Didn’t God make all things Good?

[Adstar]

I apologize if I spoke indifferent to you... but at this point .. why do I have to defend my belief? I know why Jesus died. But God didn’t die... you can’t kill a spirit.. And btw....he went to the cross willingly, knowing his purpose was to pay the curse for others debt...and gave Judas what he needed... does that mean Judas is evil? Or was Evil used for Good?
and The message is complete... but I don’t need to heed your warning... for I already was warned by the Word of God... no need to through your damnation warning this way!

Do you know what death is? Death is the end of physical flesh life.. Death is a transition between the flesh life experience to the eternal existence experience..

When i die my spirit does not cease to exist so saying God did not die because you cannot kill a spirit does not mean anything in regards to the experience of death.. No spirit ceases to exist, our spirits exist from the moment we where created and will exist forever and ever into the future.. But we who have experienced living in these flesh bodies in this universe existence will experience death, just as Jesus experienced flesh life in this universe and suffered death.

So God was manifested in the flesh as Jesus and suffered death..

Yes Jesus went to the cross willingly.. That was the central part of His mission in this creation.. To provide a Way to Redeem this creation.. Jesus used the evil intentions of Judas and allowed Judas to play his minor role in the process..

Judas did not benefit from his actions just as the evil Pharaoh of the times of Moses was used by God in the exodus to play a role which he would not benefit from.. The only ones who benefit from being used by God are those who believe in His will and trust in the Way He has made for them to be Redeemed..

Yes God used the Evil of Judas for His good eternal plan..

 

[TheWind]

Alice Bailey, the biggest prophet of the new age movement.

Website, lucistrust.org, to promote her books, and teachings, who wrote of the one world government, unified religious system, and the New Age Christ in the 1930's, who said she received her revelation of what she wrote from a Tibetan Monk who told her what to write.

The esoteric meaning of Lucifer according to Alice Bailey, which those that set up this website wrote this, and set the website up after she died.

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

Helena Blavatsky said that Satan is both God and the devil.

Foster Bailey, her husband, was a Freemason, and agreed with her writings, so he is part of the inner circle of Freemasonry, and Alice wrote that the inner circle is the true Church, which the occult will put out an outer circle that is more acceptable to the public, but gets them thinking in a way they want which is according to the conditioning of the people to lead them where they want them to go, which in this case would be the future kingdom of the New Age Christ.

The New Age follows Lucifer, at least the inner circle, but Alice Bailey put it out in public to the outer circle that Lucifer brought the principle of mind to the then animal-man, caused them to evolve, and will cause them to evolve to be greater and spiritual, in the future as the New Age Christ.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom in Revelation 13, and is the future for this world.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

But they will say that the beast was nothing when they realize he was not great like he proclaimed, but deceived them.

The new age is Luciferian, and it is out to the outer circle, for it is on her website available to the public, and Alice is the biggest prophet of the coming New Age Christ that changed the thinking from the Christ conscience coming upon people to the Christ conscience coming upon a single man, the New Age Christ, the antichrist, and then he will cause them to evolve.

GM! And Whoa.. this is a lot of information...
Not that history isn’t wonderful though!!!
I have never heard the term new age Christ before, is that like a new religious movement? Or a new religion? Not that we don’t have enough

 

[PennEd]

Well someone called me Luciferian.. at this point I don’t know which way the accusation comes from.... I haven’t avoided any question anyone asked me and I spoke plainly to you my belief..... You separate Adam and Lucifer.. why?

You said in YOUR writings that the serpent in Eden could have been God Himself. How is that not Luciferian?

 

[TheWind]

Do you know what death is? Death is the end of physical flesh life.. Death is a transition between the flesh life experience to the eternal existence experience..

When i die my spirit does not cease to exist so saying God did not die because you cannot kill a spirit does not mean anything in regards to the experience of death.. No spirit ceases to exist, our spirits exist from the moment we where created and will exist forever and ever into the future.. But we who have experienced living in these flesh bodies in this universe existence will experience death, just as Jesus experienced flesh life in this universe and suffered death.

So God was manifested in the flesh as Jesus and suffered death..

Yes Jesus went to the cross willingly.. That was the central part of His mission in this creation.. To provide a Way to Redeem this creation.. Jesus used the evil intentions of Judas and allowed Judas to play his minor role in the process..

Judas did not benefit from his actions just as the evil Pharaoh of the times of Moses was used by God in the exodus to play a role which he would not benefit from.. The only ones who benefit from being used by God are those who believe in His will and trust in the Way He has made for them to be Redeemed..

Yes God used the Evil of Judas for His good eternal plan..

