Did the Church institute Dec 25th to replace Pagan Festivals with a Christian Theme?

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It is interesting to me that in our present day, evangelical churches are striving to transform Hollween into a "Fall Festival" holiday.

I wonder if we will ever succeed to the point of making it an official, national holiday.
The pandemic has killed the tradition 0f halloween as we know it. Send your kids to the neighbors for treats now.
 

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It wasn't until the 40's that any of this was brought up. There was a great change that came in the world at that time.

There was little that happened in the world that prophecy told us was to happen, and then Hitler's doings brought about the return of the Israelites to Jerusalem. The deep sea scrolls were discovered, with the oldest scriptures ever found that helped bridge the gap time made. That started scholars thinking about the roots of our religion, the beginnings of Christ. And it brought about questions about the changes that man has made to scripture.

I should think that everyone would prefer to follow what God has suggested instead of what man has suggested.

God never suggested we celebrate the birth of the human form of Jesus, the big celebration of Jesus was to be celebrating the eternal Jesus with Passover. The fall feasts are to celebrate the future return of Jesus.

I don't think the Lord is judging us for our additions to His word, but uses them for good. What God wants most for us is for us to go to Christ for forgiveness of our sins so we can live with Him forever, and to live in this world with Christ within so we can live here with joy and goodness. is
Seriously? That Christmas was instituted in the '40s?? I had no idea. I thought it was older than that -- way older!!

I guess what I don't understand is why believers chose to do Christmas when they could have done Chanukah as Messiah did. That's a real puzzle to me.
 
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Too bad for you that I am here 😛😆
Have you had a recent break from reality? FYI, it is best I just do not bother with your idiosyncratic posts.
 

Lanolin

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I do the Hannukah by putting up christmas lights.

These days they are solar powered so you dont have to worry about electricity bills or naked flames.
 

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7. Decorating the he with lights and with a tree upon which they place ornaments that reflect allanner of the things of heaven and our religious symbols, like angels, and crosses, and stars.
"If Christmas came from the Roman Catholics and they got it from paganism, where then did the pagans get it? What was the origin of the Christmas tree? Would you believe its roots begin just after the flood?

Nimrod, the grandson of Ham and the great- grandson of Noah, was the real founder of the Babylonian system that has gripped the earth ever since. It was a system of organized competition, of man-ruled governments and empires, based on the competitive and profit-making economic system.

Ancient writings speak of this man, Nimrod, who started a great, organized world apostasy against God, which continues to dominate the world to this day. In Genesis 10:8-9, the Hebrew word translated "mighty" is GIBBOR, which means "tyrant" over the people. The Hebrew word translated "before" in verse nine is PANIYAM, which actually means "against." When properly translated, these verses clearly reveal that Nimrod was a "tyrant against God, ruling over the people."

He was so wicked, it is said, that he married his own mother, Semiramis. After Nimrod was killed, his mother-wife propagated the doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit-being. She claimed a full grown evergreen tree sprang over night from a dead tree stump which symbolized the springing forth into new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed Nimrod would visit the evergreen and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the supposed birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree!

Even in our current era of open and graphic talk about sex, it is surprising to learn that the male reproductive organ was of tremendous importance in the Mystery Religions representing, no doubt, power and fertility.

Trees were common phallic symbols connected with the sun god. Ball ornaments, representing the womb as well as the sun and moon, were hung all around the phallus. (Many sources, from which we will spare you, actually boast as they expound on the details concerning these symbolic representations which they practiced in their religious beliefs!) Today, families gather together in breathless anticipation and delight when the obelisk (tree-top ornament) is placed in its position of honor. When you learn that it represents the sexual union between the Babylonian mother-goddess and her sun-god, son/husband, it becomes an object of disgust. (The Encyclopedia Britannica, 14th edition, 1973.)

When we learn the stark reality concerning the origin of the Christmas tree, we must squarely face and admit to ourselves that we must not take part in this tradition. Those who set up and adorn a Christmas tree, though they may have the best of intentions and most wonderful feelings, they are actually bowing down and worshipping Satan at the foot of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil!(Taken from:Christmas: "Greatest Story Never Told - 2" )
 
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"If Christmas came from the Roman Catholics and they got it from paganism, where then did the pagans get it? What was the origin of the Christmas tree? Would you believe its roots begin just after the flood?

Nimrod, the grandson of Ham and the great- grandson of Noah, was the real founder of the Babylonian system that has gripped the earth ever since. It was a system of organized competition, of man-ruled governments and empires, based on the competitive and profit-making economic system.

Ancient writings speak of this man, Nimrod, who started a great, organized world apostasy against God, which continues to dominate the world to this day. In Genesis 10:8-9, the Hebrew word translated "mighty" is GIBBOR, which means "tyrant" over the people. The Hebrew word translated "before" in verse nine is PANIYAM, which actually means "against." When properly translated, these verses clearly reveal that Nimrod was a "tyrant against God, ruling over the people."

He was so wicked, it is said, that he married his own mother, Semiramis. After Nimrod was killed, his mother-wife propagated the doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit-being. She claimed a full grown evergreen tree sprang over night from a dead tree stump which symbolized the springing forth into new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed Nimrod would visit the evergreen and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the supposed birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree!

