrinking back is the "the righteous one" (just) mentioned in the previous clause. Incidentally how does one shrink back from being something unless they are the something to begin with.




No.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For GOD has said, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.
(Rom 10:6-8; Eph 2:8-10; Heb 10:16)

Continue to try to save yourself. I am done trying to explain basic gospel principles to you. You have been here for years and still fail to see.. Maybe someone else can help you. I am exhausted trying. All I can do is turn you over to God

 

[lightbearer]

Um no..

The we are what it says, “those who believe unto the saving of the soul” IE, those who have TRUE FAITH

They are those who fall back to destruction of the soul. Ie those who NEVER CAME TO SAVING FAITH.

You think your good deeds will save you? You do not understand your situation. Because if you did. You would not even contemplate that that would be so.

Never came to saving faith? Let's take a look at the context of the passages in question.

For if WE sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite (insult) unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(Heb 10:26-31 KJV)

It says, "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

So we see that he (the willful sinner) was sanctified; purged. And they have done despite unto the Spirit of Grace . And also it would fail us if we we did not note that the writer in verse 26 includes himself in the start of this admonition by his use through the Holy Spirit of the pronoun "we".

And lastly
(Heb 10:38 NET) But my righteous one will live by faith, and if he shrinks back, I take no pleasure in him.

Shrinks back (draws back) is in the third person singular. Which dictates that the "he" mentioned in relation to the shrinking back is the "the righteous one" (just) mentioned in the previous clause. Incidentally how does one shrink back from being something unless they are the something to begin with.

You think your good deeds will save you? You do not understand your situation. Because if you did. You would not even contemplate that that would be so.

No.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For GOD has said, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.
(Rom 10:6-8; Eph 2:8-10; Heb 10:16)

Continue to try to save yourself. I am done trying to explain basic gospel principles to you. You have been here for years and still fail to see.. Maybe someone else can help you. I am exhausted trying. All I can do is turn you over to God

You can't Prove the points of the post in relation to Hebrews 10 wrong within the context of the passage, so you post this?
Are you even reading the posts you respond to?

 

[NayborBear]

In the same verses, Christ said that those individuals who are making this claim didn't know him, ie, did not have a relationship with him. I am not sure why you think these are true believers.




This is true, and the believer is dead to the law. It has no authority over him in regards to salvation. Read Rom 6:1-14.

However, "the law" is not talking necessarily about the Mosaic Law. It is talking about the moral law of God. The Mosaic Law included aspects which are not moral in nature. Those laws are no longer in effect for the believer.



You aren't acknowledging the union the believer has with Jesus and the power of the Spirit. Read Romans 7:1-6. It says clearly that the written code is no longer in effect, and that the Spirit leads the believer to acts of service and holiness.

I acknowledge that the Mosaic Law serves a purpose if one understands the spiritual intent. Judaizers don't understand the spiritual intent, and instead focus on the written code.



Firstly, I was making a joke. Secondly, do you believe that the Levirate Law is in effect?

By the way, the Levirate Law is not as simple as you claim. One of its intentions was likely to provide for the widow, but the most important aspect was to keep the land inheritance within the same tribe.



My comments don't infer otherwise. However, those involved in Judaizing focus on the letter rather than the spirit. And, they fail to acknowledge that the letter is not always about love. For instance, what about the divorce laws of Deut 24, which allowed a man to divorce his wife, contrary to the wishes of God, as an accomodation to their evil hearts? Have you read the Sermon on the Mount? Christ specifically indicated that Moses allowed divorce because their hearts were hard, and these accomodations were part of Torah..not a separate Oral Law.



God doesn't require separation from Gentiles through peculiar diets anymore. These were part of the "separation commandments" that separated Jews from Gentiles. The Church is a new humanity, one in Christ. Read Ephesians 2:13-15. The "separation commandments" concerning clean meats are no longer applicable.

Eating blood was likely associated with idolatry. Even if it wasn't, it was extremely offensive to the Jewish person and therefore the Gentile brother would not want to offend his Jewish brother in that manner. Jews were free to observe Torah if they wanted to, as long as they didn't infer it was a requirement for salvation.

However, this is way off my main point. My point is that "anomia" does not refer to breaking the Mosaic Law necessarily. There are elements of the Mosaic Law that are moral in nature and reflect a proper relationship between the man and fellow man, or God.

Let me ask you this though...this is more interesting:

1) what is the purpose of man?
2) what does it mean for man to be in the image of God?
3) how does the law relate to this?
4) how does Jesus relate to this?
5) what does it mean to be born again?
6) why is being born again necessary?
7) what is man's ultimate destiny?

