Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

Here's what my post would look like without the quoted scriptures. May i ask you to point out where in these words have i slandered you?

God is LOVE. 1 John 4:8-16

Without LOVE you are nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:1-13

If God is LOVE that dwells in our hearts, (John 14:20-24) is He not the one Lawgiver and Judge?

Standard?

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on/in their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

GOD IS good and His LOVE endures forever. Amen

Whatever

Your trying o tell me I need to do those things and I need to believe them,

I DO!!

Thats your issue YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM SAYING.

Here is the fact

SHE said she obeys the ten commands

YET then SHE says she still sins, and does not always keep them

THOSE ARE CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS

I am Not, nor have I EVER said it us ok to sin, We do not have to be obedient, we can sit on our shins and slack all we want. We do not need to grow.

Those are your lies against me, not my words. ,

Yet, here was have people saying they do obey the ten, yet say they DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY according to GODS STANDARD (break one your guilty of all)

who here is excusing sin?

Not me my friend.

 

[wokinluv]

Whatever

Your trying o tell me I need to do those things and I need to believe them,

I DO!!

Thats your issue YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM SAYING.

Here is the fact

SHE said she obeys the ten commands

YET then SHE says she still sins, and does not always keep them

THOSE ARE CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS

I am Not, nor have I EVER said it us ok to sin, We do not have to be obedient, we can sit on our shins and slack all we want. We do not need to grow.

Those are your lies against me, not my words. ,

Yet, here was have people saying they do obey the ten, yet say they DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY according to GODS STANDARD (break one your guilty of all)

who here is excusing sin?

Not me my friend.

Just a clarification.

Do you not say that no one can keep the law? Does that promote obedience to God? Does your faith uphold/establish the law by saying that faith alone saves? Is it not written that even if you have a faith that could move mountains but have no love, you are nothing? Is it not written that love is to walk in obedience to God and that if you love Him, you have to obey His commands and WALK in love?

Do you love Him? Then do what He says.

“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46

What did Jesus say?

“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” Matthew 19:17-19

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Matthew 19:26

and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:20

Are we to walk as Jesus did? Can we?

During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him. Hebrews 5:7-9

To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 1 Peter 2:21

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
John 14:12

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
Romans 2:14-15

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on/in their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in LOVE.

GOD IS good and His LOVE endures forever. Amen.

 

[DeighAnn]

Jesus came BECAUSE they (we) could not follow the law

Because they were not gifted the Holy Spirit.

 

[gb9]

Because they were not gifted the Holy Spirit.

if one has the Holy Sprit, then one will manifest the Fruits of the Sprit. ( one of which is NOT Sabbath keeping).

now, of course , if one is manifesting these, the they are not breaking any Law. ( against such there is no Law).

so, thank you for finally for ( even though accidentally ) admitting that a gentile Christ follower does NOT have to keep the Jewish Sabbath .

 

[NayborBear]

Day sir.

Your snarky, unchristlike comments. And constant lies about peoples beliefs are over with as far as I am concerned

Good luck on judgment day. I just pray you have found true faith before then.

You should pay careful attention to verses 13 & 14. It may well help you, friend.
Psalm 103 (KJV)
Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear/revere him.
13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.
14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.
20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.


21 Bless ye the Lord, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.

 

[gb9]

You should pay careful attention to verses 13 & 14. It may well help you, friend.
Psalm 103 (KJV)
Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear/revere him.
13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.
14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.
20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.


21 Bless ye the Lord, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.

v.18 " to keep such His Covenant"

what covenant? the Covenant made with Israel at Sinai, through Moses.

who was under that Covenant. ( covenants have to be entered into by both parties, with penalties for breaking the covenant)??

according to Leviticus 26, the Covenant was made with " the fathers of those who came out of Egypt"

so, unless you can trace your ancestry back to those who came out of Egypt, then you were under that covenant, and were never commanded to keep the Law and Sabbath.

 

[NayborBear]

v.18 " to keep such His Covenant"

what covenant? the Covenant made with Israel at Sinai, through Moses.

who was under that Covenant. ( covenants have to be entered into by both parties, with penalties for breaking the covenant)??

according to Leviticus 26, the Covenant was made with " the fathers of those who came out of Egypt"

so, unless you can trace your ancestry back to those who came out of Egypt, then you were under that covenant, and were never commanded to keep the Law and Sabbath.

Luke 8
14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

 

[DeighAnn]

who here is excusing sin?

So you want me to say I don't keep the 10 commandments, because I don't PERFECTLY, 100% of the time?

How do you suggest I phrase it, so this thought comes across perfectly clear

My intentions are to 100% follow them 100% of the time, but I mess up once in a while, repent, ask to be forgiven, have that sin erased and blotted out and are back to following them 100%

 

[DeighAnn]

Yet, here was have people saying they do obey the ten, yet say they DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY according to GODS STANDARD (break one your guilty of all)

What effect does the Blood of the Lamb have upon this? Does that Blood when called upon, put you back in Gods Standard?

