Did other people inhabit the earth before we did?

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rlm68

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I do not see this subject matter as ludicrous. I don't know if it has any merit or not, and it certainly has no bearing on us and our Salvation through Jesus, but it is interesting.

The passage in Jeremiah I always took as PROPHETIC NOT HISTORICAL. Why is it not Prophetic?

Because it uses same wording as Genesis 1:2 to indicate something happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

And it cannot be future since we won't use this earth when New Jeruslalem comes, because this earth will be completely destroyed and no more!!
 

rlm68

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Insults never further a discussion. Please just stick the topic.

Why cant Genesis 1:1 simply be basically a chapter heading? Similar to a book that has a page at the start that gives a tiny, short caption of the full description to follow in the entire chapter.

It could be if the original passage of scripture was written in English. But we know English is the 4th translation and many meanings were lost. So, it is necessary to use the Hebrew. And when we use the Hebrew, we see verse 1:1 of Genesis as this being 100% completed at this moment before moving onto verse 2.
 
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UnderGrace

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I don't even believe in LUCIFER!!

the word is LATIN found in Isaiah which is Hebrew!!

Isaiah was written 1500 years before LATIN and the word LUCIFER even existed!!

I believe what Jeremiah states how God destroyed humans and the earth all representing Genesis 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING!!

You raised the intrigue of the Luciferian theory. :unsure: Obviously this means some writer somewhere has postulated this theory.

There is a Luciferian theory. And it begins in Genesis 1:1 when it claims the heavens and the earth was finished (this means completed with life).
No matter, knowing any language does not guarantee knowledge of truth.
 

rlm68

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And I am sorry if I was insulting!!

I guess I should know better knowing people who believe 1 thing or have been taught a certain way is extremely hard for them to see it any other way. But you are reading an English translation of the Bible that has lost many meanings from it being translated from prior languages. If we want the absolute TRUTH, we must go to the original language.

It is irritating to meet people who just absolutely believe their English version Bible is what was specifically written. USE your mind and think, that is why God gave us a mind for!!
 

rlm68

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You raised the intrigue of the Luciferian theory. :unsure: Obviously this means some writer somewhere has postulated this theory.



No matter, knowing any language does not guarantee knowledge of truth.


Yes, there is a theory!!

but I don't believe in Lucifer, I believe in the Adversary!!
 

stonesoffire

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"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth"

In the Hebrew (if you actually believe in God one should know their HEBREW) , verse 1 of Genesis 1 absolutely means there is a period of time called the "BEGINNING," and during this time period God created the heavens and earth (as in 100% complete).

Here is an explanation from a Hebrew/Jew point of view on the correct way to interpret Genesis 1:1 and 1:2...

(What exactly does the book of Genesis tell us? That YEHOVAH God created the universe -- the heavens and the earth -- in a period of time called, simply, "the beginning." How long ago that primeval creation occurred we are not told anywhere in the Scripture. To determine that, YEHOVAH God has given us brains and intellect!)

Verse 2 represents a separate recreation not connected to verse 1 "the Beginning."

(Verse two of Genesis, chapter one, continues:

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep" (King James Version).

Is this verse describing the ORIGINAL creation as being formless and void? If so, it would seem a contradiction. Verse one tells us YEHOVAH created the heavens and the earth. When YEHOVAH creates something, it is beautiful, grand, and majestic. In the 38th chapter of the book of Job, we read:

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof? When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (vs. 4-7).

***If the original earth had been created a chaotic ruin, formless and void, the angels would not have "sang together" or have "shouted for joy.")***




It cracks me up to read/hear so-called preachers claim they know the word of God. But, do preachers actually know the Hebrew better than the Jews? It's a tragedy knowing on Sunday's and Wednesday's, true followers of God are being misled by ignorant men who actually believe what they preach is the absolute truth. And these men don't even have the first clue to what the Hebrew means throughout the Old Testament!!

It will be a very sad day when we all gather before Christ and have to give an account of just HOW STUPID SOME OF US REALLY ARE AND WHY WE MISLED PEOPLE TO UNTRUTHFUL KNOWLEDGE!!
Totally agree with your conclusion. God originally made creation "perfect". That is scripture. Peter spoke of a time "in ages past". That's scripture too.