Since you are an expert on the law, do you understand what it was meant for, and how this is ultimately accomplished?

I think, I can answer your questions with this reply.
You "should see", this life here in flesh, much like the life you lived in your mother's womb.
Do you remember what was going on with and within you as you were being formed?
So, it is with this life in flesh we live.
This is the why one should "store up treasures in Heaven." Where moths can't come in, and thieves rob and destroy etc. etc.

The problem with Christendom these days? They don't deny the divinity of Christ!
What they are doing? Is robbing GOD of HIS divinity, and, giving it TO THE HIGH PRIEST!
AND, THAT? Is just WRONG! BAD WRONG!
DELUSIONAL WRONG!
And? A LIE!

 

[mailmandan]

Never came to saving faith? Let's take a look at the context of the passages in question.

For if WE sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite (insult) unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(Heb 10:26-31 KJV)

It says, "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

So we see that he (the willful sinner) was sanctified; purged. And they have done despite unto the Spirit of Grace . And also it would fail us if we we did not note that the writer in verse 26 includes himself in the start of this admonition by his use through the Holy Spirit of the pronoun "we".

And lastly
(Heb 10:38 NET) But my righteous one will live by faith, and if he shrinks back, I take no pleasure in him.

Shrinks back (draws back) is in the third person singular. Which dictates that the "he" mentioned in relation to the shrinking back is the "the righteous one" (just) mentioned in the previous clause. Incidentally how does one shrink back from being something unless they are the something to begin with.

In Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). *You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.*

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as you teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14)

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but then renounces his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew Christian community of believers was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.

No.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For GOD has said, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.
(Rom 10:6-8; Eph 2:8-10; Heb 10:16)

Romans 10:5 - For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall live by them." 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' " (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, " 'Who will descend into the abyss?' " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."

As EG said. - "You have been here for years and still fail to see.. All he can do is turn you over to God."
*Only the Lord can open your eyes to the truth.*

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

I think, I can answer your questions with this reply.
You "should see", this life here in flesh, much like the life you lived in your mother's womb.
Do you remember what was going on with and within you as you were being formed?
So, it is with this life in flesh we live.
This is the why one should "store up treasures in Heaven." Where moths can't come in, and thieves rob and destroy etc. etc.

The problem with Christendom these days? They don't deny the divinity of Christ!
What they are doing? Is robbing GOD of HIS divinity, and, giving it TO THE HIGH PRIEST!
AND, THAT? Is just WRONG! BAD WRONG!
DELUSIONAL WRONG!
And? A LIE!

I'm not sure how to interpret your remarks. Perhaps you can help me understand.

I don't know anyone who denies that the Father is God (YHVH). I know some heretics who deny the deity of Christ.

I have talked with some Christians who feel that other Christians honor Christ over the Father. I remember one guy in particular. He was disgusted by Christians in his group that thanked Jesus for some blessing and insists that they were immature and should have been thanking the Father. I was part of a group at one point that hated how Christians honored Christ, and made it their continual habit to criticize and mock them for expressing adoration to Christ.

I don't draw lines like that because the Father is YHVH, the Son is YHVH and the Holy Spirit is YHVH. I am Trinitarian. As a default, though, I pray to the Father. This doesn't mean that one can't pray to Jesus, because Stephen addressed him during his martyrdom. It is impossible to separate the Triune God anyways. You can distinguish between the Persons, but there is only one God, YHVH, the Triune God.

By the way, the guy I mentioned earlier....I have some concerns that he may have been an Arian in practice, if not in belief. Maybe he would deny this concern, but I think his words betray a failure to honor the Son as the Father intends.

I would also note that within the Triune God, the Father exalts the Son, and the Son glorifies the Father. God is pleased when the Son receives honor too.

 

[gb9]

Continue to try to save yourself. I am done trying to explain basic gospel principles to you. You have been here for years and still fail to see.. Maybe someone else can help you. I am exhausted trying. All I can do is turn you over to God

honestly, I feel the same way about many of the judeaizers . they will not listen or try to understand what we are saying. ( we do understand what they are saying, at times better than they do!), because they try to interpet the New Covenant backward into the Old, instead of letting the New stand on it's on.

 

[Leastamongmany]

I thought I would give it a try but you seem to have a blind eye to what ever I write and just put your own thoughts in and it makes me very sad and hurt and I feel like you don't see me at all. I wonder if that is because I am a "She", it certainly feels like it now. If I had put down a mans name would you have treated me with some respect?

If you would go back and read what I quoted and wrote and how you replied to it, maybe it would open your eyes.