 

[DeighAnn]

I keep my pool full of water. Sometimes some evaporates. If someone asks me if I keep my pool full of water should I answer

NO, I do not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you want me to say I don't keep the 10 commandments, because I don't PERFECTLY, 100% of the time?

yes because this is what god says, if you break one your guilty of all

otherwise your just deceiving yourself

How do you suggest I phrase it, so this thought comes across perfectly clear

My intentions are to 100% follow them 100% of the time, but I mess up once in a while, repent, ask to be forgiven, have that sin erased and blotted out and are back to following them 100%

stop looking at them, and start looking to god, do this, and by practice you will not break them

this is the message paul spent most of his life trying to get across

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What effect does the Blood of the Lamb have upon this? Does that Blood when called upon, put you back in Gods Standard?

The blood SAVES you by redeeming your sin. by justifying you of your sin, by making amends for your sin.

so you can stop trying to work, and start to trust god to work in you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just a clarification.

Do you not say that no one can keep the law? Does that promote obedience to God? Does your faith uphold/establish the law by saying that faith alone saves? Is it not written that even if you have a faith that could move mountains but have no love, you are nothing? Is it not written that love is to walk in obedience to God and that if you love Him, you have to obey His commands and WALK in love?

Do you love Him? Then do what He says.

“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46

What did Jesus say?

“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” Matthew 19:17-19

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Matthew 19:26

and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:20

Are we to walk as Jesus did? Can we?

During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him. Hebrews 5:7-9

To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 1 Peter 2:21

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
John 14:12

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
Romans 2:14-15

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on/in their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in LOVE.

GOD IS good and His LOVE endures forever. Amen.

Lets put it this way

if you say you obey the law and you don’t

1. your watering down the law to your standard
2.your excusing your own sin
3. you become self righteous, and very judgmental, pointing to people who commit the big sins, so you look ok (i am not like them)
4. To focused on self, and how good you are instead of focused on god and others and what he wants you to do
5. misrepresent the commands, because as Jesus said, you can obey by the letter, yet still break the command ( because the command does not tell you how to keep it or every possible means of breaking it)

I know, been there done that, seen it in others, see it all over the bible

what it will never do is make you like Paul, like peter, like christ

because they focused on what was ahead and who they needed to,serve, not on command keeping. That is what the pharisee did.

you screa, we excuse our sin, you have it backwards, I admit my sin and confess it, and move on.i do not excuse it by saying I keep something I can. It keep lying to myself

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I keep my pool full of water. Sometimes some evaporates. If someone asks me if I keep my pool full of water should I answer

NO, I do not?

if this is directed to me,

This just shows again you have no idea what i am asking or saying

 

[gb9]

Luke 8
14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

what a surprise.

another judeaizer refuses to discuss one of the many verses that wreck their theology.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

what a surprise.

another judeaizer refuses to discuss one of the many verses that wreck their theology.

Par for the course, then they scream at you..

 

[DeighAnn]

yes because this is what god says, if you break one your guilty of all

otherwise your just deceiving yourself


stop looking at them, and start looking to god, do this, and by practice you will not break them

this is the message paul spent most of his life trying to get across

Don't think of me personally and my journey, I am trying to "communicate" to those who "process" differently, how to say things in ways that they hear the "message I am trying to convey", without coming across as offending and accusing.

I look TO God in and through THE Word. Not through my thoughts but IN HIS WORDS, found IN the letter He sent to me. I don't know what you mean by "stop looking at them" and start looking to God, because "them" are/is God.

Because I am not under the law, I am not judged by the law, I have no guilt under the law, I have nothing that "under the law" as applicable to me.

I am under Grace and forgiveness

so that "being guilty of breaking one or all"

or as I put it "sinning" "messing up"

is ALL RESOLVED through the Blood of Christ, the law resolves nothing at all.

So yes, IF I WERE UNDER THE LAW, I would have to follow it perfectly

BUT UNDER GRACE, I HAVE TO FOLLOW IT PERFECTLY, OR FIND FORGIVENESS through Christ. And having BELIEF AND FAITH in the infinite value of the BLood of Christ, I know that "messing up, or sin, or break one break them all" how ever it is phrased,

ALL IS FORGIVEN and I am ONCE AGAIN "KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS"

Now if that is not "looking to God" I don't know what is.

Please explain the process you go through. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T I CAN ONLY GUESS, AND SO FAR MY GUESSES ARE INCORRECT. WHICH MAKES YOU "UNHAPPY". IT ISN'T A SECRET IS IT? But it feels like one. I don't know if you have done it a million times and don't want to anymore but if you have PLEase give me a post number and I will go and read it.
YOU KEEP TELLING ME WHAT I HAVE WRONG BUT YOU WONT TELL ME WHAT IS "RIGHT" TO YOU. That is all I am asking so that we might end this division and confusion and find the unity.

