Did Jesus lie???

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Rondonmon

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I think it's quite comical how carnal minded religious people who claim to be followers of Jesus... talk as though He lied sometimes. If Jesus is one's Lord and Savior... why not believe what He says???

Here's one that many claim Jesus lied about just because some silly TV preachers use in error:

Mark 11:23,24
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.


Did you notice Jesus personally acted on what He said in versus 23... in verse 24 by saying: "Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them"

Of course this is governed by not asking / saying to consume upon one's fleshly desires:

James 4:3
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

And, of course one must abide in Jesus and let the Word His Word abide in us so we are asking / saying the will of the Lord:

John 15:7
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Yet, somehow many get all bent out of shape cause goofy TV preachers mention Mark 11:23,24 in their extreme views that have led them in to the ditch (while carnal minded religious people be all in the ditch on the other side thinking God steals, kills, and destroys)... and it's like they think Jesus lied when He said we could speak to the mountain (that in your live that is bigger than what you can handle) and expect the Lord to watch over His Word to perform it (Jeremiah 1:12) because it's impossible for God to lie (Hebrews 6:18).

One of the keys to understanding HOW to receive healing is to... tell sickness and disease that it cannot come upon your body because your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit

1 Corinthians 6:19,20
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Of course this is only applicable to those who dedicate their body to be a habitation for the Lord

Romans 12:1,2

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Now, when speaking to sickness / disease telling it "it is written" (you know... like Jesus did when satan tried to get Him to not honor the Word of the Lord)... one must do so based upon what God has promised concerning healing and understand that we will reap in due season if we do not give up (Galatians 6:9)

Here's a few promises the Lord has made for your health / healing:

Romans 8:11
But IF the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you (allowed to live in us), He that raised up Jesus Christ from the dead shall also quicken (energize, make alive) your mortal body by His Spirit that lives in you. (see 2 Corinthians 3:17 – where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty, freedom!)

1 Peter 2:24
Jesus carried our sins in his own body on the cross, so that we, being dead to sin, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed.

Matthew 8:17

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Isaiah 53:4, 5
Jesus has carried our grief (pain, anxiety, calamity, disease, sickness), and carried our sorrows (anguish, affliction, feelings of pain, sadness and sorrow): yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted....but He was wounded (to wound, to break, be slain or killed) for our transgressions, He was bruised (crush, destroy, oppress, to collapse) for our iniquities: the punishment (violence, rebuke) of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed. (He took our wounds, so we could take his wholeness & health in every area of life)

Proverbs 4:20-23
Attend to My words; incline your ear unto My sayings....let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart....for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh....keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the forces of life.

James 5:15
The prayer of faith shall save the sick (from being sick!)

Exodus 15:26

If you will diligently listen to the voice of the LORD your God, and will do that which is right in His sight, and will give ear to His commandments, and keep all His statutes, I will not put any diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that heals you.

Exodus 23:24-26

You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do their works: but you shall utterly overthrow them, and destroy their images.
And you shall serve Adonai your God, and He shall bless your food and drink; and I will take sickness away from the midst of you.
There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: and you will live out the full span of your lives.

You have to believe in your heart that ts Gods will. That's the KEY. Just like Jesus said, pray ye in this manner.....thy will be done thy kingdom come. And in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus prayed the Father to take this cup from me, NEVERTHELESS, not my will but thine be done.

You can't have true FAITH that God is going to answer your prayer, unless you believe it is HIS WILL....Thus Jesus was only using an example of how great Gods powers are when its His will.

Of course if we pray for a Billion dollars it ain't happening and shouldn't. That borders on tempting God.
 
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Mark 11:23,24
...whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea...
It will happen literally, just not instantly...

Luke 3:5
"Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth"

Revelation 6:14
"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places"


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psalm6819

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I could cut and paste a wall of scripture about receiving according to your faith but then many would feel it was an indictment....

So I will just say this- when my first husband died I had been taught that it was "God's will" and to just ask for strength and peace, after 2 surgeries and a month in a coma, Zeb went to be with Jesus.

Twenty years later I KNEW it is God's will that we are well.
For me fighting the good fight is believing God's word...not what I see in the flesh but what the Bible says.

When my second husband, Tom stroked the drs sent him home to die (in a wheelchair and only moving his head and one hand) I took hold of scripture and wouldn't accept the diagnosis.

Tom lived. What changed?

My belief about God, I could have faith and fight the unbelief because my opinion of Him changed.

That's how my mountain moved.
 
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I took hold of scripture and wouldn't accept the diagnosis.

Tom lived. What changed?

My belief about God, I could have faith and fight the unbelief because my opinion of Him changed.

That's how my mountain moved.
Excellent... that's what I'm talking about, REFUSING to accept the evil the enemy is trying to do which is always in opposition to what Jesus paid for us to have at the Cross.

Your husband is a blessed man to have a strong lady in his life!
 

Zmouth

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Rockrz did say...'a mountain is something bigger than we can handle'....he did not mean a literal mountain. It is also what Jesus referred to.
It would be a very dangerous thing if people could move real mountains !
An maybe even more dangerous if believed He was speaking of the individual and not the body?

 
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An maybe even more dangerous if believed He was speaking of the individual and not the body?
The "mountain" Jesus spoke of includes our body and much more... anything that we cannot personally do anything about.

This includes the growing list of things medical science has no clue what to do about much less being able to heal thru man's wisdom which has failed long ago.

There is no call to action in God's Word where God tells His people to go make an appointment with the doctor instead of coming to Him... He is obviously more capable than man is to heal the body and provide divine health where we can grow to the point where we don't get sick in the first place.

The only good thing I can see about medical science is I never saw in God's Word where it's the unpardonable sin... none the less, I have no need for man's wisdom concerning health / healing due to Jesus having already purchased this for me at the Cross.