I wonder: Have you died? That you would be able to speak so much about death?? And do you know how the wind carries Spirits to and fro? ...I don’t know about you... but I am living through Christ, as being in Him....Not separate from him... (from the foundation of the world... not from physical birth)
And Just because you understand death to be physical. What about death to sin? God did not intend death, but life.... Why do you defend death, as if it still exists? ... If you live in the world, and not by the spirit... then You would know a lot about death. Because sin is death... I am in life.. a new creation.. no need to preach about death to me. The Word is living, not dead. How do you know someday the flesh of men won’t live forever... are you are Lord and savior to claim such a thing... just because we always understood death to be in the flesh.. doesn’t mean it was supposed to be that way in the foundation.. God is God. If he wants an old man to live to be 969 years old.. he can.. if he wants a woman to have a baby at almost a hundred years old...he can.. if he wants a woman to birth a child without knowing a man. Immaculately....He can!! If God said men will have everlasting life... He meant it!
Are you questioning Gods words? Or do you know more than what I think?


I ask you then;
Was Judas chosen? For death or for life? For Good or for evil?

 

[TheWind]

You said in YOUR writings that the serpent in Eden could have been God Himself. How is that not Luciferian?

OH ...JOB!!!
Is God the God of the just only?
Did he not use Judas for the Good of the Lord? Who are you to say, or judge my Words as Luciferian.. maybe your perception, or should I say.. eyes are closed... did God not say cain would be accepted if he did well?
Do you make yourself like the almighty to be able to say or judge good verses evil?
Your judgement rests with the knowledge of men, not with the knowledge of God...

 

[PennEd]

OH ...JOB!!!
Is God the God of the just only?
Did he not use Judas for the Good of the Lord? Who are you to say, or judge my Words as Luciferian.. maybe your perception, or should I say.. eyes are closed... did God not say cain would be accepted if he did well?
Do you make yourself like the almighty to be able to say or judge good verses evil?
Your judgement rests with the knowledge of men, not with the knowledge of God...

USING Judas and BEING Judas are 2 different things.

YOU said the serpent in Eden, which is universally understood to be Satan, could be God Himself.

THAT is pretty darn close to what Luciferians believe.

 

[TheWind]

You said in YOUR writings that the serpent in Eden could have been God Himself. How is that not Luciferian?

Man oh man!!... Maybe he has already deceived you... I’m sorry if that’s the case... Prayers!! After-all.... We all wait for the truth to reveal itself. No one chooses to be deceived... but mens eyes are closed for purpose, I am no one to say... but Satan gets no glory for what the Lord does...Only God.. Jesus took Satan to the cross.. and destroyed death.. and gave Life..
since you know so much .. PLEASE tell me!!!! Not as if I don’t know.. but I’m dying to know your reply, senior member of the board;

Genesis 3:5
God doth know.. that in the day you eat of this tree your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be like God knowing good and evil...
Question: if only God knows, then how did the serpent know what’s God knows?

 

[TheWind]

USING Judas and BEING Judas are 2 different things.

YOU said the serpent in Eden, which is universally understood to be Satan, could be God Himself.

THAT is pretty darn close to what Luciferians believe.

In corinthians Paul says that’s god uses the foolish things of the world to conform the wise. And the weak against the mighty...
he shows up as a lion .. an eagle, with womb and breaths... could he not USE a snake in a garden if he wanted to... and God is greater than his creation.. I never said God was the snake I just said God was using the snake for his purpose.. therefore injecting knowledge that’s ONLY God would know... so therefore. Was it just a snake? Or God himself? I guess the Holy Spirit would know the truth...


So your saying Hate Judas? Is that what you want me to say?? To believe that Judas role in the kingdom of God was less important than Jesus?
How else shall God be glorified in the body...
Maybe you need to go back and read Jacobs blessings to Israel... to know who Judah and Jesus really is...

 

[TheWind]

In corinthians Paul says that’s god uses the foolish things of the world to conform the wise. And the weak against the mighty...
he shows up as a lion .. an eagle, with womb and breaths... could he not USE a snake in a garden if he wanted to... and God is greater than his creation.. I never said God was the snake I just said God was using the snake for his purpose.. therefore injecting knowledge that’s ONLY God would know... so therefore. Was it just a snake? Or God himself? I guess the Holy Spirit would know the truth...


So your saying Hate Judas? Is that what you want me to say?? To believe that Judas role in the kingdom of God was less important than Jesus?
How else shall God be glorified in the body...
Maybe you need to go back and read Jacobs blessings to Israel... to know who Judah and Jesus really is...

