Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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CS1

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He saw the disciple by the tree before He met Him.
You really don't know just how powerful Jesus is, do You?
Chuckyz2 if you want to talk to me do not insult I did not suggest you did not know anything . This is why topics like this become insulting ok . thank you
 

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NO that is not true

the concept of the Trinity is seen this way and it is tight this was

1. We must approach the Devine Nature of God reverently
2. We are limited in our ability to fully comprehend the GodHead The Level of human reasoning can never fully comprehend the Devine Nature of God; pride says otherwise .
The concept of the Trinity or Godhead is
God is One and Three yet ONE.
We have come to this understanding from Scriptures . As the Word OF God speaks of God the Creator Gods Holy Spirit seen in Gen 1
And the Eternal Son revealed in the Gospel of John 1

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit . The Three are seen in Scripture, the three have identity and attributes which bring distinction to each one and personification too. YET they are God

God the Creator = God Jesus Lord = God The Holy Spirit= God = 3=1 God.


Your comment of limited reasoning skills are in context to you too because WE on this side cannot fully understand ALL this is to know about God .
God is Infinite we are finite we only know enough for appropriate worship and righteous living
We only know God through the revelation :

general = His creation Rom 1
Special= His Word
illumination= by the Holy Spirit in a relationship with Christ our Lord.
the level of Skillful reasoning produces nothing `.



let's try it this way.

the question is:
why can some see God as ONE PERSON and others see Him as THREE PERSONS?

when you ultimately break it down, it is revelation. and if you are not deep within biblical revelation, you only see things in a simplistic manner. in my opinion, those who can see God as ONE PERSON has a better understanding of scripture. and those who see God as THREE PEOPLE lack reasoning to see God as ONE PERSON.

I am not sure why giving you simple answers confuses you.

maybe it is why those who believe in THREE PEOPLE as God cannot understand when you explain the ONENESS!!

have you ever changed anyone's mind to accept the ONENESS by your elaborated definitions?
if not, it's probably because they do not understand you.

this is why I am choosing to break it down on simple terms.

Yeshua spoke simplistically. so why must we be elaborate if we are being His example?
 

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let's try it this way.

the question is:
why can some see God is ONE PERSON and others see Him as THREE PERSONS?

when you ultimately break it down, it is revelation. and if you are not deep within biblical revelation, you only see things in a simplistic manner. in my opinion, those who can see God is ONE PERSON has a better understand of scripture. and those who see God as THREE PEOPLE lack reasoning to see God as ONE PERSON.

I am not sure why giving you simple answers confuses you.

maybe it is why those who believe in THREE PEOPLE as God cannot understand when you explain the ONENESS!!

have you ever changed anyone's mind to accept the ONENESS by your elaborated definitions?
if not, it's probably because they do not understand you.

this is why I am choosing to break it down on simple terms.

Yeshua spoke simplistically. so why must we be elaborate if we are being His example?
there you go insulting why?
the answer to the Godhead is not simple because we are limited in our understanding So I will ask you to cut through the chase

DO you know all there is to know about th Nature of God ?
 
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Chuckyz2 if you want to talk to me do not insult I did not suggest you did not know anything . This is why topics like this become insulting ok . thank you
I didn't insult you. I asked a question. You took it offensively.
I never said or thought you thought I did know anything.
Where did that come from?
Jesus knows everything.
He is all powerful.
He has God with Him always.
You said He wasn't.
 

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there you go insulting why?
the answer to the Godhead is not simple because we are limited in our understanding So I will ask you to cut through the chase

DO you know all there is to know about th Nature of God ?



I am not being insulting. I made simple posts and you asked for deeper meanings. but why do I need to give deeper meanings when some people don't understand the simple posts? I would only confuse them. God is not confusing.

no one knows all there is to know and why God made it clear His understanding is beyond our reasoning capabilities. I know what the manuscripts claim concerning God. I know them from several bible versions, several concordances, and a grandfather who taught bible college in Texas, Oklahoman, and Florida.

but in my honest opinion, since the hippo council decided which 66 Books to keep and destroyed many others, it is impossible to understand completely everything there is to know concerning God.
 