Until then, please respect me enough to not taking what I write and changing it to your own thoughts, and if that is not possible to responding to my posts at all, because whether you realize it or not, you don't get it.

I pray to God that you will hear this on a Spiritual level, and may you follow this request the way your father would want you to handle it. Thank you for your time.

They don't like not me not respect my post either Ann. It IS bc we are woman,they still have the " man's world,good ole boys mentality"! Can't stand to be upstage by a knowledgeable female!😀😀😀😀😀😀! Keep pressing on ,Sister! We got your back in prayer. God is at your six! Blessings!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). *You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.*

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as you teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14)

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but then renounces his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew Christian community of believers was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.

Romans 10:5 - For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall live by them." 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' " (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, " 'Who will descend into the abyss?' " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."

As EG said. - "You have been here for years and still fail to see.. All he can do is turn you over to God."
*Only the Lord can open your eyes to the truth.*

He can’t fathom it, and continues to think it will convince us.

I can’t do it any more with him

 

[eternally-gratefull]

honestly, I feel the same way about many of the judeaizers . they will not listen or try to understand what we are saying. ( we do understand what they are saying, at times better than they do!), because they try to interpet the New Covenant backward into the Old, instead of letting the New stand on it's on.

Scripture needs to be unified. Not twisted and in conflict wiht itself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They don't like not me not respect my post either Ann. It IS bc we are woman,they still have the " man's world,good ole boys mentality"! Can't stand to be upstage by a knowledgeable female!😀😀😀😀😀😀! Keep pressing on ,Sister! We got your back in prayer. God is at your six! Blessings!

This is a new tactic? Now we are against woman.You can not refut us with the word so you have to resort to these lies..

Lolol. You people will make any excuse to not see what you are doing.. I guess this is just the next one.

Do me a favor. Tell all the other wonderful females who are my sisters in christ how hatefull I am toward women, In fact, maybe you can report me to @CharliRenee who is a MOD. And she can set me straight for hating women.

 

[Yahshua]

i was asking a question. an accusation isn't a question; it's a declarative statement.

Paul wrote in scripture, many times, that by virtue of being a believer/Christian/saint/what-have-you, he is not under the law.
"the law" is obviously, Moses' law/Torah/Sinai covenant law

is that what you call "lawless" / antinomian? is there only one "law" ?

if you'd rather divorce the question from "the famous Paul" then if i said, "i am not under the law" -- would you call me lawless?

i asked a question, and i put a scripture that i hope should inform your answer.

And I was asking a question, Post, not accusing you. An accusation isn't a question; it's a declarative statement.

Often times, some of us like to create strawmen by forcing words into others' mouths in the form of "so are you saying...?" I thought this was what you were doing.

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When Paul says "under the law" he doesn't mean what we modern readers understand that to mean when reading the English. We're divorced (to use your word) from the culture about some 2000 years.

"Under the law" is a very specific idiom that means "under judgment", or "under condemnation", or "violation: sins need to be taken care of".

I've written on this in the thread below:
https://christianchat.com/threads/are-you-under-the-curse.186590/post-4000151

To save on space here you can read it there and then continue with my answer here.

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Now let's focus on 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (NIV)

Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.

20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.

21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.

22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

I used the NIV becuse it's important to see what's being said. First, notice how Paul distinguishes the different groups as examples:

- To the Jews

- To those under the law

- To those not having the law

- To the weak

Why did he separate "the Jews" from "those under the law" if they're supposed to be the same group? Was he just being poetic with his writing or was he making a distinction on purpose?

To know for sure, let's take the middle two groups. Notice what he says about himself for one group vs. what he says about himself for the other:

- (To those under the law) though I am not under the law

- (To those not having the law) though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law

...what's going on here?

So on the one hand he explains he's not "under the law", but on the other he explains he's "not free from God's law"...and both are statements of facts he's making.

Is Paul confused? No.

Under the law = in violation of it (needing justification; cleansing of sins)

Paul is not "under", in violation of, the law (i.e. still owing a payment for his sins) because his sins were paid for by faith in Christ. But Paul is not free from Yah's law, he must still obey it, and being under Christ he's capable.

All throughout Paul's ministry that was the accusation frequently made against him, that he was preaching against the law and teaching others to walk contrary to it. And every time he was falsely accused of this he either had to defend himself or perform a ritual within the law to prove he wasn't against it (like the nazarite vow); that it wasn't what he was preaching.

These instances are found in Acts.

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This beings me back to the initial post regarding "anomia" and your first reply.

I agree, the gospel is "not under law, but not lawless". But what that actually means is, "not in violation of the law anymore (i.e. cleansed by Christ; justified), but obedient to it".