Am just at the beginning of this thread. Pleased to make your acquaintance. Or I don't think we have corresponded. If so please forgive. :)

I love the revelation of understanding that Adam and Eve was the ancestry of the beginning seed of the woman who would come to destroy all the works of the devil. And it makes more sense to the fact that Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the earth. All through time innocent blood speaks. The Messiah.

The seed of the woman? Is not the church the woman? Think about it. ;)
 

Hungry

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This isn't one of them. Angels don't procreate with humans or animals, either one.
Angel just means messenger. It doesn’t mean spirit. Most people would argue that you couldn’t make an human hybrid with animals but that’s what they are cooking up in labs these days.
 

jaybird88

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That's fantasy. Scripture doesn't teach that nonsense.

In your imagination, but not in Scripture.
a praying mantis bites the head off the male in the middle of the reproductive event, the male finishes the act without its head and dies when complete.
you really believe the Lord created this?
 

Blik

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There couldn't have been people on the earth before Adam and Eve, because there was no earth until God created it. Then then the spirit of God hovered over the waters.
Evidently no one is reading how I explained what Genesis tells us. Genesis tells us that in the beginning the earth was formless and empty, and that is in the translation of the original Hebrew. It does NOT say there was nothing here in the beginning, and science has proved that there was something here. God is into facts, not make believe.
 
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pjharrison

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That's fantasy. Scripture doesn't teach that nonsense.

In your imagination, but not in Scripture.
Well why did God destroy mankind and the animals with the flood, all except noah and his family
 

Blik

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Angel just means messenger. It doesn’t mean spirit. Most people would argue that you couldn’t make an human hybrid with animals but that’s what they are cooking up in labs these days.
Angel means angel. Please read your bible before you make a statement. There are three kinds, one kind is a messenger.
 
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pjharrison

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I don’t think that the Bible says exactly giants were hybrids. It states that “sons of gods” made babies with daughters of Adam and they became the men of renown. Also...there was giants in those days. Given the lifespan of men in those days before the flood, before they ate meat, is it possible that their adolescence lasted about a hundred years or more? They didn’t have children until into their eighties. I’m not saying that’s the case but it is as possible, if not more plausible than some of the contending theories.
Who were the sons of God. Angels. Why did God destroy mankind with a flood?
 
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pjharrison

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That is because you fail to understand what IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH mean:

in the Hebrew, this one verse means this is all completed. Like after verse 2 and LET THERE BE LIGHT till God rested means a SECOND or recreation of the FIRST VERSE.

In the Hebrew, it shows God created the earth in verse 1 [between verse 1 and 2 destroyed the earth] and verse 2 beyond restored or recreated it again!!

Jeremiah 4 explains this and there was cities and life including humans all representing verse 1 [IN THE BEGINNING]!!
It means first he created the heavens and then the earth. Then he created the animals and man. Nothing in between.
 

Blik

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Well why did God destroy mankind and the animals with the flood, all except noah and his family
God destroyed with the flood because the one kind of angel who can take on human form and who rebelled against God married human women and produced so many evil men, and got human men to follow them that there was such evil in the world. The book of Enoch tells more about it, but in the 500's the church decided to outlaw that book in their desire to get the world to say the OT was too Jewish to be counted as scripture.
 
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pjharrison

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Evidently no one is reading how I explained what Genesis tells us. Genesis tells us that in the beginning the earth was formless and empty, and that is in the translation of the original Hebrew. It does NOT say there was nothing here in the beginning, and science has proved that there was something here. God is into facts, not make believe.
Gen: 1: 1-2, 1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
 
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pjharrison

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God destroyed with the flood because the one kind of angel who can take on human form and who rebelled against God married human women and produced so many evil men, and got human men to follow them that there was such evil in the world. The book of Enoch tells more about it, but in the 500's the church decided to outlaw that book in their desire to get the world to say the OT was too Jewish to be counted as scripture.
They produced Giants. Angels with humans would not produce normal humans. Angels are spirit. In jude it says going after strange flesh.
jude 1: 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
 

jimd

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Who were the sons of God. Angels. Why did God destroy mankind with a flood?
If you study carefully the sons of God were descendants of Seth, a godly man who was a messenger for God. Many jump to a wrong conclusion on this scripture just as they do others. Daughters of men were descendants of Cain. this is why the scripture is replete with warnings for believers not to marry unbelievers, which in this case led to the destruction of the flood. We can see where it is leading today.