CS1

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I didn't insult you. I asked a question. You took it offensively.
I never said or thought you thought I did know anything.
Where did that come from?
Jesus knows everything.
He is all powerful.
He has God with Him always.
You said He wasn't.
Chuckyz2


when you say :

He saw the disciple by the tree before He met Him.
You really don't know just how powerful Jesus is, do You?

that comment is not is not edifying if you did not know.

And No I never said HE Jesus wasn't all powerful, and yes I did not say HE has God with Him Always, I said HE IS God and HE and the Father are ONE face to face.
 
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No that is not correct remember Even in death The word of God says God would not let HIS Holy One see Corruption

Acts 13:33-37
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. 35Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: 37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

David is dead Jesus is not David is bones waiting the resurrection Jesus is THE RESURRECTION
That Psalm does not mean Jesus did not have our sinful nature. I already quoted four translations of Romans 8:3 saying He did. But that Psalm is talking about Jesus' dead body not decaying:

Another psalm explains it more fully: ‘You will not allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.’ This is not a reference to David, for after David had done the will of God in his own generation, he died and was buried with his ancestors, and his body decayed. No, it was a reference to someone else—someone whom God raised and whose body did not decay.
Acts of the Apostles 13:35‭-‬37 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/act.13.35-37.NLT
 

CS1

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I am not being insulting. I made simple posts and you asked for deeper meanings. but why do I need to give deeper meanings when some people don't understand the simple posts? I would only confuse them. God is not confusing.

no one knows all there is to know and why God made it clear His understanding is beyond our reasoning capabilities. I know what the manuscripts claim concerning God. I know them from several bible versions, several concordances, and a grandfather who taught bible college in Texas, Oklahoman, and Florida.

but in my honest opinion, since the hippo council decided which 66 Books to keep and destroyed many others, it is impossible to understand completely everything there is to know concerning God.
Well when you say "I am not sure why giving you simple answers confuses you."
and I would like to know what manuscripts you have seen ? I ask that respectfully, what collage in tx and OK and FL? are they secular ? or were they theological? I went to Bible school in 1984 before google. I have my degree hung on the wall and still a life long Lerner. study Greek and Hebrew still. sat under some of the greatest men are women teachers today and over the past 30 years. baptist, reformed , evangelicals , and fundamentalist.

That is all scukabla .
and even after all that human reasoning and simple answers have not or will not enable us to fully understand the Nature of God.
 

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That Psalm does not mean Jesus did not have our sinful nature. I already quoted four translations of Romans 8:3 saying He did. But that Psalm is talking about Jesus' dead body not decaying:

Another psalm explains it more fully: ‘You will not allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.’ This is not a reference to David, for after David had done the will of God in his own generation, he died and was buried with his ancestors, and his body decayed. No, it was a reference to someone else—someone whom God raised and whose body did not decay.
Acts of the Apostles 13:35‭-‬37 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/act.13.35-37.NLT
the sinful nature is one that causes the flesh to die. Jesus willfully gave UP to take back. That is the context of being the Supreme Authority and the Resurrection and the Life.
 
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the sinful nature is one that causes the flesh to die. Jesus willfully gave UP to take back. That is the context of being the Supreme Authority and the Resurrection and the Life.
the sinful nature is one that causes the flesh to die. Jesus willfully gave UP to take back. That is the context of being the Supreme Authority and the Resurrection and the Life.
the sinful nature is one that causes the flesh to die. Jesus willfully gave UP to take back. That is the context of being the Supreme Authority and the Resurrection and the Life.
He gave up because His omnipotence was sustaining His same sin natured mortal body we have. No other human could endure the extant of the savage torture He suffered and physically stay alive through it all.
 

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I think what might inform this discussion at this point is to introduce the fact that the sect that arrived in the 1860's and are today known as the Christadelphian's. (What they believe.)

They teach Jesus Christ had a human sinful nature because Jesus was tempted by Satan on more than one occasion. They also deny the deity of Jesus Christ and salvation by grace.
Does this sound familiar to members here as having been proposed in posts here?

Unfortunately, it would appear Christadelphian's don't teach that that is Satan's nature; tempting the righteous away from the way and into the darkness.

It does not mean Jesus possessed a human's sinful nature. Because unlike a human there was no point in time when Jesus would have conceded to the temptations of Satan who bears a fallen sin filled nature.
 