It breaths.. breasts ** mistype

 

[TheWind]

USING Judas and BEING Judas are 2 different things.

YOU said the serpent in Eden, which is universally understood to be Satan, could be God Himself.

THAT is pretty darn close to what Luciferians believe.

I bet a snake is nothing to God really. Just another member of the creation.... HOWEVER.... the knowledge that men try to exalt .. is not their own knowledge.. therefore NO man can use Gods word against him... Isnt that why they killed Jesus PENN-ED...Because he took the Jews Belief and flipped the law against them... and what they thought was truth wasn’t the truth at all.....

 

[PennEd]

In corinthians Paul says that’s god uses the foolish things of the world to conform the wise. And the weak against the mighty...
he shows up as a lion .. an eagle, with womb and breaths... could he not USE a snake in a garden if he wanted to... and God is greater than his creation.. I never said God was the snake I just said God was using the snake for his purpose.. therefore injecting knowledge that’s ONLY God would know... so therefore. Was it just a snake? Or God himself? I guess the Holy Spirit would know the truth...


So your saying Hate Judas? Is that what you want me to say?? To believe that Judas role in the kingdom of God was less important than Jesus?
How else shall God be glorified in the body...
Maybe you need to go back and read Jacobs blessings to Israel... to know who Judah and Jesus really is...

The wheels are coming off on you.

You are spiraling downward before our very eyes. You just said Judas’ role was EQUAL to Jesus’!!

 

[TheWind]

The wheels are coming off on you.

You are spiraling downward before our very eyes. You just said Judas’ role was EQUAL to Jesus’!!

What a devil you are...To put words in my mouth... I said his role. his works.!! Where just as important ... And Jesus gave him the power to do it.... We all fall short of the glory of God... Jesus worshipped the Father.. not himself... it was the father working amongst them for a purpose. Jesus gets the Glory for what Judas did. But you ...take a whole paragraph of knowledge and try to twist ONE of my words... The devil is a liar.. you lie to yourself.

 

[TheWind]

What a devil you are...To put words in my mouth... I said his role. his works.!! Where just as important ... And Jesus gave him the power to do it.... We all fall short of the glory of God... Jesus worshipped the Father.. not himself... it was the father working amongst them for a purpose. Jesus gets the Glory for what Judas did. But you ...take a whole paragraph of knowledge and try to twist ONE of my words... The devil is a liar.. you lie to yourself.

Judas had no power until the Lord gave him such.. therefore Jesus gets the glory for his works too. Whether good or evil it was for the purpose of God... you don’t get to claim one vs the other... who do you think you are.. yet you haven’t answered One of my questions. Just trying to pick my words apart to see if you can find a flaw... sounds like religion to me. Are you Catholic??

 

[PennEd]

In corinthians Paul says that’s god uses the foolish things of the world to conform the wise. And the weak against the mighty...
he shows up as a lion .. an eagle, with womb and breaths... could he not USE a snake in a garden if he wanted to... and God is greater than his creation.. I never said God was the snake I just said God was using the snake for his purpose.. therefore injecting knowledge that’s ONLY God would know... so therefore. Was it just a snake? Or God himself? I guess the Holy Spirit would know the truth...


So your saying Hate Judas? Is that what you want me to say?? To believe that Judas role in the kingdom of God was less important than Jesus?
How else shall God be glorified in the body...
Maybe you need to go back and read Jacobs blessings to Israel... to know who Judah and Jesus really is...

So just to confirm, you are saying that the serpent that spoke to Eve in Eden could have been the God Himself? Here are YOUR words from YOUR website Rebekah:

"Maybe it was God the whole time.

And he just USED THE SNAKE AS A DISGUISE.

So he could see what men were doing,

By looking through his eyes."


So it was GOD who deceived Eve?

 

[TheWind]

The wheels are coming off on you.

You are spiraling downward before our very eyes. You just said Judas’ role was EQUAL to Jesus’!!

Please. For the sake of the thread. Answer my question about the snake...
I would like to know how the snake knew what God knew in the garden? Since you’re so smart and know all about what is evil and what is good...Could you please tell me how the snake knew what God knew, and was allowed to speak on behalf of God??

 

[PennEd]

What a devil you are...To put words in my mouth... I said his role. his works.!! Where just as important ... And Jesus gave him the power to do it.... We all fall short of the glory of God... Jesus worshipped the Father.. not himself... it was the father working amongst them for a purpose. Jesus gets the Glory for what Judas did. But you ...take a whole paragraph of knowledge and try to twist ONE of my words... The devil is a liar.. you lie to yourself.