If Paul preached against the law or made it a practice to walk contrary to it then yes he would be a worker of lawlessness, but he didn't. Notice what else he says in 1 Corinthians 9...

23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.

25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Notice what Paul is saying here. He's saying..

- he goes and appears weak to weak people, for a chance to preach the gospel

- he goes and appears like a gentile to gentiles (those never given the law), for a chance to preach the gospel

- he goes and appears like he's still in violation of the law to those who are still in violation, for a chance to preach the gospel

...and each of these are shots against him; they're temptations. So he makes sure to keep his body under control so as to not disqualify himself from the prize after preaching the gospel to them.

He's careful to rein in his flesh so as to not fall into sin when amongst these groups.

 

[Yahshua]

honestly, I feel the same way about many of the judeaizers . they will not listen or try to understand what we are saying. ( we do understand what they are saying, at times better than they do!), because they try to interpet the New Covenant backward into the Old, instead of letting the New stand on it's on.

There's that word again...

Can you share in a short sentence what the new covenant is? And then share in a short sentence what the old covenant is?

This may be the source of our differences.

 

[CharliRenee]

This is a new tactic? Now we are against woman.You can not refut us with the word so you have to resort to these lies..

Lolol. You people will make any excuse to not see what you are doing.. I guess this is just the next one.

Do me a favor. Tell all the other wonderful females who are my sisters in christ how hatefull I am toward women, In fact, maybe you can report me to @CharliRenee who is a MOD. And she can set me straight for hating women.

I know you do not hate women. You have been kind and patient with me, brother. Plus, I do not have reporting duties or authority. Just another member in that way. I love you both, because of the Love He has given me.

I wish I could bring harmony but my Lord has been reminding me that way of thinking is my own pride. I was in error, big time. I am not the Holy Spirit and so I will continue to seek harmony, but in the word, in prayer, and in Him, not mankind. I do not know the heart of any man or woman, only He does.

Love you all my brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[Leastamongmany]

I NEVER USED THE WORD....HATE! ....THIS ABILITY TO TAKE THINGS PPL WRITE IN PLAIN VIEW TO ....TWIST.....IS ASTOUNDING. JUST ANYTHING TO MAKE A COMMENT ON. YOU FOLKS ARE SO FOOLISH!

 

[Leastamongmany]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know you do not hate women. You have been kind and patient with me, brother. Plus, I do not have reporting duties or authority. Just another member in that way. I love you both, because of the Love He has given me.

I wish I could bring harmony but my Lord has been reminding me that way of thinking is my own pride. I was in error, big time. I am not the Holy Spirit and so I will continue to seek harmony, but in the word, in prayer, and in Him, not mankind. I do not know the heart of any man or woman, only He does.

Love you all my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I know sis, I just used you as an example/

What I wish though is CC would do something about people who use these tactics.. I mean,, does it help them to see what others believe? Does it help others to see their point of view? There is nothing that type of tactic can be used except to boast oneself up. And it gives this site and christianity as a whole a bad name

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I NEVER USED THE WORD....HATE! ....THIS ABILITY TO TAKE THINGS PPL WRITE IN PLAIN VIEW TO ....TWIST.....IS ASTOUNDING. JUST ANYTHING TO MAKE A COMMENT ON. YOU FOLKS ARE SO FOOLISH!

They don't like not me not respect my post either Ann. It IS bc we are woman,they still have the " man's world,good ole boys mentality"! Can't stand to be upstage by a knowledgeable female!😀😀😀😀😀😀! Keep pressing on ,Sister! We got your back in prayer. God is at your six! Blessings!

This is what I mean

1. She said we do not like her (not true)

2. The opposite of like is HATE (if I do not like a person I must hate them)

3 Now she denies what she said to begin with.

This is real christian like.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

You have serious issues. I pray the HS will help you

 

[CharliRenee]

I don't know what to say without fueling the flame. I am reading and I understand you are frustrated. I want you to know, brother, I am lifting cc and all its members and all my brothers and sisters in prayer, truly, hoping to encourage the believers and reach the lost.

Love to you and yours, in Christ.

 

[Grandpa]

There's that word again...

Can you share in a short sentence what the new covenant is? And then share in a short sentence what the old covenant is?

This may be the source of our differences.

New Covenant - Faith in Christ, Giving of the Holy Spirit, Revelation in the Knowledge of Christ.

Old Covenant - Blessed or Cursed by working at the law (10 commandments + all the statutes and ordinances that went along with them)

A judaizer is a person who takes their focus off Christ and puts it on their effort at the law in some way.