Even in our current era of open and graphic talk about sex, it is surprising to learn that the male reproductive organ was of tremendous importance in the Mystery Religions representing, no doubt, power and fertility.

Trees were common phallic symbols connected with the sun god. Ball ornaments, representing the womb as well as the sun and moon, were hung all around the phallus. (Many sources, from which we will spare you, actually boast as they expound on the details concerning these symbolic representations which they practiced in their religious beliefs!) Today, families gather together in breathless anticipation and delight when the obelisk (tree-top ornament) is placed in its position of honor. When you learn that it represents the sexual union between the Babylonian mother-goddess and her sun-god, son/husband, it becomes an object of disgust. (The Encyclopedia Britannica, 14th edition, 1973.)

When we learn the stark reality concerning the origin of the Christmas tree, we must squarely face and admit to ourselves that we must not take part in this tradition. Those who set up and adorn a Christmas tree, though they may have the best of intentions and most wonderful feelings, they are actually bowing down and worshipping Satan at the foot of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil!(Taken from:Christmas: "Greatest Story Never Told - 2" )
The irony here is that supposed Christians believe almost any story except the Christian story.
 

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the christmas tree was orignally meant to represent one of the two trees in the garden of Eden...the one that had the poisonous fruit that tempted adam and eve. The other tree, the tree of life, seems to be forgotten, lol.

so now everyone puts up fake trees instead of planting real ones.
 
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"If Christmas came from the Roman Catholics and they got it from paganism, where then did the pagans get it? What was the origin of the Christmas tree? Would you believe its roots begin just after the flood?

Nimrod, the grandson of Ham and the great- grandson of Noah, was the real founder of the Babylonian system that has gripped the earth ever since. It was a system of organized competition, of man-ruled governments and empires, based on the competitive and profit-making economic system.

Ancient writings speak of this man, Nimrod, who started a great, organized world apostasy against God, which continues to dominate the world to this day. In Genesis 10:8-9, the Hebrew word translated "mighty" is GIBBOR, which means "tyrant" over the people. The Hebrew word translated "before" in verse nine is PANIYAM, which actually means "against." When properly translated, these verses clearly reveal that Nimrod was a "tyrant against God, ruling over the people."

He was so wicked, it is said, that he married his own mother, Semiramis. After Nimrod was killed, his mother-wife propagated the doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit-being. She claimed a full grown evergreen tree sprang over night from a dead tree stump which symbolized the springing forth into new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed Nimrod would visit the evergreen and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the supposed birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree!

Even in our current era of open and graphic talk about sex, it is surprising to learn that the male reproductive organ was of tremendous importance in the Mystery Religions representing, no doubt, power and fertility.

Trees were common phallic symbols connected with the sun god. Ball ornaments, representing the womb as well as the sun and moon, were hung all around the phallus. (Many sources, from which we will spare you, actually boast as they expound on the details concerning these symbolic representations which they practiced in their religious beliefs!) Today, families gather together in breathless anticipation and delight when the obelisk (tree-top ornament) is placed in its position of honor. When you learn that it represents the sexual union between the Babylonian mother-goddess and her sun-god, son/husband, it becomes an object of disgust. (The Encyclopedia Britannica, 14th edition, 1973.)

When we learn the stark reality concerning the origin of the Christmas tree, we must squarely face and admit to ourselves that we must not take part in this tradition. Those who set up and adorn a Christmas tree, though they may have the best of intentions and most wonderful feelings, they are actually bowing down and worshipping Satan at the foot of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil!(Taken from:Christmas: "Greatest Story Never Told - 2" )
When they were building the tower of Babel, do you think someone passing by might have stopped and said, "I wonder what Nimrod decided to build that?" :LOL::ROFL:
 
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the christmas tree was orignally meant to represent one of the two trees in the garden of Eden...the one that had the poisonous fruit that tempted adam and eve. The other tree, the tree of life, seems to be forgotten, lol.

so now everyone puts up fake trees instead of planting real ones.
To put the star on top, supposedly.
 

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I don't think there are many people today whose lives are wrapped around living life as the Lord tells us to live after we are saved. After the Lord saves them, they really don't care. Easter and Christmas for instance is found much more to people's tastes than any celebration the Lord tells us of.

*I have often wondered what our world would be like if we ordered our life through loving the Lord so we want to follow him in every way. Even our families would be different, as the Lord wants us to love and support each member. Can you imagine the world with no more mother-in-law jokes?

Zechariah 14:19 tells us in the last days, the nations will punished for not celebrate the festival of Booths/Tabernacles. We know almost no Christian would celebrate any festival today.

Zech. 14:19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
 
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Put yourself in His place in this time 2000 years after the day you were born. Imagine what someone trying to put an end to remembering the day you were born looks like. How it would make you feel.

I don't see Jesus frowning upon people who want to hold a day special to rejoice and celebrate that day . The day God took His first breath of 7air. I do see Him frowning on those who say 'Jesus never said to do that.......you think He's supposed to 'command' that? Thou shalt party on my birthday.!...or thou shalt not party on my birthday....lol

All that matters is what Christmas means right now. On that day that was picked His warmth still permeates the land.... a little. Those who love who's warmth it is love it no matter where it's found knowing it belongs to them.
 
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its actually hannuakh and not xmas that christians "should" be celebrating ...
Hanukkah, is not one of the celebrations or holidays God prescribed. Do you know what haunuakka is?