Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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NayborBear

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Never said that.

Also why do you guys keep on cutting the word quotes out of my replies? Is the word not allowed?

This is what I said and posted;

"But at the same time if we are Spirit led we will walk in God's law.

Ezekiel 36:26-27, " 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” "
Once you understand that these people, having believed a "strong delusion", have "embraced the lie", so it really REALLY offends them, when they are unable in subduing/oppressing/belittling/mocking/scoffing, and calling that which you believe every blessed (;)) name in the book?
It makes for more sadness, when witnessing against them.
It also makes for little wonder why Jesus said there would be "many in that day", He'll turn away!

They are under the impression that we still need Jesus!

As to there actually being 2 Jesus's? What "jesus" would tell ANYONE "there is no need to follow, or work at the 10 commandments?" :unsure: Or any of the other commandments included in Mosaic law?

INSTEAD? Simply love jesus, love jesus, love jesus, and get every neighbor you can to love jesus, love jesus, love jesus, and I'll put y'all to task in justfying yourselves through vain and profane pursuits!
O.T. law? Even the O.T. itself? OBSOLETE! Don't need it! Heck! Really don't even know why it's there at all, NOW THAT YOU HAVE ME! sez the spirit of anti christ!

So, ya see, it's as much a witness against the spirit of anti christ, in the letting it be known, especially to others, as these ones believe its lies, can nothing be done for 'em.

Of course they'll laugh and laugh, in that bottomless blinding pit they call love.

But, it's only funny to them! And their jesus!

To me? It's sad!

 

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“You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God."
Becasue the entire purpose is in the word, right after talking about the blessings and curses of the law:
Deuteronomy 30:1-6, " 1 “And when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the LORD your God has driven you, 2 and return to the LORD your God, you and your children, and obey his voice in all that I command you today, with all your heart and with all your soul, 3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has scattered you. 4 If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. 5 And the LORD your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.
6 And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live."
Just like baptisim it is and outward sign of an inward chage. If there is no inward chage it is useless.
3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has scattered you. 4 If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. 5 And the LORD your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.

... you think all THAT ^ speaks of [to/for/about] "the Church which is His body"?? (i.e. happening "in this present age [singular]"?)


If you do, I disagree.
 
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Romans 10:2-4
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Faith in Christ establishes the law.

Working at the law is NOT FAITH.

Establishing the law by faith in Christ does NOT require working on our part. What is required is resting in Christ. Trusting in Christ. Becoming His Workmanship and not your own.
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All Israel Will Be Saved
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. Romans 11:25-32

Have you ever heard of the body of Christ? Why did God say that "on this rock I will build my church?(Matthew 16:18)
Did God build the church without a purpose?

For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:10

It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. Ephesians 4:11-16

...so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
1 Corinthians 12:25-27

There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of WORKING, but the same God works all of them in all men. 1 Corinthians 12:4-6

...“Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:16-30

for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:14

WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:2-3

This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
1 John 3:11

The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen
 

DeighAnn

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Please for the love of all that is holy

Tell me why does Paul say circumcision is nothing but keeping the commandments of God IF "THE LAW OF MOSES" as you make it sound, is written into their hearts?
Circumcision is a law in the Torah, yet we are explicitly told its not required and we should even shun it as Gentile believers in Christ and should remain uncircumcised if called in that state, Paul says. WHY is that, if the Torah is written in our hearts? Clearly Paul means something else by commandments of God than Torah, MY SUGGESTION: The commandments of Jesus
Circumcision, like all "blood" laws were fulfilled by Christ on the cross. Therefore there is no more blood sacrifice. Why is the law written on our hearts and mind? So that we follow them in love and deed. That is the spirit of the law.
 
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Well lets see, even james said that if you keep the whole law yet stumble in one point your guilty of all

No one can keep Gods standard of the law. So no, i do not agree with you, if we think we can keep the law, we do not need christ. Thats why isreal crucified him and rejected him and even after that said yay, we now have grace, but we have to add law also (which is what paul fought most of his christian life

Faith in christ establishes what the law tells, we are guilty, and with out hope, even the laws answer (the levitical preisthood) could not over come that problem, which is why christ came,

Faith points to christ, that is how the law is established,



You uphold the law by recieving christ through faith. and then, after yur saved, living out that faith, which is called works, or producing fruit.

