Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Yes. On the one hand I almost agree with the intent of the OP...
But on the other hand I don't quite agree that the Lord Jesus and Paul taught different things.
They just focused on different things in their "ministry"...
The people that the Lord Jesus were talking to were still under the law of Moses, the Old Covenant.
It was only after the Lord was crucified and Resurrected that the New Covenant was "installed".
That's why I showed Matthew 11:28-30 and paralleled with Galatians 3:24-25 to show they were saying the same things, NOT a different Gospel.
But on the other hand I don't quite agree that the Lord Jesus and Paul taught different things.
They just focused on different things in their "ministry"...
The people that the Lord Jesus were talking to were still under the law of Moses, the Old Covenant.
It was only after the Lord was crucified and Resurrected that the New Covenant was "installed".
That's why I showed Matthew 11:28-30 and paralleled with Galatians 3:24-25 to show they were saying the same things, NOT a different Gospel.
It`s like the 2 gospel vs 1 gospel argument. It`s splitting hairs. Along with another guy who helped, we put up some things about what Jesus taught last night in the Galatians Conundrums thread if you`re interested. I don`t feel like putting it up again today 
I`ll mention this though because it hasn`t come up yet.
Hebrews 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
According to Hebrews 8, which is quoting Old Testament prophecy here, The New Covenant is a covenant with the nation of Israel and it won`t be implemented until Christ returns (see verse 11) so the New Covenant isn`t implemented yet. The Bible does declare believers to be ministers of the New Testament which is the gospel.
My apologies to whosoever has doctrine that this Bible truth destroys.
I`ll mention this though because it hasn`t come up yet.
Hebrews 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
According to Hebrews 8, which is quoting Old Testament prophecy here, The New Covenant is a covenant with the nation of Israel and it won`t be implemented until Christ returns (see verse 11) so the New Covenant isn`t implemented yet. The Bible does declare believers to be ministers of the New Testament which is the gospel.
My apologies to whosoever has doctrine that this Bible truth destroys.
It`s like the 2 gospel vs 1 gospel argument. It`s splitting hairs. Along with another guy who helped, we put up some things about what Jesus taught last night in the Galatians Conundrums thread if you`re interested. I don`t feel like putting it up again today
I`ll mention this though because it hasn`t come up yet.
Hebrews 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
According to Hebrews 8, which is quoting Old Testament prophecy here, The New Covenant is a covenant with the nation of Israel and it won`t be implemented until Christ returns (see verse 11) so the New Covenant isn`t implemented yet. The Bible does declare believers to be ministers of the New Testament which is the gospel.
My apologies to whosoever has doctrine that this Bible truth destroys.
I`ll mention this though because it hasn`t come up yet.
Hebrews 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
According to Hebrews 8, which is quoting Old Testament prophecy here, The New Covenant is a covenant with the nation of Israel and it won`t be implemented until Christ returns (see verse 11) so the New Covenant isn`t implemented yet. The Bible does declare believers to be ministers of the New Testament which is the gospel.
My apologies to whosoever has doctrine that this Bible truth destroys.
But in the end, you can't give someone else the faith that has been given you. You can only show them the faith that you have...
To me, all it is is EXCUSES to reject Christ and go back to working at the law. But I'm sure it is much more than that. Strongholds that only come down in Christ...
Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
I can't make you see this but at least you know I'm not making it up...
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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There are sometimes when compassion within a given situation, or scenario, can give one the "sense" of "chickening out."
I've experienced the same thing myself! Through the years however, I've "discovered", that this is how our Father implements, for lack of a better way of explaining it, His "wit-sec" (witness security) program. Or? Can be referred to as "Rem-Sec" (remnant security). In a "kinda" "bloom where you are planted" type of way, whereas, we, being good "tillers of the soil" that we are, and do, don't allow for the "tares" that are all around us, and within us STOP us from "pressing on" to the High Calling of God, in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior, and "advancing" UNTO our Father, as we are confessed by Christ to He, who SENT Jesus Christ!
Which as I'm sure you have noticed, many of our "constituents(?)" just don't seem, or have the capacity of "getting it!"
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
This is what happens when one leaves "Babylon" (confusion).
Oh! My apologies, for my lack of "netiquette", in not welcoming you here to CC. And condolences)), for finding your way onto this thread.
( FWIW? kinda like the local knife and gun club.....if you haven't got one with ya? It's best to not come in.)