Look to God means.....
Repentance means.....
Sin means....
confess means....
keep my commandments mean....
rest means....
labor means.....

I do understand that when you walk in the love of God, and love the brethren, you most naturally, being led by the spirit, will follow these laws/commands and you do not need to say "thou shalt not kill". But you must admit, you have "gone looking for the ways of God" in His Word yourself. Everyone here has.

The ways of God are found in the Word, as the ways of walking like Christ are accomplished by taking that wisdom (mind) to heart, and having the heart (love) lead the walk to God. Would you agree?

 

[NayborBear]

Lets put it this way

if you say you obey the law and you don’t

1. your watering down the law to your standard
2.your excusing your own sin
3. you become self righteous, and very judgmental, pointing to people who commit the big sins, so you look ok (i am not like them)
4. To focused on self, and how good you are instead of focused on god and others and what he wants you to do
5. misrepresent the commands, because as Jesus said, you can obey by the letter, yet still break the command ( because the command does not tell you how to keep it or every possible means of breaking it)

I know, been there done that, seen it in others, see it all over the bible

what it will never do is make you like Paul, like peter, like christ

because they focused on what was ahead and who they needed to,serve, not on command keeping. That is what the pharisee did.

you screa, we excuse our sin, you have it backwards, I admit my sin and confess it, and move on.i do not excuse it by saying I keep something I can. It keep lying to myself

You and gb9, are so mixed up?
Y'all don't even know what yer saying.
What's worse?
Ya don't care that ya don't know what yer sayin'.

But, y'all play a good role as "the accuser of the brethern."

Speaking words? Sure! LOTS of words!
But, with the knowledge of "milk fed baby's!"
It's not an easy thing to be weaned off milk, and onto meat!
I hear ya say "yeah!" "been there....done that"
I don't see it though.
It's like yer still there, doin' that.

 

[DeighAnn]

The blood SAVES you by redeeming your sin. by justifying you of your sin, by making amends for your sin.

so you can stop trying to work, and start to trust god to work in you

How does the blood redeem your sins? I understand we are all washed clean of all our past sins through
Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

but how do you deal with the sins from that point forward? And what are the sins?

If God is working "in you" through "your works", can any man discern whether the intent is for self or for God? Isn't that on God?

 

[NayborBear]

Don't think of me personally and my journey, I am trying to "communicate" to those who "process" differently, how to say things in ways that they hear the "message I am trying to convey", without coming across as offending and accusing.

I look TO God in and through THE Word. Not through my thoughts but IN HIS WORDS, found IN the letter He sent to me. I don't know what you mean by "stop looking at them" and start looking to God, because "them" are/is God.

Because I am not under the law, I am not judged by the law, I have no guilt under the law, I have nothing that "under the law" as applicable to me.

I am under Grace and forgiveness

so that "being guilty of breaking one or all"

or as I put it "sinning" "messing up"

is ALL RESOLVED through the Blood of Christ, the law resolves nothing at all.

So yes, IF I WERE UNDER THE LAW, I would have to follow it perfectly

BUT UNDER GRACE, I HAVE TO FOLLOW IT PERFECTLY, OR FIND FORGIVENESS through Christ. And having BELIEF AND FAITH in the infinite value of the BLood of Christ, I know that "messing up, or sin, or break one break them all" how ever it is phrased,

ALL IS FORGIVEN and I am ONCE AGAIN "KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS"

Now if that is not "looking to God" I don't know what is.

Please explain the process you go through. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T I CAN ONLY GUESS, AND SO FAR MY GUESSES ARE INCORRECT. WHICH MAKES YOU "UNHAPPY". IT ISN'T A SECRET IS IT? But it feels like one. I don't know if you have done it a million times and don't want to anymore but if you have PLEase give me a post number and I will go and read it.
YOU KEEP TELLING ME WHAT I HAVE WRONG BUT YOU WONT TELL ME WHAT IS "RIGHT" TO YOU. That is all I am asking so that we might end this division and confusion and find the unity.

Look to God means.....
Repentance means.....
Sin means....
confess means....
keep my commandments mean....
rest means....
labor means.....

I do understand that when you walk in the love of God, and love the brethren, you most naturally, being led by the spirit, will follow these laws/commands and you do not need to say "thou shalt not kill". But you must admit, you have "gone looking for the ways of God" in His Word yourself. Everyone here has.

The ways of God are found in the Word, as the ways of walking like Christ are accomplished by taking that wisdom (mind) to heart, and having the heart (love) lead the walk to God. Would you agree?

Yep? It's some big secret!