One who never does any work just proves his faith was dead, can a dead faith save? James says no, as did paul they just spoke to two different groups,



Amen

So don’t look to the law, look to who you can serve and love, this is what jesus did, you can do it too, as can I,

But we should never be so proud we think we are perfect, if we say we have no sin, we are deceived.

Where do we go when we sin, to the law in fear, or to our abba knowing he loves us?
Have you ever heard of the body of Christ? Why did God say that "on this rock I will build my church?(Matthew 16:18)
Did God build the church without a purpose?

For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:10

It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. Ephesians 4:11-16

...so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
1 Corinthians 12:25-27

There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of WORKING, but the same God works all of them in all men. 1 Corinthians 12:4-6

...“Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:16-30

for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:14

WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:2-3

This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
1 John 3:11

And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6

"Knowledge puffs up but LOVE builds up."

The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’” Luke 17:10

The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen
 

Hevosmies

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Circumcision, like all "blood" laws were fulfilled by Christ on the cross. Therefore there is no more blood sacrifice.
Sounds great. Are there any verses for that? That all "blood" laws were fulfilled by Christ on the cross?
 

DeighAnn

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Where have I heard that before?

See the works of the law make nobody righteous whatsoever. AMEN. By grace through faith.

Fine print: Oh btw uhh, I forgot to preach it from the pulpit i'll whisper it to you now, so yeah you remember how I said that law dont make it righteous? well thats still almost true because its only that if you DONT keep the law it just means you arent really saved. you arent saved by works of the law, but if you dont do it you arent saved, simple right? by grace through faith.
Why did the law come in? So we would know what was a sin and what wasn't a sin (among the other things I am not listing here). How do you know whos "spirit" you are walking in if you don't know anything? How do you know when to repent "for your sins" if you don't know what a sin is? If sin is transgression of the law and the law brings us to Christ for forgiveness, how do you know when to ask for forgiveness? If all the knowledge of God is given by some "miracle", then EVERYONE who has received the spirit they WOULD all BE THE EXACT SAME. There would be no need for a bible would there? Do you ever have to reference it? If the spirit gave it all to you you wouldn't need to would you??
 

DeighAnn

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Sounds great. Are there any verses for that? That all "blood" laws were fulfilled by Christ on the cross?
All blood sacrifice was from the "law of Moses", that ended with John the Baptist.
 

DeighAnn

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Well lets see, even james said that if you keep the whole law yet stumble in one point your guilty of all
But isn't that the beauty of the Blood of Christ? Repent for that "breaking of the law" and through the infinite value of His blood we are only to repent, and we are FORGIVEN. Something the "law of Moses" couldn't do. One of the reasons a New Covenant was brought about for us. We are no longer "bound" to sin. There is no more ministration of death. He took away that heavy burden and bondage to sin and death. It is no longer a "death" sentence. Coming to Christ gives us life.
 

DeighAnn

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No one can keep Gods standard of the law. So no, i do not agree with you, if we think we can keep the law, we do not need christ. Thats why isreal crucified him and rejected him and even after that said yay, we now have grace, but we have to add law also (which is what paul fought most of his christian life
It is because we can not follow the law perfectly that we need Christ. Repent, for the kingdom of God is near. Gone are all the rituals, blood shed of animals, priestly duties, we now, from our hearts and minds can go to God ourselves through His Blood.
 

DeighAnn

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Faith in christ establishes what the law tells, we are guilty, and with out hope, even the laws answer (the levitical preisthood) could not over come that problem, which is why christ came,
Faith in Christ allows us to be the sinners we are without the condemnation of the law. Forgiveness is ours for the asking. We are made "perfect" once again before God when we repent. We can be made perfect because of His Blood that was shed for us that washes us clean when we do "break the laws of God" His blood being perfect, makes that all possible. And because of that repentance, that change of the inner man, we hopefully won't do that sin again. But there is the fight with the flesh so we must crucify the flesh daily and walk in the Spirit. The spirit taking control over the "sins of the flesh". Sanctified in our walk to become more "Christlike" before God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Have you ever heard of the body of Christ? Why did God say that "on this rock I will build my church?(Matthew 16:18)
Did God build the church without a purpose?