1 John 4
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
I've experienced the same thing myself! Through the years however, I've "discovered", that this is how our Father implements, for lack of a better way of explaining it, His "wit-sec" (witness security) program. Or? Can be referred to as "Rem-Sec" (remnant security). In a "kinda" "bloom where you are planted" type of way, whereas, we, being good "tillers of the soil" that we are, and do, don't allow for the "tares" that are all around us, and within us STOP us from "pressing on" to the High Calling of God, in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior, and "advancing" UNTO our Father, as we are confessed by Christ to He, who SENT Jesus Christ!
Which as I'm sure you have noticed, many of our "constituents(?)" just don't seem, or have the capacity of "getting it!"
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
This is what happens when one leaves "Babylon" (confusion).
Oh! My apologies, for my lack of "netiquette", in not welcoming you here to CC. And condolences
)), for finding your way onto this thread. ( FWIW? kinda like the local knife and gun club.....if you haven't got one with ya? It's best to not come in.
)1 John 4
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
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I can only speak concerning myself, EG.
I can not only tell you what I'm "hiding."
I can tell you "where" I'm hiding! Which is why you don't understand, neither what I say, and have been saying, to you and others, but also, why I'm saying it.
As to "what" I'm "hiding", is the end of this current earth and heaven age! This means the end of THIS "everlasting!"
As to "where" I am hiding? Is in the Father, as well as in the Kingdom of Heaven.
As to the "why" I'm hiding there?
Is to keep modern day scribes and pharasees, such as yourself, and others, who have been deluded into believing they are saved eternally? From killing a fellow "brother in the Priesthood" after the order of Melchizedek, as y'all kilt Jesus Christ of Nazareth!
But Please! Keep believing your "surfacy" interpretations of scripture! So that the finiteness of your minds, grinds against the word of God in your hearts and spirits, to fit your "surfacy interpretations" and traditions of men, in your "stablishing the law!" WHAT LAW? The "perfect law of love?"
By the way? How's that working out for y'all?
He referenced what the law says about the Sabbath regarding sin. But he never specifically told anyone here to obey it or not...but those words are being attributed TO him. "Put in his mouth".
Feelings of conviction within one is being projected ONTO him.
...and this is often the problem here...most so called "law-keepers" here have never told anyone here to do anything. They've simply repeated what the law or the scripture says.
The Holy Spirit alone convicts. If one confesses to have the Holy Spirit, then evidence/proof of that is one will be convicted of sin, because that's the Holy Spirit's main job. That's what He does, guides us into all truth and Righteousness.
Now important note: conviction =/= condemnation. Again, conviction is NOT condemnation. There is no condemnation for those in Christ but the Holy Spirit convicts because that's how we are matured and perfected.
...Until we achieve the perfect image of Christ.
Feelings of conviction within one is being projected ONTO him.
...and this is often the problem here...most so called "law-keepers" here have never told anyone here to do anything. They've simply repeated what the law or the scripture says.
The Holy Spirit alone convicts. If one confesses to have the Holy Spirit, then evidence/proof of that is one will be convicted of sin, because that's the Holy Spirit's main job. That's what He does, guides us into all truth and Righteousness.
Now important note: conviction =/= condemnation. Again, conviction is NOT condemnation. There is no condemnation for those in Christ but the Holy Spirit convicts because that's how we are matured and perfected.
...Until we achieve the perfect image of Christ.
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You are battling many in here yes!
But, not all!
As far as being a fast typer? I was out of town several days, and upon my return? I find I'm 20 some "pages" behind the ongoing fast paced current page!
(page 330 out of 350 currently......)
But, not all!
As far as being a fast typer? I was out of town several days, and upon my return? I find I'm 20 some "pages" behind the ongoing fast paced current page!
(page 330 out of 350 currently......
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Hey RS,
I think it is important to consider who you are speaking to. If you go outside the topics of Grace and OSAS the spirits that guide their hearts and minds get real snippy as if you are trying to free their slaves. That is a real problem! If they have agreed with these deceiving spirits, then unless they ask to be freed, you will never have the authority to free them! And, in an odd, metaphysical, spiritual sense there are rules that govern these matters. Rules that God Himself honors as a matter of free will. If someone willingly agrees to be deceived because it is more carnally satisfying to engage in slander and lawlessness then they "belong to another". While you walk in the light, there are limits to who you have the authority to free. Pray about it this is Eph 6:12 stuff we are dealing with.
Bless YHWH! Know and Keep
SG
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