What words Rebekah did I put in your mouth? Just to refresh your shoddy memory here is YOUR quote:

"To believe that Judas role in the kingdom of God was less important than Jesus?" by Rebekah Wyatt

 

[TheWind]

So just to confirm, you are saying that the serpent that spoke to Eve in Eden could have been the God Himself? Here are YOUR words from YOUR website Rebekah:

"Maybe it was God the whole time.

And he just USED THE SNAKE AS A DISGUISE.

So he could see what men were doing,

By looking through his eyes."


So it was GOD who deceived Eve?

I said he USED the snake!!!
How else would God get his Word to produce seed... At that point they were still an image without skin.. but the Earth was physical..
Is God not Wisdom, and Knowledge too?
How come God never asked the serpent for a confession.. if he did so wrongly??

 

[PennEd]

Please. For the sake of the thread. Answer my question about the snake...
I would like to know how the snake knew what God knew in the garden? Since you’re so smart and know all about what is evil and what is good...Could you please tell me how the snake knew what God knew, and was allowed to speak on behalf of God??

Satan DID NOT speak on behalf of God!

That's just the point. He twisted and altered God's Word. The same he does with us. Some more than others.

 

[Adstar]

I wonder: Have you died? That you would be able to speak so much about death?? And do you know how the wind carries Spirits to and fro? ...I don’t know about you... but I am living through Christ, as being in Him....Not separate from him... (from the foundation of the world... not from physical birth)
And Just because you understand death to be physical. What about death to sin? God did not intend death, but life.... Why do you defend death, as if it still exists? ... If you live in the world, and not by the spirit... then You would know a lot about death. Because sin is death... I am in life.. a new creation.. no need to preach about death to me. The Word is living, not dead. How do you know someday the flesh of men won’t live forever... are you are Lord and savior to claim such a thing... just because we always understood death to be in the flesh.. doesn’t mean it was supposed to be that way in the foundation.. God is God. If he wants an old man to live to be 969 years old.. he can.. if he wants a woman to have a baby at almost a hundred years old...he can.. if he wants a woman to birth a child without knowing a man. Immaculately....He can!! If God said men will have everlasting life... He meant it!
Are you questioning Gods words? Or do you know more than what I think?


I ask you then;
Was Judas chosen? For death or for life? For Good or for evil?

I don't need to die to know what death is.. I have faith in what is Revealed in the Bible.. The Bible tells me that everyone will exist forever.. Either with God in His perfect eternal existence or with satan in the lake of fire..

Jesus is with me. In the form of the Holy Spirit..

Death as in physical death is an observable fact.. People die.. So i do not need to ""defend"" it.. Because death simply is and it needs no defending..

Sin is not death.. Sin lead to death coming into existence.. We all sin, our faulty flesh is corrupt and thus we sin.. But throught the Atonement of God we will have eternal life and will have victory over what is called the Second death which is eternity in the Lake of Fire.. We shall have new perfect bodies and we shall live forever and ever.. We shall not exists as purely spirits in Eternity.. But will have physical bodies living in the New Jerusalem..

How do you know someday the flesh of men won’t live forever.. are you are Lord and savior to claim such a thing,,,

I claim it because i believe the report of the Holy Bible on the matter..Our current flesh which is sabotarged with sin and corruption MUST die, so that our spirits can move on and adopt our New perfect and sinless Eternal bodies.. This is what the Bible tells me..

1 Corinthians 15: KJV
50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. {51} Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, {52} In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. {53} For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. {54} So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. {55} O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? {56} The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. {57} But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

just because we always understood death to be in the flesh.. doesn’t mean it was supposed to be that way in the foundation..

I have not said it was supposed to be.. But it became that way because of the rebellion of Eve and Adam in the garden of Eden.. God decided the way things are and the way things will be..

If God said men will have everlasting life... He meant it!
Are you questioning Gods words? Or do you know more than what I think?

I believe God when He said we shall have eternal life.... But AFTER our current corrupted life on this flesh has died and we are given New Perfect bodies that will be eternal..

 

[TheWind]

What words Rebekah did I put in your mouth? Just to refresh your shoddy memory here is YOUR quote:

"To believe that Judas role in the kingdom of God was less important than Jesus?" by Rebekah Wyatt

Without Judas, would Jesus have been lifted into his glory?
Why are you trying to separate the two? They worked together for the good of the Lord. Whether in faith or in ignorance. The Lord used them both to Glorify his name... why are you trying to slander me? Call me shoddy? Etc. and you are a senior member of the Christian chat?? Do you go around calling everyone Luciferian who don’t believe or agree with your analogies?