For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:10

It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. Ephesians 4:11-16

...so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
1 Corinthians 12:25-27

There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of WORKING, but the same God works all of them in all men. 1 Corinthians 12:4-6

...“Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:16-30

for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:14

WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:2-3

This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
1 John 3:11

And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6

"Knowledge puffs up but LOVE builds up."

The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’” Luke 17:10

The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen
Yep

And they are not bound by law, the law led them to christ as a schoolmaster, which is why hey are par of the body

Gods people keep his commands why?

B cause they follow the law of love, not the law of moses

We agree, gods people obey him

We disagree how or by what power
 
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eternally-gratefull

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But isn't that the beauty of the Blood of Christ? Repent for that "breaking of the law" and through the infinite value of His blood we are only to repent, and we are FORGIVEN. Something the "law of Moses" couldn't do. One of the reasons a New Covenant was brought about for us. We are no longer "bound" to sin. There is no more ministration of death. He took away that heavy burden and bondage to sin and death. It is no longer a "death" sentence. Coming to Christ gives us life.
Yes,

So lets stop trying to work, and learn to love, would you agree?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It is because we can not follow the law perfectly that we need Christ. Repent, for the kingdom of God is near. Gone are all the rituals, blood shed of animals, priestly duties, we now, from our hearts and minds can go to God ourselves through His Blood.
Gone is everything

The law was given to prove our need

Now that we have it, lets learn how to be like him.
 
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Faith in Christ allows us to be the sinners we are without the condemnation of the law. Forgiveness is ours for the asking. We are made "perfect" once again before God when we repent. We can be made perfect because of His Blood that was shed for us that washes us clean when we do "break the laws of God" His blood being perfect, makes that all possible. And because of that repentance, that change of the inner man, we hopefully won't do that sin again. But there is the fight with the flesh so we must crucify the flesh daily and walk in the Spirit. The spirit taking control over the "sins of the flesh". Sanctified in our walk to become more "Christlike" before God.
Amen

And how do we do this?
 

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Circumcision, like all "blood" laws were fulfilled by Christ on the cross. Therefore there is no more blood sacrifice. Why is the law written on our hearts and mind? So that we follow them in love and deed. That is the spirit of the law.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Was the Lord Jesus mis-speaking here?

The gospel according to Deighann is contradicting Christ. Its ok though. All your legalist and Judaizer buddies do it too.

Some of them even know they do it. Others do not.
 
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Well lets see, even james said that if you keep the whole law yet stumble in one point your guilty of all

No one can keep Gods standard of the law. So no, i do not agree with you, if we think we can keep the law, we do not need christ. Thats why isreal crucified him and rejected him and even after that said yay, we now have grace, but we have to add law also (which is what paul fought most of his christian life

Faith in christ establishes what the law tells, we are guilty, and with out hope, even the laws answer (the levitical preisthood) could not over come that problem, which is why christ came,

Faith points to christ, that is how the law is established,



You uphold the law by recieving christ through faith. and then, after yur saved, living out that faith, which is called works, or producing fruit.

One who never does any work just proves his faith was dead, can a dead faith save? James says no, as did paul they just spoke to two different groups,



Amen

So don’t look to the law, look to who you can serve and love, this is what jesus did, you can do it too, as can I,

But we should never be so proud we think we are perfect, if we say we have no sin, we are deceived.

Where do we go when we sin, to the law in fear, or to our abba knowing he loves us?
Yep

And they are not bound by law, the law led them to christ as a schoolmaster, which is why hey are par of the body

Gods people keep his commands why?

B cause they follow the law of love, not the law of moses

We agree, gods people obey him

We disagree how or by what power
Amen.

So God's people keep His commands and obey Him. Praise God!

I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done— Romans 15:18

Here's just a couple of what Paul said including the work of obedience part that goes together with faith in everything Paul have said and done and which some have tried to separate which caused division producing around 33,000 denominations around the world according to World Christian Encyclopedia (WCE)

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:8-10

...he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
Titus 3:5-8

The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen

Thanks and God bless.
 

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Sounds great. Are there any verses for that? That all "blood" laws were fulfilled by Christ on the cross?
You never read this? I think it`s plain enough what she meant.

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.