Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?
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let's try it this way.
the question is:
why can some see God as ONE PERSON and others see Him as THREE PERSONS?
when you ultimately break it down, it is revelation. and if you are not deep within biblical revelation, you only see things in a simplistic manner. in my opinion, those who can see God as ONE PERSON has a better understanding of scripture. and those who see God as THREE PEOPLE lack reasoning to see God as ONE PERSON.
I am not sure why giving you simple answers confuses you.
maybe it is why those who believe in THREE PEOPLE as God cannot understand when you explain the ONENESS!!
have you ever changed anyone's mind to accept the ONENESS by your elaborated definitions?
if not, it's probably because they do not understand you.
this is why I am choosing to break it down on simple terms.
Yeshua spoke simplistically. so why must we be elaborate if we are being His example?
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I am not being insulting. I made simple posts and you asked for deeper meanings. but why do I need to give deeper meanings when some people don't understand the simple posts? I would only confuse them. God is not confusing.
no one knows all there is to know and why God made it clear His understanding is beyond our reasoning capabilities. I know what the manuscripts claim concerning God. I know them from several bible versions, several concordances, and a grandfather who taught bible college in Texas, Oklahoman, and Florida.
but in my honest opinion, since the hippo council decided which 66 Books to keep and destroyed many others, it is impossible to understand completely everything there is to know concerning God.
Chuckyz2
when you say :
He saw the disciple by the tree before He met Him.
You really don't know just how powerful Jesus is, do You?
that comment is not is not edifying if you did not know.
And No I never said HE Jesus wasn't all powerful, and yes I did not say HE has God with Him Always, I said HE IS God and HE and the Father are ONE face to face.
when you say :
He saw the disciple by the tree before He met Him.
You really don't know just how powerful Jesus is, do You?
that comment is not is not edifying if you did not know.
And No I never said HE Jesus wasn't all powerful, and yes I did not say HE has God with Him Always, I said HE IS God and HE and the Father are ONE face to face.
That Psalm does not mean Jesus did not have our sinful nature. I already quoted four translations of Romans 8:3 saying He did. But that Psalm is talking about Jesus' dead body not decaying:
Another psalm explains it more fully: ‘You will not allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.’ This is not a reference to David, for after David had done the will of God in his own generation, he died and was buried with his ancestors, and his body decayed. No, it was a reference to someone else—someone whom God raised and whose body did not decay.
Acts of the Apostles 13:35-37 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/act.13.35-37.NLT
Another psalm explains it more fully: ‘You will not allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.’ This is not a reference to David, for after David had done the will of God in his own generation, he died and was buried with his ancestors, and his body decayed. No, it was a reference to someone else—someone whom God raised and whose body did not decay.
Acts of the Apostles 13:35-37 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/act.13.35-37.NLT
Well when you say "I am not sure why giving you simple answers confuses you."
and I would like to know what manuscripts you have seen ? I ask that respectfully, what collage in tx and OK and FL? are they secular ? or were they theological? I went to Bible school in 1984 before google. I have my degree hung on the wall and still a life long Lerner. study Greek and Hebrew still. sat under some of the greatest men are women teachers today and over the past 30 years. baptist, reformed , evangelicals , and fundamentalist.
That is all scukabla .
and even after all that human reasoning and simple answers have not or will not enable us to fully understand the Nature of God.
and I would like to know what manuscripts you have seen ? I ask that respectfully, what collage in tx and OK and FL? are they secular ? or were they theological? I went to Bible school in 1984 before google. I have my degree hung on the wall and still a life long Lerner. study Greek and Hebrew still. sat under some of the greatest men are women teachers today and over the past 30 years. baptist, reformed , evangelicals , and fundamentalist.
That is all scukabla .
and even after all that human reasoning and simple answers have not or will not enable us to fully understand the Nature of God.
I think what might inform this discussion at this point is to introduce the fact that the sect that arrived in the 1860's and are today known as the Christadelphian's. (What they believe.)
They teach Jesus Christ had a human sinful nature because Jesus was tempted by Satan on more than one occasion. They also deny the deity of Jesus Christ and salvation by grace.
Does this sound familiar to members here as having been proposed in posts here?
Unfortunately, it would appear Christadelphian's don't teach that that is Satan's nature; tempting the righteous away from the way and into the darkness.
It does not mean Jesus possessed a human's sinful nature. Because unlike a human there was no point in time when Jesus would have conceded to the temptations of Satan who bears a fallen sin filled nature.
They teach Jesus Christ had a human sinful nature because Jesus was tempted by Satan on more than one occasion. They also deny the deity of Jesus Christ and salvation by grace.
Does this sound familiar to members here as having been proposed in posts here?
Unfortunately, it would appear Christadelphian's don't teach that that is Satan's nature; tempting the righteous away from the way and into the darkness.
It does not mean Jesus possessed a human's sinful nature. Because unlike a human there was no point in time when Jesus would have conceded to the temptations of Satan who bears a fallen sin filled nature.
Because of his belief that Jesus had sinful flesh, I asked DevotiontoBible if he was a Christadelphian early in this thread. He said he had never heard of them.
Christadelphians also do not believe the Devil exists as a sentient being. They claim he is merely a "personification of sin in the flesh".
Christadelphians also do not believe the Devil exists as a sentient being. They claim he is merely a "personification of sin in the flesh".
Good point ,
this is caused by biblically illiterate people. First off it is not a sin to be tempted
Heb 4:15
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
Those who hold to the false teaching do so because they need it. It helps them to accept the life long act of sinning they still do and when they fail to be obedient. it's God fault is the next door they open.
this is caused by biblically illiterate people. First off it is not a sin to be tempted
Heb 4:15
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
Those who hold to the false teaching do so because they need it. It helps them to accept the life long act of sinning they still do and when they fail to be obedient. it's God fault is the next door they open.
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manuscripts = different Bible versions [CLV for koine Greek, CJB for Aramaic, Torah for actual Old Testament references, Tanakh for old Hebrew myths, and I use both Youngs and Strong's Concordances]...this does also include scholars and teachers manuscripts on specific topics...even preachers documentations.
my grandfather was what is known as a presbyter [means he over saw the churches in several states]. and he taught in 1940's/50's before becoming a full time evangelist. but he also did mid week bible studies within the churches of the Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ because no one had his depth and understanding of scripture.
he finally went independent so he could preach anywhere and have whomever preach in his own parsonage.
I studied under his tutelage for 20 years and then under my fathers.
sadly, both of the greatest men of God I have ever known are with God, and I am striving to be reunited!!