Did the tree of knowledge scene take place in Adam and Eve's head? Did the talking snake whisper in their ear like he does today?

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4ChristAlone

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God said we would die ..doesn't that mean spiritually? A dead spirit.
Think about it this way when we come to Christ we have the Holy Spirit, and that is HIS Spirit which bears witness with OUR spirit that we are the children of God. We ourselves are a body, soul and spirit (and then there is HIS Holy Spirit). There is one from God which is the one that gives life to our body and we become a living SOUL, so I guess I would say that we live as that in our bodies but that does not make us alive to God. Paul speaks about the spirit of man (and who knoweth the thoughts of a man but the spirit in a man) but also the Spirit of God and who knows the thoughts of God but the Spirit which is from God.

Dead is shown in various ways, dead in sin, carnally dead (meaning wee have died and our bodies are dead because our own spirit has departed from it) then as living is shown, and one can be dead (spiritually) while they liveth.
 
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4ChristAlone

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Almost like two breaths are shown, one to animate the body (as is shown in Adam) and the other to reanimate our spirit (as shown in Jesus Christ). Which are from the same God. One sustains the body the other the spirit, If I am catching that correctly. I dont really like going above what is written.
 
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Almost like two breaths are shown, one to animate the body (as is shown in Adam) and the other to reanimate our spirit (as shown in Jesus Christ). Which are from the same God. One sustains the body the other the spirit, If I am catching that correctly. I dont really like going above what is written.
What is this saying?
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 
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4ChristAlone

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What is this saying?
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Yes, God is Spirit and He is the God of the spirits of all flesh. There is the spirit of man and of beast
 
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4ChristAlone

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Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Theres a spirit in man which is of man and the Spirit of God

1 Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
 
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Yes, God is Spirit and He is the God of the spirits of all flesh. There is the spirit of man and of beast
So a dead spirit is one that is using carnal knowledge to make choices. Everyone has a spirit then ..but what happens for those going to the lake?
 
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Is human spirit being resurrected when we join Christ in His Sacrifice? God's Spirit witnesses we are no longer using carnal knowledge.
 
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4ChristAlone

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So a dead spirit is one that is using carnal knowledge to make choices. Everyone has a spirit then ..but what happens for those going to the lake?
Like I said I never heard of a dead spirit, but I would regard men as dead in the general sense of dead in sin while they live in pleasure (these still having their own spirit) which animates the body (in order to live upon the earth) even while they have not the Holy Spirit.

To be carnally minded is called death also, just as to be spiritually minded is called life and peace.

Here are a couple of scriptures, one showing the devil and the lake of fire

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire

Just as same as in

Rev 20:5 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Then here again

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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4ChristAlone

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Is human spirit being resurrected when we join Christ in His Sacrifice? God's Spirit witnesses we are no longer using carnal knowledge.
Which scripture are you asking about, otherwise we can just ask if God eats peanut butter doughnuts and if you do a search that might not come up
 
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If everyone has a spirit, it means there is still a connection ..but what matters is if God witnesses you as alive. I think there might be levels of connection. If spirits return to God then those in the lake might have complete separation.
 
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4ChristAlone

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If everyone has a spirit, it means there is still a connection ..but what matters is if God witnesses you as alive. I think there might be levels of connection. If spirits return to God then those in the lake might have complete separation.
If everyone has a spirit in them there is a connection to what exactly?

Because we know if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

What do you mean if God witnesses you alive?

What level of connectedness is there between a man with his natural spirit without the Spirit of God? How are you seeing a connectedness?

The dead will stand before him. Those in the lake do not appear to have unity with God if thats what you mean.
 
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Spirit is your perception of reality. Do you see it God's way? Spirit is our internet connection to God.

"There is one from God which is the one that gives life to our body and we become a living SOUL, so I guess I would say that we live as that in our bodies but that does not make us alive to God. "

dead or alive spirit
 
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1 Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
"man knoweth the things of a man" ..carnal knowledge

"save the spirit of man which is in him?" ..saved via resurrected spirit (through Christ) ..new perception of reality. God knows us as alive.

"even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God." ..God doesn't know us if we are using carnal knowledge?
 
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4ChristAlone

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"man knoweth the things of a man" ..carnal knowledge

"save the spirit of man which is in him?" ..saved via resurrected spirit (through Christ) ..new perception of reality. God knows us as alive.

"even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God." ..God doesn't know us if we are using carnal knowledge?
How do you get that from that context, its like saying, no one know duck knows the things of a duck save the spirit of a duck, not that the duck is saved lol

Are you for real with some of your questions?
 
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4ChristAlone

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Well, Pittsburghjoe, I am done with questions that go nowhere but in circles so I will leave you to them and let everyone else chase their tail with you ;)
 
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God's Spirit witnesses a renewed spirit (alive) as forming to the image of Christ. "What Would Jesus Do?" perception.
 
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Forming to the image of the beast is a dead spirit. Carnal man's perception.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Is the fruit of evil, concepts like lust and money?
Did Satan lie/convince/tempt Adam and Eve to eat/participate/choose?

Is death a perception tree of choices that includes evil acts and blinds us to God (The Way)?

Is the fruit of man's carnal knowledge, evil? Did satan cause the first evil idea/fruit? Did it only count after we acted (ate) on the evil idea?
Is the fruit of the spirit the good? Is the good and evil of the Tree of Knowledge the fruits/choices?

Has man always been the tree of knowledge or did we become it?

death/sin hides The Way to the level of spirit/life, God wants in us for righteousness. satan is trying to hide The Way to renew our spirit.
it’s cause and effect brother , it wasn’t metaphorical or figurative but rather what they actually did , became our inner nature which is the unseen part.

what I mean is cause

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭

When they our natural parents. transgressed and partook of the knowledge of good and also evil it produced this inward conflict of good and evil for their offspring

“For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:19-24‬ ‭

what they actually did , became our struggle with sin . The reason that God forbid the knowledge of good and evil is because we were good then we weren’t conflicted about good and evil until satan introduced us to the conflict in order to kill us with transgression of Gods word

the cause is what they did and the effect is who we are so you have on top of and aside from all
Of this somewhat of a metophore

the world were in is like Eden , there is a teee of life in the center which is Jesus and the gospel which we can eat of and live forever with God in his presence ( the Holy Ghost with us ) but there’s also a forbidden tree producing poison fruit in the garden here this is sin

. And like them we have been informed about it’s poison and instructed to stop partaking of it’s poison , and to instead feed on the tree of life and dwell in the parameters of Eden with the lord rather than being cast out into the darkness and having the fires keep us from the tree of life
 

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Is the fruit of evil, concepts like lust and money?
Did Satan lie/convince/tempt Adam and Eve to eat/participate/choose?

Is death a perception tree of choices that includes evil acts and blinds us to God (The Way)?

Is the fruit of man's carnal knowledge, evil? Did satan cause the first evil idea/fruit? Did it only count after we acted (ate) on the evil idea?
Is the fruit of the spirit the good? Is the good and evil of the Tree of Knowledge the fruits/choices?

Has man always been the tree of knowledge or did we become it?

death/sin hides The Way to the level of spirit/life, God wants in us for righteousness. satan is trying to hide The Way to renew our spirit.
Was LSD and the psych trip confined to the 60's and thereafter?

Was there Psych mushrooms in the garden?