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That Psalm does not mean Jesus did not have our sinful nature. I already quoted four translations of Romans 8:3 saying He did. But that Psalm is talking about Jesus' dead body not decaying:

Another psalm explains it more fully: ‘You will not allow your Holy One to rot in the grave.’ This is not a reference to David, for after David had done the will of God in his own generation, he died and was buried with his ancestors, and his body decayed. No, it was a reference to someone else—someone whom God raised and whose body did not decay.
Acts of the Apostles 13:35‭-‬37 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/act.13.35-37.NLT

This is the limitation of Christ human reasoning cannot see. I
He gave up because His omnipotence was sustaining His same sin natured mortal body we have. No other human could endure the extant of the savage torture He suffered and physically stay alive through it all.
am sorry Jesus did not have a sinful nature no matter of education or human reasoning will change that truth. Jesus did not have sin HE took on MY sin.

It is unbiblical to say or teach that.
 

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I think what might inform this discussion at this point is to introduce the fact that the sect that arrived in the 1860's and are today known as the Christadelphian's. (What they believe.)

They teach Jesus Christ had a human sinful nature because Jesus was tempted by Satan on more than one occasion. Does this sound familiar to members here as having been proposed in posts here?
Because of his belief that Jesus had sinful flesh, I asked DevotiontoBible if he was a Christadelphian early in this thread. He said he had never heard of them.

Christadelphians also do not believe the Devil exists as a sentient being. They claim he is merely a "personification of sin in the flesh".
 

CS1

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I think what might inform this discussion at this point is to introduce the fact that the sect that arrived in the 1860's and are today known as the Christadelphian's. (What they believe.)

They teach Jesus Christ had a human sinful nature because Jesus was tempted by Satan on more than one occasion. Does this sound familiar to members here as having been proposed in posts here?

Unfortunately, it would appear Christadelphian's don't teach that that is Satan's nature; tempting the righteous away from the way and into the darkness.

It does not mean Jesus possessed a human's sinful nature because unlike a human there was no point in time when Jesus would have conceded to the temptations of Satan who bears a fallen sin filled nature.
Good point ,

this is caused by biblically illiterate people. First off it is not a sin to be tempted

Heb 4:15

"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

Those who hold to the false teaching do so because they need it. It helps them to accept the life long act of sinning they still do and when they fail to be obedient. it's God fault is the next door they open.
 

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Because of his belief that Jesus had sinful flesh, I asked DevotiontoBible is he was a Christadelphian early in this thread. He said he had never heard of them.

Christadelphians also do not believe the Devil exists as a sentient being. They claim he is merely a "personification of sin in the flesh".
more gnosticism google youtube weekend teaching LOL that trip up the biblical illiterate
 

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Well when you say "I am not sure why giving you simple answers confuses you."
and I would like to know what manuscripts you have seen ? I ask that respectfully, what collage in tx and OK and FL? are they secular ? or were they theological? I went to Bible school in 1984 before google. I have my degree hung on the wall and still a life long Lerner. study Greek and Hebrew still. sat under some of the greatest men are women teachers today and over the past 30 years. baptist, reformed , evangelicals , and fundamentalist.

That is all scukabla .
and even after all that human reasoning and simple answers have not or will not enable us to fully understand the Nature of God.


manuscripts = different Bible versions [CLV for koine Greek, CJB for Aramaic, Torah for actual Old Testament references, Tanakh for old Hebrew myths, and I use both Youngs and Strong's Concordances]...this does also include scholars and teachers manuscripts on specific topics...even preachers documentations.

my grandfather was what is known as a presbyter [means he over saw the churches in several states]. and he taught in 1940's/50's before becoming a full time evangelist. but he also did mid week bible studies within the churches of the Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ because no one had his depth and understanding of scripture.

he finally went independent so he could preach anywhere and have whomever preach in his own parsonage.
I studied under his tutelage for 20 years and then under my fathers.
sadly, both of the greatest men of God I have ever known are with God, and I am striving to be reunited!!
 
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This is the limitation of Christ human reasoning cannot see. I

am sorry Jesus did not have a sinful nature no matter of education or human reasoning will change that truth. Jesus did not have sin HE took on MY sin.

It is unbiblical to say or teach that.
Having the fallen adamic sin nature does not mean you have sin it means you have a nature that results in physical death.